peacefuljeffrey 0 #26 February 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm just curious - the last time you came face to face with a nut with a hatchet and gun, and you were unarmed, did you rush over and decide to engage him, unarmed? If someone started hacking up your friends at the DZ, would your reaction be to run away, rather than to try and stop the attack and save your friends? No, and I'm not even having SEX with my friends at the DZ! (much less anal sex!) --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #27 February 3, 2006 Quote (much less anal sex!) - Objection, your honor... relevance. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #28 February 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteI'm just curious - the last time you came face to face with a nut with a hatchet and gun, and you were unarmed, did you rush over and decide to engage him, unarmed? I'm just curious -- how would a person swinging a 5-foot-long cue stick at (at a guy who at the time had a hatchet the size of a hammer) qualify as "unarmed"? - Even more curious, now that someone bothered to find another source on the story and we find they DID try to stop him, you don't seem to be calling them pansies as much.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #29 February 3, 2006 QuoteIn the thread (quoted above) about the postal worker who killed 7 people with a gun earlier in the week, you didn't bitch at all about the 40 other people in the post office and you didn't ask why none of them had disarmed her, did you? You argued that if they had been armed too, it may have been prevented, didn't you? This reeks of hypocrisy and bullshit You don't seem to be very well able to analyze similarities and differences in what you read. In that thread, I was focused on the notion that someone on a shooting rampage is best opposed by would-be victims who have their own guns -- especially those who have had advance warning that a rampage is taking place (sounds of shots fired, advancing closer, etc.) In this case, in the closed quarters of a bar, a guy began an attack with a hatchet and the gun did not come into play until after he made his violent intentions known. The time to stop him would have been then. But even once the gun was presented, one, two, three guys rushing him could have worked wonders. One grabs the gun arm, points it at the ceiling. Others weigh him/drag him to the ground, pummel him, subdue him, hold him for the police. The lady in the post office did not walk in holding a pointed stick before suddenly shooting everyone. The situations appear to have been very different. On top of all that, if the bartender had such a bad feeling about this guy from the start, maybe he should have had someone "watch him closely, he's acting funny." Then that person could have been on-edge, ready to respond with force if necessary. For the record, what I bitched about in the first story was that due to idiotic laws, no one was able to be legally armed so that they could have SHOT that bitch, forget about DISARMING her. And someone should have been able to shoot this gaybashing psycho, too, as a matter of fact. Laws that disarm the good people do no one any good, except for the bad people. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #30 February 3, 2006 QuoteQuote (much less anal sex!) - Objection, your honor... relevance. It's more... intimate. Hence, one would have more of a protectionist bond with one's anal sex partners? Maybe? I dunno... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #31 February 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteThis reeks of hypocrisy and bullshit It's a familiar smell. You've found by now, I take it, that you can't wash it off yourself, huh? Explains the familiarity. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
unformed 0 #32 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuote (much less anal sex!) - Objection, your honor... relevance. It's more... intimate. Hence, one would have more of a protectionist bond with one's anal sex partners? Maybe? I dunno... - Not necessarily. I'd say that most of those I know who have had anal sex partners weren't exactly in caring relationships.This ad space for sale. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #33 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteQuoteI'm just curious - the last time you came face to face with a nut with a hatchet and gun, and you were unarmed, did you rush over and decide to engage him, unarmed? I'm just curious -- how would a person swinging a 5-foot-long cue stick at (at a guy who at the time had a hatchet the size of a hammer) qualify as "unarmed"? - Even more curious, now that someone bothered to find another source on the story and we find they DID try to stop him, you don't seem to be calling them pansies as much. Wouldn't want to address the fact that I asked a very valid question just there, huh? I'd say it seems that not enough of these patrons tried to stop him, nor did they act soon enough. The fact that the bartender picked up a phone instead of rushing to pick up a bottle, bat, cue stick (what bartender doesn't have a deal-breaker behind the bar of some sort? Oh, a gay one?), but instead picked up a phone and told everyone to hustle out of there. (Gay bar? "Hustle"? Hahahaa! ) Perhaps the ones who attempted to stop the guy (ones? one?) were not pansies. The rest of them? Yeah, pretty much. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #34 February 4, 2006 yupl, ya got me dead bang. I love arm chair quarterbacks. You are the best ever. So much excitement.