warpedskydiver 0 #1 February 11, 2006 People have short memories in the US. During WW2 the media was all over us with statements like we cannot win against such a determined foe that has religion as its core and worships their leader as a god on earth. I guess we didn't have the resolve to win in a battle where we lost more that twice the men that our enemy did (IWO JIMA!) We had a limp wristed president at the time as well, who left thousands of americans to die in captivity. Those men held out well beyond what was expected of them only to have commanders in the field surrender in order to save themselves. Their men were totally destroyed by our surrender and then only to have the humiliation and torture of being in japanese captivity(philipines) Even after those men were rescued by our own troops(cabanatuan) there were still local communists who would not allow them safe passage through their village, which was the only route passable. Our solution?...we're going through whether you like it or not and if the answer should be NO, we will bomb you out of existance. Those same communists in the PI are now what some will call JI (Jamaat Islamiya) and (Abu Sayaaf). The war on non muslims has never stopped in actuality but has only had periods of relative calm. What had happened in the past 30years is we never actually did anything at all about the Muslim Insurgents we simply turned the other cheek when they killed bombed and then took our money and medicine only to come back and bite us in the ass. So I say to all of you who want all this to end: How about pitching in and winning one for the home team huh? I mean quit waving flags and buying yellow ribbons and telling fellow americans they are not "patriotic" because they don't have a yellow ribbon on their car. try looking at the veterans plates on that same vehicle, try looking for the DOD sticker on the windshield, TRY SENDING yourself to the military intead of fucking griping that were wrong. Hey have you discouraged your kids from joining the military? if so WHY THE FUCK DID YOU? It was good enough for our fathers and brothers to shed their blood for our freedom but that isn't good enough for you huh? I guess it's only ok for somebody elses kid to serve. For those of you who are world class jumpers why not be a fucking man and go join Special Forces or the SEALS? If you live you will never regret having served your country, and never never have to hang your head in shame that you didn't do anything at all to justify your right to sit around and bitch! During WW2 there were men who were turned down for military service due to illness or disability, and in turn were so distraught over it they went into the barn and hung themselves(true story) You may disagree but please by all means post your name and address here so all can see it. Then go around with that shit eating grin you always have Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #2 February 11, 2006 For those of you who are muslim and don't want this war and hate the terrorists use that same determination you have instilled in you by your faith to hunt these hate filled killers down and destroy them yourselves before were are all detroyed! BE A FUCKING MAN FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #3 February 11, 2006 You may find a few responses are directed at YOUR lack of Indentity. Don't rell me what or what not to do. I will hold my head high and keep my grin, many have tried to remove it on several occasions but yet it still happens to be where I was born with it. An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Hackb431 0 #4 February 11, 2006 Take a breath brother, you have valid points but they are going to fall on deaf ears. Those with the mindset to serve will and the rest, Well I just hope they understand one day. Thank a veteran every chance you get because it's by thier sacrifice do you have the rights to do what you do. (This applies to every nation) P.S. Islam does not teach hate, then again neither does Christianity but....... Another topic for another post.HackB A.K.A. "Puppy" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #5 February 11, 2006 well if you have served then my thanks to you! and I guess you didn't realize you were not the object of this post!I have served my country and I am not ashamed to say so...I also have lots of injuries from said service. My name is RANDALL BEHNING AND DON"T ANYONE FORGET IT! My family has been serving this country since Von Steuben came here with his men(revoultionary war) I have family buried at valley forge god damn it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #6 February 11, 2006 I personally continue to help our military every chance I get even though I cannot serve any longer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #7 February 11, 2006 QuoteHey have you discouraged your kids from joining the military? if so WHY THE FUCK DID YOU? It was good enough for our fathers and brothers to shed their blood for our freedom but that isn't good enough for you huh? I guess it's only ok for somebody elses kid to serve. I would be devastated if my kids put themselves at risk by involving themselves in Bush & Blairs bullshit war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #8 February 11, 2006 Then you will like your new masters when you are not free any longer! I figured there would be non americans with that attitude...yeah let someone else do they dirty work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites crozby 0 #9 February 11, 2006 QuoteI figured there would be non americans with that attitude...yeah let someone else do they dirty work. No I never thought that, but I always thought it took someone a whole lot stupider than me to fall for the bullshit that Iraq needed invading to protect my personal