windcatcher 0 #1 February 3, 2006 Okay, so on another skydiving ( private) forum, I was having a discussion with some people about God. One person found the term "nonbeliever" to be offensive. ( I was referring to nonbelievers in the thread, as those who aren't born-again Christian/saved). Now, in trying to find an all together politically correct term in distinguishing someone who is a Christian and someone who is not, I asked about using the term "antiChrist." In essence, isn't someone who doesn't believe God's word or anything it says about Jesus----------> Anti-Christ? Joking aside, what do you think? For those who it would bother, please explain*********************DISCLAIMER: By the way, I am not calling non Christians anti-Christs in this post. Just trying to figure out where people stand. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #2 February 3, 2006 So do you really beleive that only those who are born again are saved???? Some actually beleived and learned and followed what Christ taught from the start. You either believe and follow and are a believer or you are not... THE Anticrist is far different than those who would bash Christianity...ie BE... anti- Christ. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #3 February 3, 2006 (answered 'couldn't care less) I think pagan or heathen is perfect good way to refer to me. non-believer seems a tad pretentious, but otherwise is a fine descriptor. Anti-christ implies equilivent to Satan to me, ie, very evil. If I took the remark seriously, I'd probably be offended, but more likely I'm just going to laugh at you for equating atheist to satan. btw, if they're not born agains (ie, Mormons or other Christians), are they still AntiChrist to you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
point_code 0 #4 February 3, 2006 "Anti-Christian" may be a less offensive term. I think many people equate the term "Antichrist" with satan. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
MC208B 0 #5 February 3, 2006 here we go again! Bet a lot of anti Christ folks jump on this Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #6 February 3, 2006 ...and Born-Again Fundies wonder why the rest of us find them supremely irritating...Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #7 February 3, 2006 Ya know, the question was hypothetical, and you don't have to read Christian threads that irritate you!! Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #8 February 3, 2006 QuoteSo do you really beleive that only those who are born again are saved???? QuoteNow there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' John 3:1-7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #9 February 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo do you really beleive that only those who are born again are saved???? QuoteNow there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' John 3:1-7 Doesn't sound like the KJV...what would Bill Cole say/do???Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #10 February 3, 2006 I prefer pagan. Given that our cultural understanding of the antichrist is "bad," it would seem intended to insult. Given that the dictionary says it means "an enemy of Christ," it would probably be overkill for most of us pagans. Me, I just think you're trying to start another neverending thread. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #11 February 3, 2006 I think you should leave Bill Cole alone. And if Christians are so irritating, why do you continue to read/post to their threads?????????????? edited to add: RL, I wasn't trying to start another one, honestly! Pajarito to the resuce! Thanks Paj Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RMURRAY 1 #12 February 3, 2006 I would be afraid it might affect my chances of getting that promotion at work....or maybe my 4 way team would disband for no reason.... rm Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ExAFO 0 #13 February 3, 2006 QuoteI think you should leave Bill Cole alone. And if Christians are so irritating, why do you continue to read/post to their threads?????????????? edited to add: RL, I wasn't trying to start another one, honestly! Well, I did not say all Christians are irriatating. I am a Christian (recovering Catholic/still not settled on a new denom...). It's closed-minded/big-mouthed Fundies (odd how those traits go hand-in hand) that are supremely irritating.Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #14 February 3, 2006 Here's my "other": I would take it as a compliment coming from someone who believes that I'm going to suffer for eternity for not believing what he/she does. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #15 February 3, 2006 QuoteYa know, the question was hypothetical, and you don't have to read Christian threads that irritate you!! a. What about it, exactly, is hypothetical? b. If you ask a question of non-Christians, who better to respond than...non-Christians. This isn't a "Christian thread," Sarah. It's a "stir the shit" thread. And that's fine, just so long as we're clear about what's going on here. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #16 February 3, 2006 QuoteDoesn't sound like the KJV...what would Bill Cole say/do??? Means the same to me from either. New International Version QuoteNow there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' John 3:1-7 King James Version QuoteThere was a man of the Pharisees, named Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews: The same came to Jesus by night, and said unto him, Rabbi, we know that thou art a teacher come from God: for no man can do these miracles that thou doest, except God be with him. Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. John 3:1-7 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #18 February 3, 2006 Hence the tradition of baptism for the young... I know the baptists are all into the whole pool thing.. but there is a LOT more to it than that. I still do not see where it means all the trappings of religeon to be saved... with all the appropriate keywords... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
diablopilot 2 #19 February 3, 2006 QuoteThis isn't a "Christian thread," Sarah. It's a "stir the shit" thread. And that's fine, just so long as we're clear about what's going on here. False alarm....someone decided to pick up their toys and go home.---------------------------------------------- You're not as good as you think you are. Seriously. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jenfly00 0 #20 February 3, 2006 QuoteQuoteSo do you really beleive that only those who are born again are saved???? QuoteNow there was a man of the Pharisees named Nicodemus, a member of the Jewish ruling council. He came to Jesus at night and said, "Rabbi, we know you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the miraculous signs you are doing if God were not with him." In reply Jesus declared, "I tell you the truth, no one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again." "How can a man be born when he is old?" Nicodemus asked. "Surely he cannot enter a second time into his mother's womb to be born!" Jesus answered, "I tell you the truth, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless he is born of water and the Spirit. Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit. You should not be surprised at my saying, 'You must be born again.' John 3:1-7 "Nothing can save you from me! I am invincible! I am doom itself!" - Donald Duck----------------------- "O brave new world that has such people in it". Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #21 February 3, 2006 QuoteFalse alarm....someone decided to pick up their toys and go home. That was weird. But I really didn't understand the point. There's a perfectly good word that has been used for years for those who are not Christian. I cannot imagine why someone would think "antiChrist" is a good substitute, particularly for those who don't much care either way as long as they're not bothered by those who want to save their souls. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #22 February 3, 2006 but it really should be "I couldn't care less." I did check that box, but only after much worry that I might be misunderstood by the believers... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #23 February 3, 2006 Yeah for keeping deleted threads rolling!Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 3 #24 February 3, 2006 Quote Poll: Post deleted by windcatcher WTF? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #25 February 3, 2006 Is pagen a single religion or a umbrella term covering many belife systems?When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
