micro 0 #51 February 13, 2006 Quote Must .... restrain ..... self ...... hey, don't pull a muscle old man! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #52 February 13, 2006 Some facts: Hunting-related accidents rare ...such incidents are rare, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department records show. In 2004, Texas' 1 million-plus hunters were involved in 29 hunting-related accidents, four of which were fatal. The overall accident rate, 2.7 per 100,000 licenses sold, is the lowest since TPWD began keeping accident records in 1966, when the rate was 12.6. Statistically in Texas, shotgunners tend to be involved in the most hunting accidents — 19 of the 29, or 65 percent, in 2004. That's because they typically are hunting in close proximity to others and shooting at low-flying, fast-moving targets. Alcohol was a factor in only two of the 101 total hunting accidents reported during the past three years, TPWD records show. "The media may want to turn this (incident with Vice President Cheney) into something, but the fact remains that hunting is an extremely safe sport," said Slaton White, editor of SHOT Business magazine and a lifelong hunter. Source: Houston Chronicle If only skydiving could have an injury rate as low as hunting... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #53 February 13, 2006 QuoteI'll bet the press is having a field day with this. It brings up the question about how badly shot up this guy really is. He may have only been hit with a BB or two and the press is making it sound like his guts were hanging out or something. Not likely. Maybe if he had been treated in the ER and released, you'd have a point. The fact that he's been hospitalized in the ICU for several days makes it clear the doctors thought his injuries were serious. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #54 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuote Must .... restrain ..... self ...... BEER!!!!! - Hey, I'm doing well. Funny to re-read Cheney's comments about Kerry's hunting trip in the light of these events.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #55 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote Must .... restrain ..... self ...... BEER!!!!! - Hey, I'm doing well. Funny to re-read Cheney's comments about Kerry's hunting trip in the light of these events. You ARE doing well, Professor! I take back just about every snide remark I ever said about you! I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
justinb138 0 #56 February 14, 2006 Guns don't kill people! Vice Presidents do. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
sfc 1 #57 February 14, 2006 QuoteSome facts: Hunting-related accidents rare ...such incidents are rare, Texas Parks and Wildlife Department records show. In 2004, Texas' 1 million-plus hunters were involved in 29 hunting-related accidents, four of which were fatal. The overall accident rate, 2.7 per 100,000 licenses sold, is the lowest since TPWD began keeping accident records in 1966, when the rate was 12.6. Statistically in Texas, shotgunners tend to be involved in the most hunting accidents — 19 of the 29, or 65 percent, in 2004. That's because they typically are hunting in close proximity to others and shooting at low-flying, fast-moving targets. Alcohol was a factor in only two of the 101 total hunting accidents reported during the past three years, TPWD records show. "The media may want to turn this (incident with Vice President Cheney) into something, but the fact remains that hunting is an extremely safe sport," said Slaton White, editor of SHOT Business magazine and a lifelong hunter. Source: Houston Chronicle If only skydiving could have an injury rate as low as hunting... I think you have hit on it, we should arm skydivers. The number of fatalities involving armed skydivers over the last 10 years is exactly zero. This proves that skydiving while carrying is the most effective way to prevent fatalities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #58 February 14, 2006 QuoteI think you have hit on it, we should arm skydivers. The number of fatalities involving armed skydivers over the last 10 years is exactly zero. This proves that skydiving while carrying is the most effective way to prevent fatalities. great, you just gave 100 people that idea. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #59 February 14, 2006 woohoo!!! tandems with a M249 SAW on the passenger to stitch the landing zone with!!!! I will do it!!!! Rainbo get yer gear on man!!! we're going hunting!!! see if there is a convention standing around after the first pass huh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
PhreeZone 20 #60 February 14, 2006 QuoteIntelligence failure? Actually, I think there was an intelligence failure since it turns out that Mr. Cheney and his hunting party did not have even have all the required permits http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18150743%255E912,00.htmlYesterday is history And tomorrow is a mystery Parachutemanuals.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #61 February 14, 2006 QuoteGuns don't kill people! - Vice Presidents do. one for each side 1 - I'd rather go hunting with the VP than on a car ride with Ted Kennedy. (Funny, but likely very true for most people) 2 - It's the new Social Security reform from the White House. Shoot everyone 78 years old or older. (Funny, but it's more in line with the expectations of SS from years ago - it'll bankrupt because people live too long) Gratuitous partisan personal slam for good measure. How many nuts can Hillary store in those cheeks for winter? (Funny, but.....what did happen to her cheeks over the last 16 years? I mean, really, she should see a doctor.) ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #62 February 14, 2006 shes going for that bulldog look Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #63 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI think you have hit on it, we should arm skydivers. The number of fatalities involving armed skydivers over the last 10 years is exactly zero. This proves that skydiving while carrying is the most effective way to prevent fatalities. great, you just gave 100 people that idea. Never heard of a 'Chute n Shoot'? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #64 February 14, 2006 Quoteshes going for that bulldog look I heard that wrong. Did you mean 'bullfrog'? you forgot to post one leftwing joke and one rightwing joke about Dick's shooting ability ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #65 February 14, 2006 QuoteNever heard of a 'Chute n Shoot'? do they jump out of the plane with the gun? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #66 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'll bet the press is having a field day with this. It brings up the question about how badly shot up this guy really is. He may have only been hit with a BB or two and the press is making it sound like his guts were hanging out or something. Not likely. Maybe if he had been treated in the ER and released, you'd have a point. The fact that he's been hospitalized in the ICU for several days makes it clear the doctors thought his injuries were serious. Well, it sounds like the press may not be stretching things too much this time. I agree gun shot wounds are nothing to be taken lightly. I had a friend who accidentally shot himself while crossing a fence with a shotgun. And he died. There was some talk that it may have been a suicide, though. Shotguns can be deadly at close range, but usually aren't at longer ranges. My first thought, when I heard of this, was that he may have caught some BB's from long range. I guess I was wrong. I haven't done much research on this myself, but it would be interesting to know how far Cheney was from this guy when he pulled the trigger. I also wonder how many BB's hit him, and where. Also what size of shot. Actually this is a fairly common hunting accident, and is rarely fatal. It's also based on really careless gun handling, when it does occur....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #67 February 14, 2006 The latest news is not good: http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/14/cheney/index.html Hunter shot by Cheney has 'minor heart attack' Doctors: Birdshot moved to Harry Whittington's heart Tuesday, February 14, 2006; Posted: 2:19 p.m. EST (19:19 GMT) CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas (CNN) -- The fellow hunter who was shot and wounded by Vice President Dick Cheney has suffered a "minor heart attack" after a piece of birdshot migrated to his heart, a hospital spokesman said Tuesday. Harry Whittington, 78, is in stable condition in intensive care and will remain hospitalized for up to seven days, hospital officials said. "Some of the bird shot appears to have moved and lodged into part of his heart ... in what we would say is a minor heart attack," said Peter Banko, administrator at Christus Spohn Hospital Corpus Christi-Memorial. Cheney and Whittington were hunting quail on a friend's south Texas ranch Saturday when the vice president shot and wounded him. Doctors were deciding how to treat Whittington's condition, which was discovered after doctors noticed an irregularity in his heartbeat, Banko said. Dr. David Blanchard, the hospital's emergency room chief, said Whittington suffered an "asymptomatic heart attack," without displaying symptoms such as chest pains or breathing difficulty. He said a roughly 5 mm piece of shot became lodged in or alongside Whittington's heart muscle, causing the organ's upper two chambers to beat irregularly. Physicians from the White House staff, who helped treat Whittington after Cheney shot him in a Saturday hunting accident, have been consulted on the situation, Banko said. Authorities have cleared Cheney of wrongdoing in the accidental shooting of Whittington, but questions about Saturday's incident remain. During Tuesday's White House news conference, spokesman Scott McClellan was asked if waiting 14 hours after the shooting before Cheney spoke with police was appropriate, and whether an average citizen would have been afforded the same amount of time. "That was what was arranged with the local law enforcement authorities," McClellan said. "You ought to ask them that question." McClellan referred other questions about Cheney's shooting of Whittington, a Bush-Cheney campaign contributor, to the vice president's office and local police. Cheney arrived for work at the White House on Tuesday without comment and a spokeswoman said the vice president had no plans for any public statement about the matter. "This department is fully satisfied that this was no more than a hunting accident," the Kenedy County Sheriff's Department announced in a statement issued Monday evening. Sheriff's deputies in Kenedy County, near Corpus Christi, questioned Cheney on Sunday and Whittington on Monday. A prominent Texas lawyer and a campaign donor to the Bush-Cheney campaigns in 2000 and 2004, Whittington was hit on the right side of his face, neck and chest when Cheney turned to fire on a covey of quail at a ranch near Kingsville, Texas, on Saturday. But Cheney's office did not disclose the shooting until Sunday afternoon, after the family that owns the ranch told a Corpus Christi newspaper about it. McClellan told reporters on Monday that the focus in the immediate aftermath of the shooting was to make sure the man Cheney wounded got medical attention. "It's important, always, to work to make sure you get information out like this as quickly as possible," McClellan said. "But it's also important to make sure that the first priority is focused where it should be, and that is making sure that Mr. Whittington has the care that he needs." McClellan said Cheney agreed that his friend Katharine