freedom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,433 #10 February 11, 2006 QuoteI guess we didn't have the resolve to win in a battle where we lost more that twice the men that our enemy did (IWO JIMA!) In the book, "Flags of our Fathers," I'm fairly confident I read where the Marines lost 6,000 men; but the Japanese lost over 20,000 on Iwo Jima. And, verified... http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blsulferislandseized4.htmNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #11 February 11, 2006 No, I KNOW I am not the object of your post. I will how ever post some responses from my experinces and based on my opinion (that is after all what this is for, right?) I also KNOW many world class jumpers (and world class citiezens who are not world class jumpers, yet) who have and do serve. Many of the jumpers you look up to here, are former SEALs, SF, Rangers, Paratroopers, Pathfinders, Force Recon, PJ's, SPs and the list goes on. They serve/ed in WW II, Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi Arabia, Samolia, Kosavo, and of course on our 4 fronts right now. Some served in a drafted military and others in the volunteer military. I think the Volunteer is better (JMO). But all genarations served very admirably. The military can always use more good men and women to help out. But you or I posting while angry wont help. I also think re-enstating a draft wont help, I wouldn't want some one to be next to me on the field who didn't have beleife in what they are doing (not the political part, theserves part). The "Insurgents are winning" is just sensationlism media. According to CENTCOM the insugency has been reduce from 12 provinces in Iraq to 4 during the last 18 months. (from GEN Abizaids public speach last December to Cadets at a University that excapes me right now). The events in Iraq will have our invovlment for many years to come, no getting around it. The Iraqi citizens make up less and less of the Insurgency. The political ramifacations will continue to devide people and political parties here in the US and abroad. Use your own filiters, be glad we can talk about it and voice opinions publicaly. Thank You for your service and your expresions. Thank You for continueing to serve through you efforts to aide service members. Now I will leave you to go throw snow balls at my daughterAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #12 February 11, 2006 I stand corrected I ststed a fact that was actually relevant to another battle I will reflect on that and state it when I recall properly....Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,433 #13 February 11, 2006 No worries. Did that myself a couple of days ago regarding the Geneva Convention thread.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #14 February 11, 2006 I also KNOW many world class jumpers (and world class citiezens who are not world class jumpers, yet) who have and do serve. Many of the jumpers you look up to here, are former SEALs, SF, Rangers, Paratroopers, Pathfinders, Force Recon, PJ's, SPs and the list goes on. They serve/ed in WW II, Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi Arabia, Samolia, Kosavo, and of course on our 4 fronts right now. I too realize this as some of them are my friends that I talk to and hang out with on a regular basis the ones I wanted to address is those who would bitch and moan but will not ever left a finger to actually do something about it. I also agree we are not losing....that's just a segment of our society that has that attitude and really wants us to lose and then they can say I told you so! To those people I say this: I would rather die standing with a weapon in my hand like a man, than kneeling sucking the cock of those who would do us harm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #15 February 11, 2006 QuoteHey have you discouraged your kids from joining the military? if so WHY THE FUCK DID YOU? Here's a good possible reason. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/ I grew up in the Navy. Joined during the Iran Crisis. We were told it was about freedom. They lied. Just another power struggle. If you honestly believe that people being killed in Iraq is keeping us free, you need a reality check. If you are so gung-ho, find a way to go back. Don't tell others that they are not American because they have a different view on this quagmire. With the violence escalating to new heights everyday and no end anywhere in sight, do you really believe the answer is to send more into the meatgrinder? What right do you have to tell others to "be a man" ? How about telling the Iraqis if they want "freedom" they should do the job. Americans are thrown in with but a few months of training. Why are the Iraqis so slow to get on the ball? Appearently they do not want it that bad. It appears they want the opposite. It seems they just openned the door in the beginning and let us in so they would have easier targets. How many more names need to be added to the list? You compare this quagmire to WW2? Not even close to being alike. I supported the attack on the Taliban and Al Qaeda. The whole world did. After all, they attacked us. The misguided invasion and occupation of Iraq has seriously hurt our credibilty and drained resources that could had been put to better use in bringing Al Qaeda down. We are just spinning the wheel in Iraq and going nowhere."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 11, 2006 I was not referring to the war in Iraq in particular....those assholes should fend for themselves and I really hope they get it right or they can just go on killing each other at will. I say to them go fuck yourselves and quit asking for our money and resources unless you are willing to actually help yourselves first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #17 February 11, 2006 Quote"quagmire" Liberal talking point credit: +2 Multiple uses in a single post: Liberal talking point credit: -1 Liberal talking point credit total: +1Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #18 February 11, 2006 QuoteI was not referring to the war in Iraq in particular....those assholes should fend for themselves and I really hope they get it right or they can just go on killing each other at will. I say to them go fuck yourselves and quit asking for our money and resources unless you are willing to actually help yourselves first. I agree 100%. If it were possible, I would rejoin. Age and health conditions makes me an undesirable. I am all for people joining, as long as they know the reason why. The reason for Afghanistan was clear and defined. Iraq? the reason has changed so many times that I doubt Bush can even keep up with "why"."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #19 February 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI guess we didn't have the resolve to win in a battle where we lost more that twice the men that our enemy did (IWO JIMA!) In the book, "Flags of our Fathers," I'm fairly confident I read where the Marines lost 6,000 men; but the Japanese lost over 20,000 on Iwo Jima. And, verified... http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blsulferislandseized4.htm The estimates made on the U.S. casualties was underestimated by 80 percent. 23,000 Casualties out of 70,000 Marines. Over third of the total Marines who participated in the invasion were either Killed, Wounded or suffered from Battle Fatigue. http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/LUTZ/iwo.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #20 February 11, 2006 I have served my country and I am not ashamed to say so...I also have lots of injuries from said service. My name is RANDALL BEHNING AND DON"T ANYONE FORGET IT! Thank You Randall Behning! Thank You!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #21 February 11, 2006 I tried to join the military. They wouldn't let me. There are a lot of people willing to serve that the military won't allow. For example, people with handicaps, people who take medication daily, etc... There is plenty these people can do that would free up completely healthy individuals to do things that only completely healthy people can do. I hate those yellow ribbons on cars. There are better things people can do with their money to support the troops. As my my friend Andy (currently in Iraq) says "I hate those f-ing yellow ribbons. Most of the people who have them haven't done a damn thing for the troops except slap a yellow ribbon on their car." He then looked at me, grinned and said "You send girl scout cookies. I wish people would spend money sending girl scout cookies instead of buying ribbons." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites matthewcline 0 #22 February 11, 2006 I agree with the yellow ribbon thing with a few exceptions. A serviceman or woman's family has "earned" the right to slap one on a car. After all that was the original idea behind them 65 years ago.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #23 February 11, 2006 QuoteI tried to join the military. They wouldn't let me. There are a lot of people willing to serve that the military won't allow. For example, people with handicaps, people who take medication daily, etc... There is plenty these people can do that would free up completely healthy individuals to do things that only completely healthy people can do. I hate those yellow ribbons on cars. There are better things people can do with their money to support the troops. As my my friend Andy (currently in Iraq) says "I hate those f-ing yellow ribbons. Most of the people who have them haven't done a damn thing for the troops except slap a yellow ribbon on their car." He then looked at me, grinned and said "You send girl scout cookies. I wish people would spend money sending girl scout cookies instead of buying ribbons." exactly it's as if spending 3 dollars absolved them from actually doing something meaningful...fucking posers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #24 February 11, 2006 And for your efforts I thank YOU at least you did actually do something Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #25 February 11, 2006 Personally, my family follows the custom of hanging star banners in windows. Blue stars for soldiers who are alive but overseas, gold stars with blue borders for those KIA. Because each of those stars represents a soldier, I think they have a lot more meaning than yellow ribbons. I've made banners for a few people who have family overseas, and I truly hope I never have to sew a gold star over one of those blue ones. You can see the star service banners online here: http://emblem.legion.org/AmericanLegn/product_family.asp?family%5Fid=7629&gift=False&0=dept%2Easp%2Cdept%5Fid%3D152%26menu%5Fid%3D%26Tree%3D%2CBlue%20Star%20Banners&mscssid=E23372C47204452193B3F3BE3381B8CE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. 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crozby 0 #7 February 11, 2006 QuoteHey have you discouraged your kids from joining the military? if so WHY THE FUCK DID YOU? It was good enough for our fathers and brothers to shed their blood for our freedom but that isn't good enough for you huh? I guess it's only ok for somebody elses kid to serve. I would be devastated if my kids put themselves at risk by involving themselves in Bush & Blairs bullshit war. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #8 February 11, 2006 Then you will like your new masters when you are not free any longer! I figured there would be non americans with that attitude...yeah let someone else do they dirty work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
