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that is the same as saying if we sell toothpaste soap and deoderant to the french they won't be smelly and rude?
QuoteNot gonna get a NYT login just to read the story, sorry....
hmmm, I did not have to log in, but you should use Firefox with this extension:
http://www.roachfiend.com
It has a database with user names and passwords that are used to fill in sites where they want you to create a username and password...so you don't have to deal with that crap.
Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.
craddock 0
Based on an article from the NY Times? This is not any sort of factual study. Proves what?
In fact-the stats are about murder and violent crime, NONE of them are about Gun Crime! Most references to guns are from noctorious Liberal anti-gun folks. I lived in Milwaukee long enough to laugh at Chief Hegerty's comments. I recognize a few other names from various anti-gun propaganda I've read. All this written by Kate Zeranti following the anti-gun editorial policy of the New York Times.
With NO stats about gun crime!
While you seem to be sincere, my apologies if this is a Troll and I got hooked. If it is not, then I am clearly missing something here?
Or you are.
In fact-the stats are about murder and violent crime, NONE of them are about Gun Crime! Most references to guns are from noctorious Liberal anti-gun folks. I lived in Milwaukee long enough to laugh at Chief Hegerty's comments. I recognize a few other names from various anti-gun propaganda I've read. All this written by Kate Zeranti following the anti-gun editorial policy of the New York Times.
With NO stats about gun crime!
While you seem to be sincere, my apologies if this is a Troll and I got hooked. If it is not, then I am clearly missing something here?
Or you are.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.
micro 0
TK, I would suggest reading a very well researched book that directly and eruditely contradicts your incorrect thesis by Professor John Lott...
More Guns LESS Crime.
I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...
More Guns LESS Crime.
I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...
Quote'Why' does not actually matter - my older points were - more guns, more dead people, pretty simple.
No handguns, and then no one could get killed by a handgun.
Your thesis here is so simplistic as to qualify for the term "puerile." (Childishly simplistic -- very nearly stupid.)
QuoteYes everyone has the right to defend themselves, but the more guns that are out there, then the more chances of 'innocent' people getting killed over measly disputes.
How does this theory square with the fact that in many places around the U.S., gun ownership has gone up, gun carry permits have gone up, and murder rates have gone down? (This is statistically true in many cities and states over the last decade or so, maybe more.)
If your theory is valid, there should not be a decrease in murder rates EVER as long as there is no decrease in gun ownership. And I doubt there has EVER been a year in which gun ownership has gone down against the prior year.
QuoteSo carry your gun and feel good that people are shooting each other over petty things. My solution is less guns - what's yours?
Do YOU feel that if YOU had a gun, YOU would shoot people "over petty things"? Or do you believe you are a good enough person to have self control and not be a violent criminal?
Because if you think YOU are trustworthy enough to not feel compelled to kill people just because you had a gun, perhaps I am just as trustworthy and you should not worry that MY having a gun is going to increase the murder rate.
And even if YOU don't think YOU'RE trustworthy enough to have a gun, that has no bearing on whether I know I am.
To believe your theory, we'd have to believe that guns make people murder others, and that's just absurd.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
QuoteTK, I would suggest reading a very well researched book that directly and eruditely contradicts your incorrect thesis by Professor John Lott...
More Guns LESS Crime.
Don't hold your breath.
Most anti-gunners refuse to avail themselves of any kind of information that (they know) threatens their puerile anti-gun dogma. Some part of them knows that their position is illogical, and so they guard against having to face facts.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
ROK 0
TK-
I understand your point of less guns, therefore less gun related deaths, but in my opinion the entire gun debate is a very thin, very manufactured veneer covering the essence of violent crime in America.
I'm 42 years old. I was raised with guns in the house, guns in the car, and everyone I knew had guns. We played cowboys and indians, good guys and bad guys, and childish war games. We never thought of using real guns, real guns were just another tool. As a lot of kids do, we had fights, we had gangs, and we had contempt for those that were different than we were. What we didn't have was a thought or desire to get the family gun and shoot each other, or "pop a cap" in their asses.
My son is 21 years old. He grew up with violent video games, violent movies, violent bands, and an increasingly liberal population voicing their disapproval of violence and everything that can be called a "tool" of that violence. Oh but wait! We can't question any of these things because there is a little thing called "freedom of speech".
When the fuck is everyone going to wake up and realize that our youth are being brainwashed to do the very things that we fear, and they're being brainwashed (raised) right in front of us, with our approval.
The really sad part is that we LIKE it. The violence and in your face freedoms turn us on just as much as it does our children.
We'd probably see crime rates drop quicker if they confiscated our TV sets...
I understand your point of less guns, therefore less gun related deaths, but in my opinion the entire gun debate is a very thin, very manufactured veneer covering the essence of violent crime in America.
I'm 42 years old. I was raised with guns in the house, guns in the car, and everyone I knew had guns. We played cowboys and indians, good guys and bad guys, and childish war games. We never thought of using real guns, real guns were just another tool. As a lot of kids do, we had fights, we had gangs, and we had contempt for those that were different than we were. What we didn't have was a thought or desire to get the family gun and shoot each other, or "pop a cap" in their asses.
My son is 21 years old. He grew up with violent video games, violent movies, violent bands, and an increasingly liberal population voicing their disapproval of violence and everything that can be called a "tool" of that violence. Oh but wait! We can't question any of these things because there is a little thing called "freedom of speech".
When the fuck is everyone going to wake up and realize that our youth are being brainwashed to do the very things that we fear, and they're being brainwashed (raised) right in front of us, with our approval.
The really sad part is that we LIKE it. The violence and in your face freedoms turn us on just as much as it does our children.
We'd probably see crime rates drop quicker if they confiscated our TV sets...
SkyDekker 1,465
QuoteIf we use your argument then there are no gun crimes in Japan or the UK?
no, there would be significantly fewer. Which I think you will find is the case.
QuoteTK, I would suggest reading a very well researched book that directly and eruditely contradicts your incorrect thesis by Professor John Lott...
More Guns LESS Crime.
Yes please do read john lott's book
It's nice the brady campaign uses it to state their opinion but a shame the brainwashed anti gunners won't read it and see it contradicts what the Brady campaign says!!!!
mnealtx 0
QuoteQuoteIf we use your argument then there are no gun crimes in Japan or the UK?
no, there would be significantly fewer. Which I think you will find is the case.
Different cultures have different crime levels - apples and oranges.
If you want to make a truly valid comparison in that vein, you would have to compare two different places within the U.S. - one with draconian gun control laws and one with very relaxed gun control laws. Normalize to an appropriate level (per 10k, perhaps?) and see what you get.
Mike
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POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
Three Auctions to Highlight
NRA Annual Meetings in Milwaukee
Three major auctions offering an unprecedented mix of guided hunts, quality firearms, fishing trips and other items will be held at NRA's 135th Annual Meetings, May 19-21 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
The NRA Foundation National Banquet and Auction will be held Thursday evening, May 18, at the Midwest Airlines Center. Tickets are $60 per person and tables of 10 are available for $600. A ticket to the event includes a four-star, three-course dinner, unlimited non-alcoholic drinks, over 100 silent auction items, over 40 live auction items, fun games, special drawings, and guest speakers including NRA leaders.
Some of the items available to attendees include:
Springfield 1911, PX9152 Black Stainless, .45 ACP, 5-inch barrel
Four-day whitetail deer hunt
Winchester Model 94 Trapper .30-30 Golden Stallion Ltd. Ed. 201/3000 -- donated by Former NRA President Marion P. Hammer
Spiral Horn Hunt of the Eastern Cape and Free State Provinces of South Africa
Bushmaster Stainless Varmint Special
Vanguard Synthetic .300 WBY, 24-inch barrel
Seven-day hunt at Bergzicht Game Lodge (Namibia)
Custom Remington 700 Rifle
One thousand tickets are available; however, tickets for last year's auction sold out. Interested attendees are encouraged to pre-purchase tickets.
