Prophet cartoons and american guests

[likearock 2]

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I thought this one was funny

You should check out the whole series. These guys started up months before the controversy broke.

Start with the first one: http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=18

[rhino 0]

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Many american guests of this forum have protested violently

No such thing has happened.

[warpedskydiver 0]

Many american guests of this forum have protested violently over a sarcastic suggestion of posting a video of US choppers being shot down.

was your house burned down?.....do you have pictures documenting the wounds you received?

there was no violence at all was there?...

the only thing that outrager recieved was comments made by others (including me) to show that no matter how he intended his statement to sound, it was wrong and he KNEW that would cause problems for himself and yet did it anyways.

IF you say it take the heat and dont try and explain it away.

If you feel you were wrong say so.

remember even if it is legal is doesn't make it right.

Treat others as if they were human beings deserving some kind of decency and also realize you may be directing those aformentioned comments at a large audience comprised of those who have lost friends and or family members.

Turn the tables and ask yourself how you would react to the same statement?

[miked10270 0]

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I thought this one was funny These guys started up months before the controversy broke.

Start with the first one: http://www.jesusandmo.net/?p=18

These are just SUPERB!!!

Mike.

Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable.

Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode.

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[JohnRich 4]

Isn't it ironic how the Muslims demand that everyone be tolerant of their religion, under threat of death, and at the same time, they are also the most intolerant of everyone else...

Fuck 'em. I'm waiting for the backlash to start, when people have had enough of their shit, and start burning mosques in retaliation.

[Skyrad 0]

Yawn....

When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy.
Lucius Annaeus Seneca

[Shotgun 1]

Hmm, I step out of Speakers Corner for a while and someone actually posts something that is interesting...

[outrager 6]

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If you feel you were wrong say so.

Absolutely not. I feel you are totally out of the line here, replacing logic with emotions.

Americans kill others. Video is posted. Others kill americans. A request for video is posted. No remarks about servicemembers are made, none. The rest is your warped imagination.

But now that you brought it up: what makes you believe it is ok to discuss US servicemembers killing other people, and a sacrilege to mention other people killing US servicemembers? A little Nazi concept of subhumans and elite race ???

bsbd!

Yuri.

[rehmwa 2]

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right is not a right if it is circumscribed by rules that limit it. It is none of your business if other people exercise their rights in ways that you find inappropriate or offensive. The right not to be offended is not found anywhere that I know about.

If you think this disagrees with what I said, then you didn't read it correctly - this is totally in line, but only as a side point. But you also missed the point anyway if that is all you can take from it. Pretty shallow response really. The petulant viewpoint of many academics not much different from the narrow viewpoint of the shock jocks and children in my examples.

Rights are something to be proud of and exercised responsibly. Those that consider rights are only to be exercised as acts of defiance don't really get it either. They are so much more than just that single aspect. But that's the message I get from those that shout about it loudest. Equivalent of rebellious and ignorant teenagers shouting at their parents about things they have no information or experience in.

I don't see how a statement about respect and intelligent exchange of ideas can even be remotely construed (falsely) as a call to limit the right or establish rules. It's a call for people to use consideration and common sense. Rules in the forms of law are not implied at all. C'mon John your just being contentious for the sake of being contentious (no I'm not, yes you are, no I'm not)

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[kallend 2,151]

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Rights are something to be proud of and exercised responsibly.

I can agree with that statement and also believe firmly that rights are rights are rights, and there is no OBLIGATION to exercise them responsibly. Once limits are placed, rights morph into privileges.

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[avenfoto 0]

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I should have simply said that a few american guests of this forum are ignorant twin brothers of muslim extremists they dislike so much.

fucking golden....

but of course, an intelligent observation and post must degenerate into

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BTW if the United States of America is sooooo fucking awful then why would any of you who aren't a citizen want to be here?

because its that easy....

[ryoder 1,590]

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A right is not a right if it is circumscribed by rules that limit it. It is none of your business if other people exercise their rights in ways that you find inappropriate or offensive. The right not to be offended is not found anywhere that I know about.

Your last line sounds a lot like a line in this article:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1156609,00.html

"Freedom means learning to deal with being offended."

"There are only three things of value: younger women, faster airplanes, and bigger crocodiles" - Arthur Jones.

[Darius11 12]

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Edit: Oh, examples: 1 - idiots wearing t-shirts in Congress instead making reasonable arguments (lazy and childish); 2 - children arguing over dress codes at schools (childish, by definition); 3 - so called "artists" petulantly insulting the strongly held beliefs of others, for the purpose of offending, not for the purpose of exchange of thoughts 3 is enough. Let's see if we can all come up with some other examples. Yet we should defend these 'expressions' as the right thing to do, these expressions are sophomoric misapplications of what should be valuable, not just the right to blatantly offend and shock

Agreed

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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Isn't it ironic how the Muslims demand that everyone be tolerant of their religion, under threat of death, and at the same time, they are also the most intolerant of everyone else

Fact- Islam is the only religion out of the major 3 that accepts the beliefs of Christians and Jews the same can not be said of Christianity and specially Judaism who believe they and only they are the chosen people.


People all people need to take responsibility for their actions and practice tactfulness considering the turmoil times we live in. We live in a world that every limit gets pushed daily when will it be enough.