crozby 0 #9 February 11, 2006 QuoteI figured there would be non americans with that attitude...yeah let someone else do they dirty work. No I never thought that, but I always thought it took someone a whole lot stupider than me to fall for the bullshit that Iraq needed invading to protect my personal freedom. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,433 #10 February 11, 2006 QuoteI guess we didn't have the resolve to win in a battle where we lost more that twice the men that our enemy did (IWO JIMA!) In the book, "Flags of our Fathers," I'm fairly confident I read where the Marines lost 6,000 men; but the Japanese lost over 20,000 on Iwo Jima. And, verified... http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blsulferislandseized4.htmNobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #11 February 11, 2006 No, I KNOW I am not the object of your post. I will how ever post some responses from my experinces and based on my opinion (that is after all what this is for, right?) I also KNOW many world class jumpers (and world class citiezens who are not world class jumpers, yet) who have and do serve. Many of the jumpers you look up to here, are former SEALs, SF, Rangers, Paratroopers, Pathfinders, Force Recon, PJ's, SPs and the list goes on. They serve/ed in WW II, Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi Arabia, Samolia, Kosavo, and of course on our 4 fronts right now. Some served in a drafted military and others in the volunteer military. I think the Volunteer is better (JMO). But all genarations served very admirably. The military can always use more good men and women to help out. But you or I posting while angry wont help. I also think re-enstating a draft wont help, I wouldn't want some one to be next to me on the field who didn't have beleife in what they are doing (not the political part, theserves part). The "Insurgents are winning" is just sensationlism media. According to CENTCOM the insugency has been reduce from 12 provinces in Iraq to 4 during the last 18 months. (from GEN Abizaids public speach last December to Cadets at a University that excapes me right now). The events in Iraq will have our invovlment for many years to come, no getting around it. The Iraqi citizens make up less and less of the Insurgency. The political ramifacations will continue to devide people and political parties here in the US and abroad. Use your own filiters, be glad we can talk about it and voice opinions publicaly. Thank You for your service and your expresions. Thank You for continueing to serve through you efforts to aide service members. Now I will leave you to go throw snow balls at my daughterAn Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #12 February 11, 2006 I stand corrected I ststed a fact that was actually relevant to another battle I will reflect on that and state it when I recall properly....Thank you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites BIGUN 1,433 #13 February 11, 2006 No worries. Did that myself a couple of days ago regarding the Geneva Convention thread.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #14 February 11, 2006 I also KNOW many world class jumpers (and world class citiezens who are not world class jumpers, yet) who have and do serve. Many of the jumpers you look up to here, are former SEALs, SF, Rangers, Paratroopers, Pathfinders, Force Recon, PJ's, SPs and the list goes on. They serve/ed in WW II, Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi Arabia, Samolia, Kosavo, and of course on our 4 fronts right now. I too realize this as some of them are my friends that I talk to and hang out with on a regular basis the ones I wanted to address is those who would bitch and moan but will not ever left a finger to actually do something about it. I also agree we are not losing....that's just a segment of our society that has that attitude and really wants us to lose and then they can say I told you so! To those people I say this: I would rather die standing with a weapon in my hand like a man, than kneeling sucking the cock of those who would do us harm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #15 February 11, 2006 QuoteHey have you discouraged your kids from joining the military? if so WHY THE FUCK DID YOU? Here's a good possible reason. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/ I grew up in the Navy. Joined during the Iran Crisis. We were told it was about freedom. They lied. Just another power struggle. If you honestly believe that people being killed in Iraq is keeping us free, you need a reality check. If you are so gung-ho, find a way to go back. Don't tell others that they are not American because they have a different view on this quagmire. With the violence escalating to new heights everyday and no end anywhere in sight, do you really believe the answer is to send more into the meatgrinder? What right do you have to tell others to "be a man" ? How about telling the Iraqis if they want "freedom" they should do the job. Americans are thrown in with but a few months of training. Why are the Iraqis so slow to get on the ball? Appearently they do not want it that bad. It appears they want the opposite. It seems they just openned the door in the beginning and let us in so they would have easier targets. How many more names need to be added to the list? You compare this quagmire to WW2? Not even close to being alike. I supported the attack on the Taliban and Al Qaeda. The whole world did. After all, they attacked us. The misguided invasion and occupation of Iraq has seriously hurt our credibilty and drained resources that could had been put to better use in bringing Al Qaeda down. We are just spinning the wheel in Iraq and going nowhere."