A second Iraqi former commander confirms WMDs

[rushmc 23]

The Evidence Mounts......

I await the explination of these lies..........

http://www.americanthinker.com/comments.php?comments_id=4465

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Tapes: Saddam Had Secret Uranium Enrichment Program
Kenneth R. Timmerman
Thursday, Feb. 16, 2006
In the year 2000, two years after Iraq expelled U.N. arms inspectors, two Iraqi scientists paid a discreet visit to Saddam Hussein in his presidential palace.

They had come to brief the Iraqi dictator on their progress in enriching uranium using plasma separation. If successful, their efforts could have given Saddam the fissile material he was seeking to make a bomb.

"You can tell that one of the scientists is nervous on the tape," former FBI translator Bill Tierney told NewsMax. "He is telling Saddam of all these wonderful things they can do with the plasma process, which they initially developed in the 1980s for the nuclear weapons program.

The scientist tried to convince Saddam to change course and use the technology for purely peaceful purpose, but the Iraqi dictator just listened politely. "You can imagine him nodding his head as you listen to the tape," Tierney said.

Tierney believes the tapes will vindicate the pre-war analysis of Iraqi WMD programs. "If anything, after translating 12 hours of these tapes, I believe the U.S. intelligence analysis didn't go far enough," he told NewsMax.

Tierney worked with U.N. arms inspectors in Iraq in the late 1990s, and experienced Iraq's "cheat and retreat" efforts first hand. He will release the original Arabic tapes and English language translations Saturday at the Intelligence Summit, a privately-funded conference in Arlington, Va. As non-U.S.-origin materials, they are not classified.

The plasma enrichment program was so well-protected by the Iraqi regime that U.N. arms inspectors had never discovered it. "This not only shows the capabilities the Iraqis had, but also the weakness of international arms inspection," Tierney believes. "Arms inspection regimes just don't work."

The plasma process got a brief mention in the 2004 final report of CIA arms inspector Charles Duelfer, but only as a legacy program the Iraqis had abandoned in the late 1980s.

Saddam's secret presidential palace tapes are the first concrete evidence that Iraq continued clandestine uranium enrichment work all through the 1990s, right under the noses of U.N. inspectors.

Nothing was too small to capture the Saddam's attention, says Tierney, "He had a special librarian in charge of taping all of his meetings and keeping track of them, so Saddam could ask him who he talked to about a particular subject three months earlier and find that particular tape."

U.S. intelligence stumbled on 12 hours worth of tapes that they asked him to translate, but Tierney believes thousands of hours of Saddam's secret audio archive were seized during the liberation of Iraq and could become available soon.

Tierney first went to Iraq in the late 1990s to hunt down Iraqi weapons with the U.N. Special Commission (UNSCOM). "I knew Saddam was never going to give up his weapons programs," he told NewsMax.

Former colleagues with whom he shared the tapes told him that his suspicions just barely scratched the surface. "They found things in these tapes I had explained in a more benign manner," Tierney said.

Highlights from the tapes were played Wednesday night on ABC Nightline. The chairman of the House Permanent Select Intelligence Committee, Pete Hoekstra, has listened to some of the tapes and declared them "authentic."

In one key exchange in April or May 1995, Saddam's son-in-law, Hussein Kamil al-Majid, briefs the Iraqi dictator and his top advisors on his success at concealing Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs from UN inspectors.

"We did not reveal all that we have ... [T]hey don't know about our work in the domain of missiles. Sir, this is my work and I know it very well. I started it a long time ago, and it is not easy," he said.

None of the information Iraq had provided the UNSCOM inspectors was accurate or complete, Hussein Kamil told Saddam. "Not the type of the weapons, not the volume of the materials we imported, not the volume of the production we told them about, not the volume of use. None of this was correct. They don't know any of this," he said.

Other documents Tierney plans to release include a 1993 assessment by Iraqi intelligence of foreign terrorist groups who could attack America on Iraq's behalf, without the United States ever realizing who was sponsoring them.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rasmack 0]

I just wonder why he's "former". Would be nice to hear this from the FBI instead of a former FBI employee.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[rushmc 23]

And from ABC

http://abcnews.go.com/Nightline/Investigation/story?id=1623307&page=1

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rasmack 0]

Same tapes. Same source. Why aren't the CIA/FBI all over this like ants on a picnic table?

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

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Same tapes. Same source. Why aren't the CIA/FBI all over this like ants on a picnic table?