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #35 February 4, 2006 Quoteyupl, ya got me dead bang. I love arm chair quarterbacks. You are the best ever. So much excitement. You should see me attempt to take a thee-way Horny Gorilla out the door of the Otter! --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #36 February 4, 2006 QuoteIt's more... intimate. Hence, one would have more of a protectionist bond with one's anal sex partners? Maybe? I dunno... - Hmm... I still say irrelevant. How often are you in a bar in which everyone is your sex partner? Or even more than one person in the bar? A bar is a bar is a bar... it's a collection of people who, more often than not, don't know each other or don't know everyone, and who, most likely, they are not having sex with, anal or otherwise. /sits back and waits for the "but the butt-fucking homos are different" defense. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #37 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteIt's more... intimate. Hence, one would have more of a protectionist bond with one's anal sex partners? Maybe? I dunno... - Hmm... I still say irrelevant. How often are you in a bar in which everyone is your sex partner? ME? Never. But hey, we're talkin' about a gay bar, here... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #38 February 4, 2006 Oh, the irony. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #39 February 4, 2006 QuoteOh, the irony. No no no, come on, explain. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #40 February 4, 2006 QuoteQuoteOh, the irony. No no no, come on, explain. For god's sake Krisanne, don't. Those of us who will get it already get it and the others are just fighting for the joy of drawing blood. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #41 February 4, 2006 Give me some credit, dear. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #42 February 4, 2006 Just as I thought. Too chicken shit to lay it plain. The real irony is that narcimund clearly doesn't get the joke I made. Either that, or he relates too closely with it. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
altichick 1 #43 February 4, 2006 Quote Do we know that the bar was "busy, dark"? That was what they said on the news... though you obviously know you can't take a new report at face value Anyway - there's other threads for discussing guns - and i think all this has been said there plenty of times Don't sweat the petty things... and don't pet the sweaty things! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #44 February 4, 2006 Actually in a different newspaper I saw today, there was a more thorough report, and it said that a few people DID try to "stop" the guy -- and that was when he shot a few of them. I guess maybe it was a melee and hard to pin the guy down. He looks like a chunky boy, maybe he was stronger than the others. Maybe I jumped the gun on calling them all cowards; it was all the news I had been privy to at the time about the subject. I guess we'll learn more as time goes on. Maybe this is all part of the plan of the cosmos to teach me patience and tranquility... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #45 February 4, 2006 Unfortunately, we have to endure the moment to moment commentary of this karmic journey. "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #46 February 4, 2006 QuoteUnfortunately, we have to endure the moment to moment commentary of this karmic journey. Really. Who's forcing you to read anything with my name on it? --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mdrejhon 8 #47 February 4, 2006 QuoteActually in a different newspaper I saw today, there was a more thorough report, and it said that a few people DID try to "stop" the guy -- and that was when he shot a few of them.It's CNN after all. Enough said. At least it wasn't FOX News *ducks to dodge flamethrower fireball* But that aside. Damn shame it happened. I hate to see stuff like this happen. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #48 February 5, 2006 QuoteJacob D. Robida, 18, died at 3:38 a.m. Sunday at Cox-South Hospital in Springfield, Mo., suspected of a hatchet-and-gun attack in a Massachusetts gay bar and in the fatal shooting of two people died Sunday morning after he was critically wounded in a gun battle with Arkansas police, authorities said http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060205/ap_on_re_us/gay_bar_shooting http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11146480/ Apparently he has a myspace account under the user ID of Jake Jekyll. Gee... the front page has a photo of him in his ICP (Insane Clown Posse) make-up. The little Juggalo even specifies his murder weapon as a Hatchet. Inspired by the music. "Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #49 February 5, 2006 QuoteJacob D. Robida, 18, died at 3:38 a.m. Sunday at Cox-South Hospital in Springfield, Mo., No no no. This thread isn't about the attacker. It's about criticizing the victims. Please start a new thread if you want to discuss the event itself. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NWFlyer 2 #50 February 6, 2006 Once again, you've missed the whole point of the thread. "There is only one basic human right, the right to do as you damn well please. And with it comes the only basic human duty, the duty to take the consequences." -P.J. O'Rourke Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