Armstrong, who accompanied the shooting party, should tell the Corpus Christi Caller-Times about the incident, a move that provoked sharp questions from reporters. Asked whether it was appropriate "for a private citizen to be the person to disseminate the information that the vice president of the United States has shot someone," McClellan said, "That's one way to provide information to the public." "The vice president spoke with her directly and agreed that she should make it public and that they would provide additional information," he said. Cheney, an avid hunter, was shooting at a covey of quail at the Armstrong Ranch near Kingsville, southwest of Corpus Christi, when the accident occurred. According to Armstrong, a daughter of Anne Armstrong, Whittington shot a quail, dropped back from the rest of the hunting party to retrieve it and was rejoining the group when Cheney fired. Katharine Armstrong said no one discussed informing the public about the incident until Sunday morning, when she and her mother raised the matter with Cheney. Saturday night, she said, "The only concern we all had was about Harry." But she said Cheney made it clear he knew it had to be made public. A medical team accompanying the vice president administered first aid to Whittington when the accident occurred at 5:50 p.m., Secret Service spokesman Tom Mazur said. The Secret Service told sheriff's deputies about the accident an hour later, after Whittington was headed for a hospital in Kingsville and the hunting party had returned to the ranch house, he said. A Kenedy County sheriff's deputy questioned Cheney about the shooting on Sunday, Mazur said. White House Chief of Staff Andrew Card told President Bush about 7:30 p.m. Saturday that there had been a hunting accident, but Card did not know the vice president had been involved at the time, the White House said. About 8 p.m., after talking with Armstrong, Deputy Chief of Staff Karl Rove told Bush that Cheney had shot Whittington. Whittington was hit upon rejoining the group and "apparently came up unannounced" as Cheney prepared to fire, Armstrong said Sunday. Whittington has been active in Texas GOP politics since the 1960s and served as chairman of the state Board of Corrections from 1979 to 1985. In 1999, then-Gov. Bush named him to the state Funeral Services Commission, which had been stung by allegations of widespread corruption and mismanagement in the industry. Anne Armstrong served on the board of directors of Halliburton, the oil field service company Cheney ran before becoming vice president. She also served as U.S. ambassador to Britain in the Ford administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #68 February 14, 2006 QuoteI think you have hit on it, we should arm skydivers. I AM a very well armed skydiver.... Oh and I have been shot by a drunken asshole before ... while hunting. That is why I usally do backpack hunts into wilderness areas.. it weeds out the drunks and lazy roadhunters. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rasmack 0 #69 February 14, 2006 QuoteOh and I have been shot by a drunken asshole before ... while hunting. That is why I usally do backpack hunts into wilderness areas.. it weeds out the drunks and lazy roadhunters. You don't want a bunch of rednecks to shine a headlight into your face thinking you're a deer? HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227 “I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.” - Not quite Oscar Wilde... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #70 February 14, 2006 Top Ten Dick Cheney Excuses 10. "Heart palpitation caused trigger finger to spasm" 9. "Wanted to get the Iraq mess off the front page" 8. "Not enough Jim Beam" 7. "Trying to stop the spread of bird flu" 6. "I love to shoot people" 5. "Guy was making cracks about my lesbian daughter" 4. "I thought the guy was trying to go 'gay cowboy' on me" 3. "Excuse? I hit him, didn't I?" 2. "Until Democrats approve medicare reform, we have to make some tough choices for the elderly" 1. "Made a bet with Gretzky's wife" Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #71 February 14, 2006 QuoteQuoteIntelligence failure? Actually, I think there was an intelligence failure since it turns out that Mr. Cheney and his hunting party did not have even have all the required permits http://www.theadvertiser.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,18150743%255E912,00.html The license is needed to shoot quail, not people.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #72 February 14, 2006 QuoteThe license is needed to shoot quail, not people. Good thing he was not hunting up here.... doing that without a license or appropriatae stamp... would be some pretty good fines.. but OTHER rules seem to apply for Mr Cheney.Ignorance of the law means just that...his people screwed up... but ultimately he is still responsible. VICE-President Dick Cheney has been given a warning citation for breaking Texas hunting law by failing to buy a special permit costing about $9.50, after an investigation into Mr Cheney's accidental shooting of a fellow hunter. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #73 February 14, 2006 Interesting they got 14 hours to make sure they had all their ducks quails in a row Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SkyDekker 1,465 #74 February 14, 2006 Rules for the ruling Elite will always be different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #75 February 14, 2006 And now the poor guy's had a heart attack... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 Next Page 3 of 6 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
SkyDekker 1,465 #74 February 14, 2006 Rules for the ruling Elite will always be different. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #75 February 14, 2006 And now the poor guy's had a heart attack... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
