More tax cuts with cost us billions in the long run!

[Samurai136 0]

Check your facts.


The sale was mentioned as part of a potential budgetary surplus of $17 billion. Other sources in President Clinton's proposed budget to congress estimated the future surplus as a $45 billion deficit. During that period the OMB Budget ranged from $1.560 to $1.844 trillon dollars. The OMB value of the island was $0.0003 trillion dollars. It sold for $1. Your argument is moot.

To use one of your analogies; If you were selling a $150,000 house in a depressed economy and sold it for $30,000 wouldn't you try and claim that as a loss?!?

Edit: You're still avoiding the issue that Clinton lowered deficit spending and G.W. increased deficit spending. We're not talking about the "surplus" it never really existed. We are talking about deficit spending and the national Debt.

"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian
Ken

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

I'm not avoiding any issue. Clinton padded his revenue with sale of things that would not, could not, did not sell for what he added to the "black" column of his budget. Of course you can pretend there is a budget surplus if you are not bound by having to have REAL MONEY coming in.

BTW, I like prosciutto...

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[Samurai136 0]

You are manufacturing your argument out of whole cloth. Please apply some better analytical skills and use some true facts.

The federal budget is not the president's budget. The president submits a proposal to congress who may approve his budget or ignore it and write their own. The sale of the island in any situation is an insignificant dollar value compared to the total dollar value of a proposed surplus.

If you read the link to Clinton's budget proposal you would see that he does not add the sale to the potential budget surplus. He mentions the proposed surplus does not include the mandateded future sale of the island.

"Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian
Ken

[lawrocket 3]

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Republicans and democrats alike are at fault. It's that simple. How do we know that this is a spend-crazy Congress?

C'mon Rocket, this is in complete constrast to those that want to have an unreasonable partisan bash fest. Why rain on their parade with the facts that both parties are known for "spending" and none are know for cutting?

You're a wet blanket. You know that.

Reasoned and non-partisan? Just because I suggest that the POTUS is like the husband who proposes to his wife every year that by getting ten more credit cards they can all get more cool stuff? Just because I'm suggesting that Congress is like the wife who goes along with it, all the while bitching about the debt? You know those people who put their minimum monthly payments for the credit cards on credit cards?)

These are the people who are running government (at the State level, too). I know.

Here are the schoolyard, I mean, high-level political thinkersgoing at it:

"Democrats raise taxes and spend, spend, spend."
"Republicans lower taxes and spend, spend spend."
"No we don't!"
"Yes you DO!"
"We get more money in the treasury from lowering taxes."
"Nu-UH!"
"Uh-HUH!"
"No way!"
"Way!"
"Shut up!"
"MAke me!"
"I can't make a jackass! But that's your logo."
"Nu-Uh!"
"Uh-HUH!"

etc....

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[wmw999 2,589]

You forgot "I know you are but what am I" and "neener neener"

Other than that, I think you cribbed that off of FOXNNBSNPRMax

Wendy W.

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

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Don't hand me bullshit, kallend. The FACT is, your graph says "PERCENT CHANGE" and that is an absolute value. The graph DOES NOT IN ANY WAY, SHAPE OR MANNER DIFFERENTIATE BETWEEN CHANGE IN EITHER THE POSITIVE OR NEGATIVE DIRECTION.

Face it, you're caught being wrong. You can be mature and admit it, or you can keep looking foolish denying it in front of a bunch of people who know it to be true.

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A change can be positive or negative. Divide by the starting value and multiply by 100 and you have a % change. Where did you learn mathematics?

Um, how is it you don't even understand that that's exactly what I was fucking saying? YOU put forth the graph ostensibly to show us that under Republicans, the debt has GROWN; all your graph shows is that is has CHANGED, and by what percent. Your graph does not actually say whether the change made the debt grow or shrink.

Jebus Cripes you're confused.

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Let me explain in a way that even you may be able to understand:

A positive value of % change means the number it is referred to increased during the relevant time interval. All the percentages on the the graph I posted are positive. This means The Debt grew every year. That is, it got bigger. That means the US owes its creditors more money. No ambiguity, no confusion for anyone except you.

Did you pass 6th grade math?

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[lawrocket 3]

As much as anyone, I know that I need to cite my sources.

Ah, Wendy, independent thought is so rare nowadays that people will assume it's stolen. So, what new organization told you you I was stealing stuff? Did moveon.org tell you to write that?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[wmw999 2,589]

Ummm -- this isn't a reply to lawrocket (who does appear to have cribbed his avatar, however ), but folks -- Billvon is in Thailand, and Tom has a new baby, and Paul is in California where it's 6:20AM right now.

That probably doesn't mean that the rules about thinly-veiled PAs have all been temporarily waived.

Wendy W.
(yes, I'm a goody-goody sometimes)

There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown)

[lawrocket 3]

A apologize if it looks like I am attacking wendy. To those of you who thought that I was, would moveon.org really tell Wendy to attack me?

My wife is hotter than your wife.

[hairyjuan 0]

does any one remember the Grace Commission of Comrade Reagan's dictatotship? The end result of that study of the tax laws revealed that "one hundred percent of every tax dollar is consumed by the National Debt" What is the National Debt all about any way? I know, do you? on the question of taxes EVERYONE who loves the freedom to exit an aircraft needs to go to www.givemeliberty.org and read the 537 questions the givernment wont answer. MITAKUYE OYASIN

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