GTAVercetti 0 #26 February 17, 2006 QuoteQuote Ding ding ding! You're a winner. These are old photos, that are just now being published. And they're trying to make it sound like it's new abuses that have been uncovered. No. Wrong. Unlike you, I actually saw the ABC piece (& smh article) that this thread is about and they repeatedly stressed that these were not new pictures or new events. The focus of the piece was that the DoD still refuses to acknowledge or admit the extent of the violence/torture and that there is a systemic problem here (ie not just two "bad apple" soldiers,) that still hasn't been addressed. That is nice, but there is really no point in expressing this. Many people do not want to hear it. I repeat. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brierebecca 0 #27 February 17, 2006 Quote"Today, on the United Nations International Day in Support of Victims of Torture, the United States declares its strong solidarity with torture victims across the world. Torture anywhere is an affront to human dignity everywhere. We are committed to building a world where human rights are respected and protected by the rule of law. You know, it was really funny reading Alberto Gonzalez's memo defining torture as "the infliction of permanent physical harm." Apparently, anything less is, to the Bush administration, not torture. Interestingly, the Geneva Convention defines it differently: "Any act by which severe pain or suffering, whether physical or mental, is intentionally inflicted on a person for such purposes as obtaining from him or a third person information or a confession, punishing him for an act he or a third person has committed or is suspected of having committed, or intimidating or coercing him or a third person, or for any reason based on discrimination of any kind, when such pain or suffering is inflicted by or at the instigation of or with the consent or acquiescence of a public official or other person acting in an official capacity. It does not include pain or suffering arising only from, inherent in or incidental to lawful sanctions." Brie"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
brierebecca 0 #28 February 17, 2006 QuoteThe focus of the piece was that the DoD still refuses to acknowledge or admit the extent of the violence/torture and that there is a systemic problem here (ie not just two "bad apple" soldiers,) that still hasn't been addressed. I thought there was an identifiable FBI officer in the photo....could be wrong, but that would indicate that it wasn't the fault of one or two low-level infantry guys. Brie"Ive seen you hump air, hump the floor of the plane, and hump legs. You now have a new nickname: "Black Humper of Death"--yardhippie Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #29 February 17, 2006 QuoteQuoteThe focus of the piece was that the DoD still refuses to acknowledge or admit the extent of the violence/torture and that there is a systemic problem here (ie not just two "bad apple" soldiers,) that still hasn't been addressed. I thought there was an identifiable FBI officer in the photo....could be wrong, but that would indicate that it wasn't the fault of one or two low-level infantry guys. Brie It is absurd to suggest that knowledge of this was confined to a handful of enlisted men and women. If the officers didn't know, they were derelict, and if they did know they were culpable. Either way, it stinks of cover-up. The enlisteds have been made scapegoats.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
