Sheriff: Officers Must Have Sex With Prostitutes For Evidence

[Darius11 12]

http://www.clickondetroit.com/news/7043931/detail.html

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SPOTSYLVANIA, Va. -- Undercover sex is getting the OK from a Virginia sheriff.

Spotsylvania County Sheriff Howard Smith said he stands by the practice of allowing detectives to receive sexual services in the course of their investigations so they can catch suspects in the act.

Court documents show that four times last month, county detectives allowed women at a massage parlor to perform sex acts on them. In one case, a lawman left a $350 tip. Smith acknowledged the practice is not new.

Smith told The Washington Post that only unmarried detectives are allowed to do the under-the-covers work.

He said actual sex acts are needed to help win prostitution convictions.

"If I thought we could get the conviction without that, we wouldn't allow it," Smith told the newspaper. "If you want to make them, this has to be done."

He said most prostitutes are careful not to say anything incriminating, which makes sexual contact necessary

Several police officials and legal observers say the practice has been tried by other agencies across the country, but they knew of none that still permit sexual contact with suspects as part of prostitution investigations. But many police agencies across the country have banned sexual contact between investigators and suspects.

When police used similar tactics in the past in Montgomery County, Md., the charges ended up being dropped.

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[jjiimmyyt 0]

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2.Isn't that entrapment?

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Isn't that entrapment?

The short answer (US law) is no.
Entrapment is actively overcoming a person's inclination to remain law-abiding to lure him into committing a crime which he otherwise had no inclination to commit. The bar is set very high on entrapment; as a practical matter, it's a pretty difficult defense to prove. If a suspect is already inclined to commit an act of prostitution, and an undercover officer simply offers him/herself as a customer, it's not entrapment. Most prostitution arrests and convictions are done this way.

[lawrocket 3]

Well, it sounds to me like the police officers need to be charged with crimes. I don't think there is anything in these statutes that let police do it without trouble.

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[akarunway 1]

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Well, it sounds to me like the police officers need to be charged with crimes. I don't think there is anything in these statutes that let police do it without trouble.

Read that this morn. I concur. Thought the cops couldn't actually have sex w/ the ho___________________________________________________________

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[rehmwa 2]

So they can write off the expense as business deduction on their taxes?

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[kelpdiver 2]

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Well, it sounds to me like the police officers need to be charged with crimes. I don't think there is anything in these statutes that let police do it without trouble.

how is it any different from an undercover officer making a drug purchase?

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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how is it any different from an undercover officer making a drug purchase?

Cause he isn't using the drug....if he buys the sex, but stops short of using it, that would be the same.

[lawrocket 3]

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Well, it sounds to me like the police officers need to be charged with crimes. I don't think there is anything in these statutes that let police do it without trouble.

how is it any different from an undercover officer making a drug purchase?

A lot of statutes are written to allow protection for law enforcement. But some are not. For example, many years ago, the cops uilized some kids to go purchase alcohol. They busted the store owners, but it was raised that the statute did not allow protection, and therefore the kids were charged with minor in possession, and the police involved were charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor.

I don't think that the legislatures are likely to put into law an exception that allows the cops to get blowjobs. Too much political trouble.

Still, I say prostitution should be legal, but pimping should not be.

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[MC208B 0]

Aren't "johns" arrested in prostitution stings?

This is a crock of shit.

Of course, I believe that all "victimless" crimes shouldn't be crimes in the first place

[Andy9o8 2]

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Aren't "johns" arrested in prostitution stings?

Sure they are. Happens all the time.

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Of course, I believe that all "victimless" crimes shouldn't be crimes in the first place

I used to get into huge debates about this in college, taking the same side, that prostitution is a victimless crime, and victimless crimes should be decriminalized. But it was pointed out to me that it's not seen as victimless to the people who make their homes and businesses in areas overrun by prostitution activity and all the skank that goes along with it. I still think that most morals crimes and many drug offenses should be decriminalized and regulated (the way some Northern European countries deal with it), but it is food for thought.

[dropoutdave 0]

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So they can write off the expense as business deduction on their taxes?

Haha, I can just imagine them asking for a receipt.

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[unformed 0]

I think it should be legalized and regulated. Remove the organized crime element from the business.

There will always still be a dark underbelly to the operation. It will never be a truly victimless crime.. If you look at the history of Amsterdam's Red Light District, many of those girls are not there willingly. Many are Russian/Eastern European who came in with high hopes, got stuck into debt, and are "owned" by their debtors.

This also happens in the States, but not quite as blatantly.

Regardless, since their will always be a market for it: personally, I think the government should legalize, regulate, and tax.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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There will always still be a dark underbelly to the operation. It will never be a truly victimless crime.. If you look at the history of Amsterdam's Red Light District, many of those girls are not there willingly. Many are Russian/Eastern European who came in with high hopes, got stuck into debt, and are "owned" by their debtors.

This also happens in the States, but not quite as blatantly.

It can just be as blatant - lots of issues in California (that I know of) with girls being brought into the country illegally, and put right to work. They can't really seek help from the authorities, as they'll quickly be deported.

[MC208B 0]

I wonder if the cops got a "happy ending"?

Unless that state has no laws against the "johns" those cops are friggin criminals now!

[happythoughts 0]

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But it was pointed out to me that it's not seen as victimless to the people who make their homes and businesses in areas overrun by prostitution activity and all the skank that goes along with it.

Interesting. People complain that prostitution brings along a criminal element. If it wasn't against the law, would it ?

"We've made this against the law and now there are criminals doing it..."

[tbrown 26]

He said actual sex acts are needed to help win prostitution convictions.

[rasmack 0]

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Interesting. People complain that prostitution brings along a criminal element. If it wasn't against the law, would it ?

Prostitution is not illegal in Denmark and probably a lot of the girls are "happy hookers". There is, however, one big problem: trafficking. Many girls are "imported" from eastern Europe or Asia on the promise of a job in a bar or something similar. The second they set foot on Danish soil they are bereft of their passport and put to work. When they are found out as working in Denmark, they are kicked out by the police as poor as when they got here.

Of course I see that this is more a problem with pimiping than with prostitution as such, but it seems that prostitution does "bring along a criminal element". In general, though, I am mostly of the opinion that it is a social problem and not a criminal one.

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[unformed 0]

I was thinking of a way to get around the criminal element ... and actually, I think Costa Rica has pulled it off, but there is a downside.

If I remember correctly, prostitution is legal, but pimping is not. The girls have to work independently but they also have to carry a registration and a health card.

The downisde, however, is that it puts hookers everywhere. Besides the surfing and the nature visitors, Costa Rica also has a massive sex tourism business. Any touristy bar (Hotel del Ray, Beatle Bar, etc) will be jam packed with hookers, but they work independently and of their own free will. I had been talking to one who said she did this once a month to help pay for her rent. (Granted, I don't know if that's true or not.)

However, overall, with their system, it took out most of the negative side effects of strict legalization...

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[skycop 0]

I guess it depends on the looks and hygene of the suspects to volunteer for this detail. Judging from the prostitutes I've seen, this would truly be "taking one for the team".
Then again, if these are high priced call girls, and I wasn't married, hmmmm.....................

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[Andy9o8 2]

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Then again, if these are high priced call girls, and I wasn't married, hmmmm.....................

....then you'd still probably be at enhanced risk of contracting a venereal disease or HIV.
No, thanks.

[unformed 0]

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Then again, if these are high priced call girls, and I wasn't married, hmmmm.....................

....then you'd still probably be at enhanced risk of contracting a venereal disease or HIV.
No, thanks.

That's why Mr. Trojan invented Trojans.

(he wanted to safely bang hookers)

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[skycop 0]

Uh ya..................
I said hmmmm..................not yes.................

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[EricTheRed 0]

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My thoughts exactly. Seems like a good perk to me!

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