On Friday, May 19, visitors can attend the 2nd Annual Sportsmen's Luncheon and Auction. Sponsored by the Brunton Company of Riverton, Wyoming, the event begins at 11:00 a.m. at the Midwest Airlines Center with a social hour hosted by NRA's Free Hunters and Shooting Sports USA magazines. Tickets are $35 per person and include raffles, a three-course lunch, a silent auction and a live auction. A few examples of the enticing items up for bid:
B. Searcy & Company 470 N.E. Classic Rifle
Sabre Defense Xr15a3 Bench Rest Target Deluxe Rifle
High Standard Camp Perry Competition .45 ACP with engraving
Two-day Michigan coyote hunt for two hunters
One-year, 40-bird Corporate Membership, Wern Valley (Wisconsin) Sportsmen's Club
Century Arms Model GP 1975 Rifle
North Carolina offshore fishing trip for six
Three-day deer hunt in Wyoming
Seven-day hunt plus three-day tour of South Africa
Fort Knox Protector 6031 with black gloss finish and NRA logo
The Ladies' Luncheon and Auction, scheduled for May 19 at 11:00 a.m. in the Empire Room of the Hilton Milwaukee City Center, has already been announced. Full details may be found online at www.nra.org/Article.aspx?id=4774. This event is for women only and tickets are $35 per person.
Thorough descriptions of all the auction items at each event may be found at www.nraam.org.
To purchase tickets for any of the events, or for more information, call (800) 672-3888 x1369, or log onto www.nraam.org.
All proceeds from the auctions are to directly benefit the NRA Foundation in supporting their mission: To promote firearms and hunting safety, to enhance marksmanship skills of those participating in the shooting sports, and to educate the general public about firearms in their historic, technological and artistic context. Funds granted by the NRA Foundation benefit a variety of constituencies throughout the United States including children, youth, women, individuals with physical disabilities, gun collectors, law enforcement officers and hunters. Visit www.nrafoundation.org to learn more.
NRA Annual Meetings in Milwaukee
Three major auctions offering an unprecedented mix of guided hunts, quality firearms, fishing trips and other items will be held at NRA's 135th Annual Meetings, May 19-21 in Milwaukee, Wisconsin.
The NRA Foundation National Banquet and Auction will be held Thursday evening, May 18, at the Midwest Airlines Center. Tickets are $60 per person and tables of 10 are available for $600. A ticket to the event includes a four-star, three-course dinner, unlimited non-alcoholic drinks, over 100 silent auction items, over 40 live auction items, fun games, special drawings, and guest speakers including NRA leaders.
Some of the items available to attendees include:
Springfield 1911, PX9152 Black Stainless, .45 ACP, 5-inch barrel
Four-day whitetail deer hunt
Winchester Model 94 Trapper .30-30 Golden Stallion Ltd. Ed. 201/3000 -- donated by Former NRA President Marion P. Hammer
Spiral Horn Hunt of the Eastern Cape and Free State Provinces of South Africa
Bushmaster Stainless Varmint Special
Vanguard Synthetic .300 WBY, 24-inch barrel
Seven-day hunt at Bergzicht Game Lodge (Namibia)
Custom Remington 700 Rifle
One thousand tickets are available; however, tickets for last year's auction sold out. Interested attendees are encouraged to pre-purchase tickets.