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 11, 2006 I was not referring to the war in Iraq in particular....those assholes should fend for themselves and I really hope they get it right or they can just go on killing each other at will. I say to them go fuck yourselves and quit asking for our money and resources unless you are willing to actually help yourselves first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites mnealtx 0 #17 February 11, 2006 Quote"quagmire" Liberal talking point credit: +2 Multiple uses in a single post: Liberal talking point credit: -1 Liberal talking point credit total: +1Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #18 February 11, 2006 QuoteI was not referring to the war in Iraq in particular....those assholes should fend for themselves and I really hope they get it right or they can just go on killing each other at will. I say to them go fuck yourselves and quit asking for our money and resources unless you are willing to actually help yourselves first. I agree 100%. If it were possible, I would rejoin. Age and health conditions makes me an undesirable. I am all for people joining, as long as they know the reason why. The reason for Afghanistan was clear and defined. Iraq? the reason has changed so many times that I doubt Bush can even keep up with "why"."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites warpedskydiver 0 #19 February 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI guess we didn't have the resolve to win in a battle where we lost more that twice the men that our enemy did (IWO JIMA!) In the book, "Flags of our Fathers," I'm fairly confident I read where the Marines lost 6,000 men; but the Japanese lost over 20,000 on Iwo Jima. And, verified... http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blsulferislandseized4.htm The estimates made on the U.S. casualties was underestimated by 80 percent. 23,000 Casualties out of 70,000 Marines. Over third of the total Marines who participated in the invasion were either Killed, Wounded or suffered from Battle Fatigue. http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/LUTZ/iwo.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #20 February 11, 2006 I have served my country and I am not ashamed to say so...I also have lots of injuries from said service. My name is RANDALL BEHNING AND DON"T ANYONE FORGET IT! Thank You Randall Behning! Thank You!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
BIGUN 1,433 #13 February 11, 2006 No worries. Did that myself a couple of days ago regarding the Geneva Convention thread.Nobody has time to listen; because they're desperately chasing the need of being heard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #14 February 11, 2006 I also KNOW many world class jumpers (and world class citiezens who are not world class jumpers, yet) who have and do serve. Many of the jumpers you look up to here, are former SEALs, SF, Rangers, Paratroopers, Pathfinders, Force Recon, PJ's, SPs and the list goes on. They serve/ed in WW II, Korea, Viet Nam, Grenada, Panama, Saudi Arabia, Samolia, Kosavo, and of course on our 4 fronts right now. I too realize this as some of them are my friends that I talk to and hang out with on a regular basis the ones I wanted to address is those who would bitch and moan but will not ever left a finger to actually do something about it. I also agree we are not losing....that's just a segment of our society that has that attitude and really wants us to lose and then they can say I told you so! To those people I say this: I would rather die standing with a weapon in my hand like a man, than kneeling sucking the cock of those who would do us harm. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #15 February 11, 2006 QuoteHey have you discouraged your kids from joining the military? if so WHY THE FUCK DID YOU? Here's a good possible reason. http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2003/iraq/forces/casualties/ I grew up in the Navy. Joined during the Iran Crisis. We were told it was about freedom. They lied. Just another power struggle. If you honestly believe that people being killed in Iraq is keeping us free, you need a reality check. If you are so gung-ho, find a way to go back. Don't tell others that they are not American because they have a different view on this quagmire. With the violence escalating to new heights everyday and no end anywhere in sight, do you really believe the answer is to send more into the meatgrinder? What right do you have to tell others to "be a man" ? How about telling the Iraqis if they want "freedom" they should do the job. Americans are thrown in with but a few months of training. Why are the Iraqis so slow to get on the ball? Appearently they do not want it that bad. It appears they want the opposite. It seems they just openned the door in the beginning and let us in so they would have easier targets. How many more names need to be added to the list? You compare this quagmire to WW2? Not even close to being alike. I supported the attack on the Taliban and Al Qaeda. The whole world did. After all, they attacked us. The misguided invasion and occupation of Iraq has seriously hurt our credibilty and drained resources that could had been put to better use in bringing Al Qaeda down. We are just spinning the wheel in Iraq and going nowhere."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #16 February 11, 2006 I was not referring to the war in Iraq in particular....those assholes should fend for themselves and I really hope they get it right or they can just go on killing each other at will. I say to them go fuck yourselves and quit asking for our money and resources unless you are willing to actually help yourselves first. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #17 February 11, 2006 Quote"quagmire" Liberal talking point credit: +2 Multiple uses in a single post: Liberal talking point credit: -1 Liberal talking point credit total: +1Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #18 February 11, 2006 QuoteI was not referring to the war in Iraq in particular....those assholes should fend for themselves and I really hope they get it right or they can just go on killing each other at will. I say to them go fuck yourselves and quit asking for our money and resources unless you are willing to actually help yourselves first. I agree 100%. If it were possible, I would rejoin. Age and health conditions makes me an undesirable. I am all for people joining, as long as they know the reason why. The reason for Afghanistan was clear and defined. Iraq? the reason has changed so many times that I doubt Bush can even keep up with "why"."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #19 February 11, 2006 QuoteQuoteI guess we didn't have the resolve to win in a battle where we lost more that twice the men that our enemy did (IWO JIMA!) In the book, "Flags of our Fathers," I'm fairly confident I read where the Marines lost 6,000 men; but the Japanese lost over 20,000 on Iwo Jima. And, verified... http://history1900s.about.com/library/prm/blsulferislandseized4.htm The estimates made on the U.S. casualties was underestimated by 80 percent. 23,000 Casualties out of 70,000 Marines. Over third of the total Marines who participated in the invasion were either Killed, Wounded or suffered from Battle Fatigue. http://history.acusd.edu/gen/WW2Timeline/LUTZ/iwo.html Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #20 February 11, 2006 I have served my country and I am not ashamed to say so...I also have lots of injuries from said service. My name is RANDALL BEHNING AND DON"T ANYONE FORGET IT! Thank You Randall Behning! Thank You!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #21 February 11, 2006 I tried to join the military. They wouldn't let me. There are a lot of people willing to serve that the military won't allow. For example, people with handicaps, people who take medication daily, etc... There is plenty these people can do that would free up completely healthy individuals to do things that only completely healthy people can do. I hate those yellow ribbons on cars. There are better things people can do with their money to support the troops. As my my friend Andy (currently in Iraq) says "I hate those f-ing yellow ribbons. Most of the people who have them haven't done a damn thing for the troops except slap a yellow ribbon on their car." He then looked at me, grinned and said "You send girl scout cookies. I wish people would spend money sending girl scout cookies instead of buying ribbons." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
matthewcline 0 #22 February 11, 2006 I agree with the yellow ribbon thing with a few exceptions. A serviceman or woman's family has "earned" the right to slap one on a car. After all that was the original idea behind them 65 years ago.An Instructors first concern is student safety. So, start being safe, first!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #23 February 11, 2006 QuoteI tried to join the military. They wouldn't let me. There are a lot of people willing to serve that the military won't allow. For example, people with handicaps, people who take medication daily, etc... There is plenty these people can do that would free up completely healthy individuals to do things that only completely healthy people can do. I hate those yellow ribbons on cars. There are better things people can do with their money to support the troops. As my my friend Andy (currently in Iraq) says "I hate those f-ing yellow ribbons. Most of the people who have them haven't done a damn thing for the troops except slap a yellow ribbon on their car." He then looked at me, grinned and said "You send girl scout cookies. I wish people would spend money sending girl scout cookies instead of buying ribbons." exactly it's as if spending 3 dollars absolved them from actually doing something meaningful...fucking posers Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #24 February 11, 2006 And for your efforts I thank YOU at least you did actually do something Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Nightingale 0 #25 February 11, 2006 Personally, my family follows the custom of hanging star banners in windows. Blue stars for soldiers who are alive but overseas, gold stars with blue borders for those KIA. Because each of those stars represents a soldier, I think they have a lot more meaning than yellow ribbons. I've made banners for a few people who have family overseas, and I truly hope I never have to sew a gold star over one of those blue ones. You can see the star service banners online here: http://emblem.legion.org/AmericanLegn/product_family.asp?family%5Fid=7629&gift=False&0=dept%2Easp%2Cdept%5Fid%3D152%26menu%5Fid%3D%26Tree%3D%2CBlue%20Star%20Banners&mscssid=E23372C47204452193B3F3BE3381B8CE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
Nightingale 0 #25 February 11, 2006 Personally, my family follows the custom of hanging star banners in windows. Blue stars for soldiers who are alive but overseas, gold stars with blue borders for those KIA. Because each of those stars represents a soldier, I think they have a lot more meaning than yellow ribbons. I've made banners for a few people who have family overseas, and I truly hope I never have to sew a gold star over one of those blue ones. You can see the star service banners online here: http://emblem.legion.org/AmericanLegn/product_family.asp?family%5Fid=7629&gift=False&0=dept%2Easp%2Cdept%5Fid%3D152%26menu%5Fid%3D%26Tree%3D%2CBlue%20Star%20Banners&mscssid=E23372C47204452193B3F3BE3381B8CE Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
