New Rifle ....I want one!!!!

[JohnRich 4]

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I think its safe to say you've lost this one JR...

Gosh, the U.S. military is so incompetent it must be a friggan miracle that they managed to save your asses in WWII.

But hey! If you distrust them so much, feel free not to call them for help next time.

[JohnRich 4]

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Federal law attaches a $200 transfer tax and mandatory registration to non-sporting firearms over .50 caliber. You can buy yourself a double chambered in .700 Nitro Express with no more paperwork than a Remington 700 although it won't go as easy on your wallet.

Okay, if guns greater than .50 caliber fall under the NFA law, then things still aren't as simple as you suggest, above. You have to pass a background check, and you also have to get approval from your local chief law enforcement officer. And that last part is the most problematic, because some of them just plain refuse to approve anything like that, no matter how squeeky clean you are. And you have no recourse to their decision, except to move to a county with a more gun-friendly sheriff.

[JohnMitchell 16]

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dude thats the funniest shit i've heard in a long time... now im sure that in the fist gulf war the british lost more troops to "freindly fire" then they did to anything else..

Wasnt there about 7 or 8 british troops in the APC that was shot by the US, owe and didnt you shoot down one of your own Black Hawks.....

Combat is not a safe enviroment. It is not a clear cut enviroment. It is not a controlled enviroment. Allied casulties from enemy fire were very light due to our warmaking ability. Despite the best efforts, friendly fire will happen in the confusion of battle, especially when you are using large amounts of firepower to overwhelm the enemy. For every friendly fire death I believe we saved dozens of deaths from enemy fire, simply by overwhelming the enemy.

[MuffDiver 0]

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So you don't trust the U.S. military to properly identify their targets before they shoot?

How about the four Canadian diplomats recently targeted?

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Remember when the military upgraded from jeeps to hummers? The civilian side had to do it too.

I'm thinking of going the next step. Instead of a hummer, I was thinking of a Bradley fighting vehicle.

You can get the Austrian version: http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/Intro.htm

Illinois needs a CCW Law. NOW.

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You can get the Austrian version: http://www.pinzgauer.uk.com/Intro.htm

In the pictures there is one with a civilian paint job that looks like a RV.

[Kinaa 0]

This was our product. But little smaller caliber.


Caliber: 20x110mm Hispano
Operation: manual operated, bolt action
Barrel: 920 mm
Weight: 19.2 kg with scope and bipod
Length: 1330 mm
Feed Mechanism: single shot, manual loading
Maximum effective range: about 1800 meters

The RT-20 was developed in the Croatia in the mid-1990s as a pure anti-materiel and anti-armor rifle. The RT-20 name means "Rucni Top, 20mm", that is "Hand Canon, 20mm". It is one of the most powerful anti-materiel rifles fielded by any army in the world today - the only others design roughly comparable to this monster in the terms of the caliber and effectiveness are the South-African NTW-20 rifle and the Finnish Helenius APH-20 (will be posted at this site later). The RT-20 had been successfully deployed during the war in the former Yugoslavia in the second half of the 1990s. It is manufacture by the Croatian company RH-Alan and is officially adopted by Croatian army.

The RT-20 is built around the very powerful 20mm ammunition, originally developed for Hispano Suiza HS404 anti-aircraft round of WW2 vintage. This ammunition is still used in anti-aircraft guns in some countries for AA guns and generally available in HE (explosive) and AP (anti-armor) loadings, both suitable for anti-material roles. The AP loading also can be successfully used against infantry fighting vehicles and armored personnel carriers. The 20x110mm round fires the 130 gram (2000 grains) projectile at muzzle velocities about 850 meters per second. This results in high terminal effectiveness but also imposes a serious problem of excessive recoil forces. The 20mm Hispano round generates about 4 times more recoil when fired from 20 kg rifle, compared to .50BMG (12.7x99mm) round, fired from 10kg rifle (such as Barrett M95). To make the recoil more or less bearable by the average shooter, the Croatian designers developed a quite interesting counter-recoil system, that uses a reactive principle. The system consist of the large reactive tube, located above the barrel. The forward end of this tube is connected to the barrel at about its middle point. The rear part of the tube forms the reactive nozzle. When gun is fired, some hot powder gases are fed from the barrel to the reactive tube and back, forming a back-blast with reactive force that cats again the recoil forces. The large muzzle brake further helps to decrease the recoil. This reactive system, once popular in large caliber (about 80 - 100 mm and bigger) recoilless rifles, almost never had been used in such relatively small weapons. This system, while effective in counter-recoil, has some disadvantages, First, it requires some special firing techniques for shooter to avoid damage from backblast. Second, due to the same reason, it hardly can be fired in confined spaces like the small building rooms, and the RT-20 cannot be fired with structures, such as walls, in close proximity to the rear.. Third, the backblast can create additional spots for enemy, giving away the position of the rifle.

The rest of the system is relatively simple. The rotating bolt locks the barrel by three massive lugs. RT-20 is a single-shot rifle and thus have no magazine. The shoulder rest and the pistol handle with trigger are located under the barrel, so rifle is obviously a bullpup. The RT-20 has no open sights, instead it had an telescope optical sight, mounted on the barrel and offset to the left.

[steve1 5]

What a weapon! I'm wondering how much back blast this rifle has. I fired a 3.5 inch rocket launcher once. Talk about back blast. If you were standing directly behind it, you'd probably be dead. One time our instructors stacked some wooden crates behind a guy firing one of these, and shreds of wood went flying everywhere. I would imagine this weapon has some similiar dangers if you weren't careful....Steve1

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Federal law attaches a $200 transfer tax and mandatory registration to non-sporting firearms over .50 caliber. You can buy yourself a double chambered in .700 Nitro Express with no more paperwork than a Remington 700 although it won't go as easy on your wallet.

Okay, if guns greater than .50 caliber fall under the NFA law, then things still aren't as simple as you suggest, above. You have to pass a background check, and you also have to get approval from your local chief law enforcement officer. And that last part is the most problematic, because some of them just plain refuse to approve anything like that, no matter how squeeky clean you are. And you have no recourse to their decision, except to move to a county with a more gun-friendly sheriff.

From 26 USC, section 5845:

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(f) Destructive device
The term ''destructive device'' means (1) any explosive,
incendiary, or poison gas (A) bomb, (B) grenade, (C) rocket having
a propellent charge of more than four ounces, (D) missile having an
explosive or incendiary charge of more than one-quarter ounce, (E)
mine, or (F) similar device; (2) any type of weapon by whatever
name known which will, or which may be readily converted to, expel
a projectile by the action of an explosive or other propellant, the
barrel or barrels of which have a bore of more than one-half inch
in diameter, except a shotgun or shotgun shell which the Secretary
finds is generally recognized as particularly suitable for sporting
purposes; and (3) any combination of parts either designed or
intended for use in converting any device into a destructive device
as defined in subparagraphs (1) and (2) and from which a
destructive device may be readily assembled.

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