On Friday, May 19, visitors can attend the 2nd Annual Sportsmen's Luncheon and Auction. Sponsored by the Brunton Company of Riverton, Wyoming, the event begins at 11:00 a.m. at the Midwest Airlines Center with a social hour hosted by NRA's Free Hunters and Shooting Sports USA magazines. Tickets are $35 per person and include raffles, a three-course lunch, a silent auction and a live auction. A few examples of the enticing items up for bid:
B. Searcy & Company 470 N.E. Classic Rifle
Sabre Defense Xr15a3 Bench Rest Target Deluxe Rifle
High Standard Camp Perry Competition .45 ACP with engraving
Two-day Michigan coyote hunt for two hunters
One-year, 40-bird Corporate Membership, Wern Valley (Wisconsin) Sportsmen's Club
Century Arms Model GP 1975 Rifle
North Carolina offshore fishing trip for six
Three-day deer hunt in Wyoming
Seven-day hunt plus three-day tour of South Africa
Fort Knox Protector 6031 with black gloss finish and NRA logo
The Ladies' Luncheon and Auction, scheduled for May 19 at 11:00 a.m. in the Empire Room of the Hilton Milwaukee City Center, has already been announced. Full details may be found online at www.nra.org/Article.aspx?id=4774. This event is for women only and tickets are $35 per person.
Thorough descriptions of all the auction items at each event may be found at www.nraam.org.
To purchase tickets for any of the events, or for more information, call (800) 672-3888 x1369, or log onto www.nraam.org.
All proceeds from the auctions are to directly benefit the NRA Foundation in supporting their mission: To promote firearms and hunting safety, to enhance marksmanship skills of those participating in the shooting sports, and to educate the general public about firearms in their historic, technological and artistic context. Funds granted by the NRA Foundation benefit a variety of constituencies throughout the United States including children, youth, women, individuals with physical disabilities, gun collectors, law enforcement officers and hunters. Visit www.nrafoundation.org to learn more.
kallend 2,150
QuoteTK, I would suggest reading a very well researched book that directly and eruditely contradicts your incorrect thesis by Professor John Lott...
More Guns LESS Crime.
Not only is John Lott NOT a professor, his research has been thoroughly debunked on account of serious methodological errors.
However, he is a good capitalist. He has found a great source of revenue selling books to undiscerning gun owners.
...
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.
micro 0
QuoteQuoteTK, I would suggest reading a very well researched book that directly and eruditely contradicts your incorrect thesis by Professor John Lott...
More Guns LESS Crime.
Not only is John Lott NOT a professor, his research has been thoroughly debunked on account of serious methodological errors.
Give me a break John. He's only dismissed b/c of his MESSAGE, not b/c of his research.
From Lott's CV...
Professional Experience
-Senior research scholar, School of Law, Yale University,1999-2001
-Law and economics fellow, School of Law, University of Chicago, 1995-1999
-Visiting assistant professor, Graduate School of Business, University of Chicago 1994-1995
-Visiting fellow, Cornell University Law School, 1994
-Assistant professor, The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, 1991-1995
-Visiting assistant professor, Graduate School of Management, UCLA, 1989-1991
-Chief economist, U.S. Sentencing Commission, 1988-1989
-Visiting assistant professor, Department of Economics, Rice University, 1987-1988
-Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, 1986-1987
-Visiting assistant professor, Department of Economics, Texas A&M University, 1984-1986
Education
Ph.D., economics, University of California at Los Angeles
B.A., University of California at Los Angeles
I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...
SkyDekker 1,465
does look like he isn't a professor, so if he has been claiming that, that would be lie number 1.
mnealtx 0
Quotedoes look like he isn't a professor, so if he has been claiming that, that would be lie number 1.
Professional Experience
-Senior research scholar, School of Law, Yale University,1999-2001
-Law and economics fellow, School of Law, University of Chicago, 1995-1999
-Visiting assistant professor, Graduate School of Business, University of Chicago 1994-1995
-Visiting fellow, Cornell University Law School, 1994
-Assistant professor, The Wharton School, University of Pennsylvania, 1991-1995
-Visiting assistant professor, Graduate School of Management, UCLA, 1989-1991
-Chief economist, U.S. Sentencing Commission, 1988-1989
-Visiting assistant professor, Department of Economics, Rice University, 1987-1988
-Fellow, Hoover Institution, Stanford University, 1986-1987
-Visiting assistant professor, Department of Economics, Texas A&M University, 1984-1986
My God, you're right!!
Selective reading, anyone?
Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706
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