Another Fact.
People takes racial jokes racial slurs easier when it is the race making fun of it self. For example African Americans use the N word if your not African American you could get your self in to trouble. I am not sure how a Cartoon of Martine Luther king doing something degrading would go over.
Lets not forget we have had riots here as well.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[warpedskydiver 0]

Americans kill others. Video is posted. Others kill americans. A request for video is posted. No remarks about servicemembers are made, none. The rest is your warped imagination.
bsbd!

Yuri.

[Trent 0]

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Fact- Islam is the only religion out of the major 3 that accepts the beliefs of Christians and Jews the same can not be said of Christianity and specially Judaism who believe they and only they are the chosen people.

Just a point here, but didn't islam come quite a while after christianity which came quite a while after judaism? It would seem only naturaly that a "new" religion would have to have some degree of acceptance of its predecessors in order for it to be spread among people who would convert. Otherwise, it wouldn't be very easy to have the masses accept it.

As far as really "accepting" things that differ from a religion's view of the world. I've never heard any non-whacko christian or jewish service that preached anything but understanding and cooperation with people of other faiths. However, you must admit that the recent mohammed cartoons is a SMALL sign of islam's lack of acceptance of the way many other countries live. We could go back and forth pointing out more examples, but the point here is that many people in the wester countries are increasingly seeing the lack of tolerance from the islamic countries. That deserves an explanation, not just a brush off saying, "Islam is VERY tolerant, you don't know what you're talking about!", because people are SEEING what is going on.

Oh, hello again!

[Darius11 12]

It wasn’t a brush of but fact.
The reasoning that Islam is tolerant of other religions is not what I am arguing. What I am saying is that we are thought to value and respect Christianity and Jews as well as Islam.

The principles of the 3 religions are very similar as you stated Islam is the newest of the 3 so there is people who still believe in following the religion precisely. You might not get the same reaction 100-200 years from now just like 80 years ago in the US you might have seen riots in this country if there were disrespectful cartoons of Jesus.

The time were in is another factor. we have constant troops in the Middle east not just now going back to the 80s. I remember in an interview an Iraqi woman once said to the reporter “you have your ships of our shores with their guns pointed at us how would you feel about us if we did the same”. I think she has a valid point. Then take in to factor that our president (who speaks about his Christian God) decides to invade a country for no reason. All that and every thing else that has happened puts people on the edge.

If I went to a Middle Eastern country and told them the US wants to invade and convert you it doesn’t sound so far fetched as it might have 5-10 years ago.

People are on edge. Even if IMHO I think the best reaction to a distasteful cartoon would be no reaction I can see why there is a lot of POed Muslims.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[outrager 6]

Yo !

This discussion has come a full circle. You are as stubborn as those poor Muslims with their Prophet cartoons - which was the original point of the thread. Thus, end of discussion.

bsbd!

Yuri.

[christelsabine 1]

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I don't know why the Moslems should feel insulted by anybody's cartoons when you look at the virulently anti-Semitic cartoons they run in their Arab language newspapers. Not a day has gone by in years, no decades, that there hasn't been some daily cartoon of hook nosed, beady eyed, money grubbing jewish characters stabbing somebody in the back. So this is "acceptable" ? Apparently they think it's "normal".

I often wonder whatever went wron with the Moslems. Time was when they were the leading civilizatrion in terms of art, architecture, science, medicine, poetry and literature. At a time when Europe was crawling through the mud of the Dark Ages. What on earth happened to these people, that all they can do anymore is rant and rave and want to kill everybody. They treat their women like livestock and when they're not busy killing Westerners, they delight in killing each ohter. WTF, over ??

Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity !

[Darius11 12]

REALLY.

Care to post any anti-Semitic cartoons and the papers they were in?

Again anti-Semitic not anti Israeli government.

I would love to see if there is any cartoons making fun of Moses in a paper that was printed in an Islamic state.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Darius11 12]

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I often wonder whatever went wron with the Moslems. Time was when they were the leading civilizatrion in terms of art, architecture, science, medicine, poetry and literature. At a time when Europe was crawling through the mud of the Dark Ages. What on earth happened to these people, that all they can do anymore is rant and rave and want to kill everybody.

Simple answere:The industrial revolution and they found oil.

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They treat their women like livestock and when they're not busy killing Westerners, they delight in killing each ohter. WTF, over ??

I know we are so much better and we have somehow got most of are women to accept that they are nothing but fuck toys. And if you’re ugly and don’t have DD boobies you are worth shit. I know we are so much more civilized so much that people spend thousands of dollars to look like Barbie.

Oh yea show us your boobies so we can climb another 1000 feet great respect we hold for our woman.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[SpeedRacer 1]

Arabs ARE Semites.

Speed Racer
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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I would love to see if there is any cartoons making fun of Moses in a paper that was printed in an Islamic state.

I'd love to see if there are any cartoons (or even just articles) written by WOMEN printed in an Islamic state.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[rehmwa 2]

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Rights are something to be proud of and exercised responsibly.

I can agree with that statement and also believe firmly that rights are rights are rights, and there is no OBLIGATION to exercise them responsibly. Once limits are placed, rights morph into privileges.

Who do you think is advocating the government establish limits? Society can do it better by supporting idiots rights to rant in stupid ways and then we completely ignore them. It's culture, not law that will improve the way men and women exercise their rights.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants