tumbler 0 #1 February 2, 2006 I watched on NBC nightly news last night a video of what I think was an LAPD officer put three bullets into a 22 year old guy home on military leave. The video seemed to show he was a passenger in a car that was pulled over. The video clearly shows him doing what the officer told him to. The kid explained he was in the military police with the air force and was only trying to help. On the video you can hear someon say “Get up” and as he starts to rise the cop shoots him three times… chest, leg and shoulder. They had the guys wife on saying he was in serious but stable condition. From everything that was on that video I believe that officer should be charged with attempted murder. Amazingly, in all my searches this morning I cannot find anything on this anywhere. No CNN, no MSNBC and nothing comes up on Google. Did anyone else see this? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
labrys 0 #2 February 2, 2006 http://www.localnewsleader.com/elytimes/stories/index.php?action=fullnews&id=135351Owned by Remi #? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
warpedskydiver 0 #3 February 2, 2006 It was on fox news and the FBI is looking into civil rights violation. I am of the opinion that if the man is guilty of what we see and are told happened he should receive the same fate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #4 February 2, 2006 Thanks Labrys... it may have been a little grainy and dark but it was clear enough.... He shot that poor kid for no damn reason. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Erroll 80 #5 February 2, 2006 QuoteIt was on fox news and the FBI is looking into civil rights violation. I am of the opinion that if the man is guilty of what we see and are told happened he should receive the same fate. I wonder if this is the start of the genocide? Hey, PJ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #6 February 2, 2006 http://www.ogrish.com/archives/soldier_shot_by_sheriffs_deputy_Feb_01_2006.html Just a friendly game of baseball. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #7 February 2, 2006 So much for cooperation! I think, it's going to get really ugly, for the cop who did the shooting. Helluva 'welcome home' for the Air Cop! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #8 February 2, 2006 Yeah, that video asks alot of questions of the officer. Unless he genuinely believed he saw something. Videos too poor to make out if the lad was handcuffed or not. Either way. Looks like excessive use of force! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
craddock 0 #9 February 2, 2006 Yes I watched it also last night. I won't try to explain what I was feeling after I saw that cop shoot the kid. From what I saw it was Attempted Murder. Edited to add Attempted. That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #10 February 2, 2006 QuoteYeah, that video asks alot of questions of the officer. Unless he genuinely believed he saw something. Videos too poor to make out if the lad was handcuffed or not. Either way. Looks like excessive use of force! ___________________________________ I've seen the video, several times and just as the cop is telling the man to 'get up', the man raises a hand and at that point, the officer fired at him. I could hear the man also say at one point; "I'm on your side!" Also, if you listen real close to the cop's voice, he sounds like he's 'lost it' or very scared. there's something about the tone of his voice. This is going to be a case to watch closely. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #11 February 2, 2006 QuoteI've seen the video, several times and just as the cop is telling the man to 'get up', the man raises a hand and at that point, the officer fired at him. I could hear the man also say at one point; "I'm on your side!" Also, if you listen real close to the cop's voice, he sounds like he's 'lost it' or very scared. there's something about the tone of his voice. This is going to be a case to watch closely. Yes. It will be very interesting. Paticularly from what your saying. Impact factors can be used to justify force. For example if officer felt scared or threatened or other guy was bigger than him etc. But a gun not too sure thats justiifed. If anyone find out any more please let us know! Im not justifying his actions at all because from what we've seen its crazy. Lets see what the enquiry says Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #12 February 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteI've seen the video, several times and just as the cop is telling the man to 'get up', the man raises a hand and at that point, the officer fired at him. I could hear the man also say at one point; "I'm on your side!" Also, if you listen real close to the cop's voice, he sounds like he's 'lost it' or very scared. there's something about the tone of his voice. This is going to be a case to watch closely. Yes. It will be very interesting. Paticularly from what your saying. Impact factors can be used to justify force. For example if officer felt scared or threatened or other guy was bigger than him etc. But a gun not too sure thats justiifed. If anyone find out any more please let us know! Im not justifying his actions at all because from what we've seen its crazy. Lets see what the enquiry says ________________________________________ I question the fact that both occupants of the 'vette, were un-armed and the use of 'deadly force' by the cop. The officer does/should have access to such things as pepper spray, baton, 5-cell flashlight etc. One thing, we have to keep in mind is, none of us was there and the video isn't the greatest in the world. We can conjure all kinds of things up but, our best bet is wait for the final 'word' on the matter. This is going to be interesting. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #13 February 2, 2006 Isn't it illegal in California to record police activity? If it isn't yet, it will be. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites tumbler 0 #14 February 2, 2006 The cop did seem a little jittery but that kid was doing exactly what he was told to do... and not just one bullet but to pull the trigger three times. Damn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites eflynn 0 #15 February 2, 2006 Main Source. Tight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rick 67 #16 February 2, 2006 very disturbing I am anxious to hear what the hell the cop was thinking!You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterrig 1 #17 February 2, 2006 QuoteThe cop did seem a little jittery but that kid was doing exactly what he was told to do... and not just one bullet but to pull the trigger three times. Damn. _____________________________________ The part about the cop being 'jittery', got me too. His nerves probably, hadn't 'settled-down' from the 100-mph chase through a residential area. Had the 'vette not hit a brick wall, no telling what may have happened. The officer's adrenilin was certainly... up! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites genoyamamoto 0 #18 February 2, 2006 QuoteIsn't it illegal in California to record police activity? If it isn't yet, it will be. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites wmw999 2,589 #19 February 2, 2006 QuoteIm not justifying his actions at all because from what we've seen its crazy. Lets see what the enquiry saysThat's a wonderful post. He might even have been totally wrong, but really really scared and amped up. Good opportunity to learn. Or it might be there's more to the story. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites lawrocket 3 #20 February 2, 2006 It doesn't matter what the facts are, unfortunately. Regardless of the results of the investigations, this cop is through. Regardless of the outcome of the investigations, there will be a lawsuit. Regardless of the outcome of the investigations, there will be political gold to be mined. Regardless of the outcome of the investigations, those who seek divisiveness will prevail. It looks to me like this cop didn't do it right. It looks to me that this cop was amped up and far too on edge. Perhaps this is a training issue. Perhaps it's a problem with this cop's personality. Perhaps due to adrenaline, this cop just lost it. Or, perhaps, this cop honestly and reasonably believed that he was in imminent danger. Unfortunately, cops still face problems when they cap a guy who pulled a fake gun on them, i.e., "suicide by cop" wherein those who have nothing to live for or give their family can at least provide a wrongful death lawsuit). Unfortunately, this is gonna get big, and Daryl Gates isn't around to blame anymore. WHo will take the blame on this one? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites genoyamamoto 0 #21 February 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteIm not justifying his actions at all because from what we've seen its crazy. Lets see what the enquiry saysThat's a wonderful post. He might even have been totally wrong, but really really scared and amped up. Good opportunity to learn. Or it might be there's more to the story. Wendy W. Whether his intent was malicious or it was just poor judgement in a high-stress situation, I do not want him carrying a gun. Either way he's proven that he can't handle the power and responsibility of being an officer. He needs the "bowling" talk. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #22 February 2, 2006 Just remember there is always a story to be told. Admittadely the camera never lies, but it also doesnt explain the full circumstances. AS im sure we all know, it situations of hig stress you can become 'amped up' and get tunnel vision. Say for example you were on a high speed pursuit and theeir appeared to be total disregard fro publics safety. You are also risking your life and limb to catch them. Say for instance, during the pursit you thought a weapon was seen you'd be pretty psyched up then. Same goes for soldiers who shoot at shadows because they are so pumped up at being in a firefight. I have to agree that I would question his suitability based on what I have seen and also believe he may be facing criminal charges but unless you were there in their mental state at the time, its difficult to comment. Ive sort of been there, luckily we dont have firearms, pursuit at rush hour. Wrong side of road, car full of joy riders. Take the rural roads and crash. Im so full of adrenaline and anger that I sprint to the crashed car (dont even notice that the dog has been deployed and run straight in front of it) and drag the driver and a passenger out the car. They all end up getting slam dunked into the tarmac for their efforts and dont get any sympathy when they complain that cuffs are too tight etc It does funny things, but ultimately its the individual officer that has to justify their actions to the courts. If found guilty of excessive force, youll face an assault charge like any one else, or in the case of firearms officers (all in the US) attempt murder/murder/manslaughter EDIT TO ADD: But 3 shots, what was he a suicide bomber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites genoyamamoto 0 #23 February 2, 2006 Yeah I know. It's bad all around, no matter what the underlying circumstances/motives were. Upside is nobody died in this incident. BTW, I hear the Israelis train for headshots with suspected suicide bombers so as not to set the explosives off. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Scoop 0 #24 February 2, 2006 So do we ala Charles DeMendazazazazaz or whatever his name was. Repeatedly shoot them in the head. Ask questions later. Another dodgy situation but thats another story QuoteUpside is noone died AGREED! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Michele 1 #25 February 2, 2006 Just so we're clear (as there have been two posts which indicate it's LAPD), from what I understand, it was the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department, and the shooting took place in Chino Hills (which is not LAPD's jurisdiction). 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masterrig 1 #12 February 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteI've seen the video, several times and just as the cop is telling the man to 'get up', the man raises a hand and at that point, the officer fired at him. I could hear the man also say at one point; "I'm on your side!" Also, if you listen real close to the cop's voice, he sounds like he's 'lost it' or very scared. there's something about the tone of his voice. This is going to be a case to watch closely. Yes. It will be very interesting. Paticularly from what your saying. Impact factors can be used to justify force. For example if officer felt scared or threatened or other guy was bigger than him etc. But a gun not too sure thats justiifed. If anyone find out any more please let us know! Im not justifying his actions at all because from what we've seen its crazy. Lets see what the enquiry says ________________________________________ I question the fact that both occupants of the 'vette, were un-armed and the use of 'deadly force' by the cop. The officer does/should have access to such things as pepper spray, baton, 5-cell flashlight etc. One thing, we have to keep in mind is, none of us was there and the video isn't the greatest in the world. We can conjure all kinds of things up but, our best bet is wait for the final 'word' on the matter. This is going to be interesting. Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #13 February 2, 2006 Isn't it illegal in California to record police activity? If it isn't yet, it will be. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tumbler 0 #14 February 2, 2006 The cop did seem a little jittery but that kid was doing exactly what he was told to do... and not just one bullet but to pull the trigger three times. Damn. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
eflynn 0 #15 February 2, 2006 Main Source. Tight. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick 67 #16 February 2, 2006 very disturbing I am anxious to hear what the hell the cop was thinking!You can't be drunk all day if you don't start early! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterrig 1 #17 February 2, 2006 QuoteThe cop did seem a little jittery but that kid was doing exactly what he was told to do... and not just one bullet but to pull the trigger three times. Damn. _____________________________________ The part about the cop being 'jittery', got me too. His nerves probably, hadn't 'settled-down' from the 100-mph chase through a residential area. Had the 'vette not hit a brick wall, no telling what may have happened. The officer's adrenilin was certainly... up! Chuck Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #18 February 2, 2006 QuoteIsn't it illegal in California to record police activity? If it isn't yet, it will be. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #19 February 2, 2006 QuoteIm not justifying his actions at all because from what we've seen its crazy. Lets see what the enquiry saysThat's a wonderful post. He might even have been totally wrong, but really really scared and amped up. Good opportunity to learn. Or it might be there's more to the story. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #20 February 2, 2006 It doesn't matter what the facts are, unfortunately. Regardless of the results of the investigations, this cop is through. Regardless of the outcome of the investigations, there will be a lawsuit. Regardless of the outcome of the investigations, there will be political gold to be mined. Regardless of the outcome of the investigations, those who seek divisiveness will prevail. It looks to me like this cop didn't do it right. It looks to me that this cop was amped up and far too on edge. Perhaps this is a training issue. Perhaps it's a problem with this cop's personality. Perhaps due to adrenaline, this cop just lost it. Or, perhaps, this cop honestly and reasonably believed that he was in imminent danger. Unfortunately, cops still face problems when they cap a guy who pulled a fake gun on them, i.e., "suicide by cop" wherein those who have nothing to live for or give their family can at least provide a wrongful death lawsuit). Unfortunately, this is gonna get big, and Daryl Gates isn't around to blame anymore. WHo will take the blame on this one? My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #21 February 2, 2006 QuoteQuoteIm not justifying his actions at all because from what we've seen its crazy. Lets see what the enquiry saysThat's a wonderful post. He might even have been totally wrong, but really really scared and amped up. Good opportunity to learn. Or it might be there's more to the story. Wendy W. Whether his intent was malicious or it was just poor judgement in a high-stress situation, I do not want him carrying a gun. Either way he's proven that he can't handle the power and responsibility of being an officer. He needs the "bowling" talk. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #22 February 2, 2006 Just remember there is always a story to be told. Admittadely the camera never lies, but it also doesnt explain the full circumstances. AS im sure we all know, it situations of hig stress you can become 'amped up' and get tunnel vision. Say for example you were on a high speed pursuit and theeir appeared to be total disregard fro publics safety. You are also risking your life and limb to catch them. Say for instance, during the pursit you thought a weapon was seen you'd be pretty psyched up then. Same goes for soldiers who shoot at shadows because they are so pumped up at being in a firefight. I have to agree that I would question his suitability based on what I have seen and also believe he may be facing criminal charges but unless you were there in their mental state at the time, its difficult to comment. Ive sort of been there, luckily we dont have firearms, pursuit at rush hour. Wrong side of road, car full of joy riders. Take the rural roads and crash. Im so full of adrenaline and anger that I sprint to the crashed car (dont even notice that the dog has been deployed and run straight in front of it) and drag the driver and a passenger out the car. They all end up getting slam dunked into the tarmac for their efforts and dont get any sympathy when they complain that cuffs are too tight etc It does funny things, but ultimately its the individual officer that has to justify their actions to the courts. If found guilty of excessive force, youll face an assault charge like any one else, or in the case of firearms officers (all in the US) attempt murder/murder/manslaughter EDIT TO ADD: But 3 shots, what was he a suicide bomber Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #23 February 2, 2006 Yeah I know. It's bad all around, no matter what the underlying circumstances/motives were. Upside is nobody died in this incident. BTW, I hear the Israelis train for headshots with suspected suicide bombers so as not to set the explosives off. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Scoop 0 #24 February 2, 2006 So do we ala Charles DeMendazazazazaz or whatever his name was. Repeatedly shoot them in the head. Ask questions later. Another dodgy situation but thats another story QuoteUpside is noone died AGREED! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #25 February 2, 2006 Just so we're clear (as there have been two posts which indicate it's LAPD), from what I understand, it was the San Bernardino Sheriff's Department, and the shooting took place in Chino Hills (which is not LAPD's jurisdiction). Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