Perhaps for the same reasons they aren't all over "Able Danger"?

[rushmc 23]

Not sure. A couple of news orgs have requested more tapes and docs under the Freedome of Information Act. They are saying that there is more evidence saying the same. These are unclassified tapes/docs taken during the attacks.

Current esitmates is that less than 1% have been translated.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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They had come to brief the Iraqi dictator on their progress in enriching uranium using plasma separation. If successful, their efforts could have given Saddam the fissile material he was seeking to make a bomb.
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The plasma enrichment program was so well-protected by the Iraqi regime that U.N. arms inspectors had never discovered it.

Harmless - Enrighed plutonium is obviously needed to provide high density shielding and structurally sound walls for child day care centers. it's needed to protect from western random bombing runs.

I wish the radical right wing would stop trying to find these tidbits. It's pathetic how they'll take something this innocuous and try to make hay with it. They should just take their oil and go home.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

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Current esitmates is that less than 1% have been translated.

That's not a lot. I bet that work is boring as hell too...

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[rushmc 23]

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They had come to brief the Iraqi dictator on their progress in enriching uranium using plasma separation. If successful, their efforts could have given Saddam the fissile material he was seeking to make a bomb.
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The plasma enrichment program was so well-protected by the Iraqi regime that U.N. arms inspectors had never discovered it.

Harmless - Enrighed plutonium is obviously needed to provide high density shielding and structurally sound walls for child day care centers. it's needed to protect from western random bombing runs.

I wish the radical right wing would stop trying to find these tidbits. It's pathetic how they'll take something this innocuous and try to make hay with it. They should just take their oil and go home.

Ah yes.....the "radical right"...

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rasmack 0]

It's called sarcasm.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

[rushmc 23]

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It's called sarcasm.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JohnRich 4]

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The Evidence Mounts...

The press is too busy worrying about really important things, like Cheny's hunting accident, to get all excited about things like weapons of mass destruction that Saddam secretly shipped to Syria, and threats of biochemical terrorism on Washington, D.C.

You gotta get your priorities straight.

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It's called sarcasm.

i don't know what you guys are talking about. If you don't think day care centers deserve extremely dense shielding from attacks (even if it is slightly radioactive), then I don't know what else to say.

GOOD DAY, sirs

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[rushmc 23]

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The Evidence Mounts...

The press is too busy worrying about really important things, like Cheny's hunting accident, to get all excited about things like weapons of mass destruction that Saddam secretly shipped to Syria, and threats of biochemical terrorism on Washington, D.C.

You gotta get your priorities straight.

Ah, you didn't have to go and say thay...........did you?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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The Evidence Mounts...

The press is too busy worrying about really important things, like Cheny's hunting accident, to get all excited about things like weapons of mass destruction that Saddam secretly shipped to Syria, and threats of biochemical terrorism on Washington, D.C.

You gotta get your priorities straight.

There's so much truth to what you said. What a joke. Should be used to it all by now but it still pisses me off. I'll bet most of them were crying when they heard that there wouldn't be any charges filed. I'm sure they were prepped and ready to pounce.

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Too early to know if this information is true. In fact, I suspect that even if it turns out to be correct, it will never be made public because of the permanent and devestating damage it would do to the Democratic Party. The Dems have bet all credibility on the "No WMD's" mantra and to have it turn out their were WMD's could very well be the final blow that changes the face of the Dems forever.

Oh, and for all the conspiracy theorists out there: Bush had all this planned. It's why he never bothered to choose another VP who could run in 2008. He just wants to wait a little bit longer until we are closer to the 2008 elections for this bombshell to explode. Muhahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

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If the conversations were obtained without the consent of a court order, then they should not be allowed into the court of public opinion!

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[rushmc 23]

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Too early to know if this information is true. In fact, I suspect that even if it turns out to be correct, it will never be made public because of the permanent and devestating damage it would do to the Democratic Party. The Dems have bet all credibility on the "No WMD's" mantra and to have it turn out their were WMD's could very well be the final blow that changes the face of the Dems forever.

Oh, and for all the conspiracy theorists out there: Bush had all this planned. It's why he never bothered to choose another VP who could run in 2008. He just wants to wait a little bit longer until we are closer to the 2008 elections for this bombshell to explode. Muhahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!!!

Might be big enough that even the Dems can't keep it quite. Heck, ABC ran part of the tapes this week! (but I think they paid more attention to the things SH said abuot attacks NOT coming from Iraq) But the rest seemed to over shadow those statements.

In any event, it will be interesting (if not fun) to watch!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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If the conversations were obtained without the consent of a court order, then they should not be allowed into the court of public opinion!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Too early to know if this information is true. In fact, I suspect that even if it turns out to be correct, it will never be made public because of the permanent and devestating damage it would do to the Democratic Party. The Dems have bet all credibility on the "No WMD's" mantra and to have it turn out their were WMD's could very well be the final blow that changes the face of the Dems forever.

It has already made public news. I have to congratulate ABC news for running the story. CNN, however, has nothing about it. I searched for it on their site using several different terms with no success.

Maybe Nancy Pelosi will get her eyebrows lowered when she has to admit she was wrong.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Too early to know if this information is true. In fact, I suspect that even if it turns out to be correct, it will never be made public because of the permanent and devestating damage it would do to the Democratic Party. The Dems have bet all credibility on the "No WMD's" mantra and to have it turn out their were WMD's could very well be the final blow that changes the face of the Dems forever.

It has already made public news. I have to congratulate ABC news for running the story. CNN, however, has nothing about it. I searched for it on their site using several different terms with no success.

Maybe Nancy Pelosi will get her eyebrows lowered when she has to admit she was wrong.

I haven't read, so far that there is any "smoking gun" evidence on the tapes, just that SH is having discussions about WMDs. Even so, what has ben discussed so far can be explained away as minions lying to SH because they wanted him to think Iraq had them.

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I haven't read, so far that there is any "smoking gun" evidence on the tapes, just that SH is having discussions about WMDs. Even so, what has ben discussed so far can be explained away as minions lying to SH because they wanted him to think Iraq had them.

Now, that sounds very sensible. I know if I were working under SH, I might be inclined to tell him what he wants to hear.

I have an aversion to being shot.




Of course, it blows up when you are sitting there one morning, drinking your coffee and SH saunters over and says, "Hey, can I get one of those bio missles you have been working on? I got some rural towns I want to obliterate." AWKWARD.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[sundevil777 102]

Dems might try to minimize the importance of this by saying that it doesn't prove he had WMDs at the time of the invasion. The tapes might not disprove that exact point. From the ABC story:

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Charles Duelfer, who led the official U.S. search for weapons of mass destruction after the war, says the tapes show extensive deception but don't prove that weapons were still hidden in Iraq at the time of the U.S.-led war in 2003. "What they do is support the conclusion in the report, which we made in the last couple of years, that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted."

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

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Dems might try to minimize the importance of this by saying that it doesn't prove he had WMDs at the time of the invasion. The tapes might not disprove that exact point. From the ABC story:

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Charles Duelfer, who led the official U.S. search for weapons of mass destruction after the war, says the tapes show extensive deception but don't prove that weapons were still hidden in Iraq at the time of the U.S.-led war in 2003. "What they do is support the conclusion in the report, which we made in the last couple of years, that the regime had the intention of building and rebuilding weapons of mass destruction, when circumstances permitted."

I don't disagree with you. I just think at this point anything less than digging in the desert in Iraq and uncovering huge stockpiles of a nerve agent or bio weapons and proving they were there before the invasion, won't change public or world opinion.

[rushmc 23]

And ABC doesn't have and agenda

Friday, Feb. 17, 2006 12:51 p.m. EST
Saddam Translator: ABC Reinterpreted Tapes


The FBI translator who supplied the 12 hours of Saddam Hussein audiotapes excerpted by ABC's "Nightline" Wednesday night now says the network discarded his translations and went with a less threatening version of the Iraqi dictator's comments.

"What you heard on ABC News was their translation," former U.N. weapons inspector Bill Tierney told ABC Radio's Sean Hannity on Thursday.

"They came up with something different on a key element regarding terrorism in the United States," Tierney insisted.

In the "Nightline" version of the 1996 recording, Saddam predicts that Washington, D.C., would be hit by terrorists. But he adds that Iraq would have nothing to do with the attack.

Tierney says, however, that what Saddam actually said was much more sinister. "He was discussing his intent to use chemical weapons against the United States and use proxies so it could not be traced back to Iraq," he told Hannity.

In a passage not used by "Nightline," Tierney says Saddam declares: "Terrorism is coming. ... In the future there will be terrorism with weapons of mass destruction. What if we consider this technique, with smuggling?"

Tierney's full translations are set for release this weekend by The Intelligence Group in Washington, D.C.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln