JohnRich 4 #51 January 26, 2006 QuoteOne eyed narrow mindedness does not equate to being right and just I see. Anyone who disagrees with you is practicing one-eyed narrow mindness. That judgement itself, is a good demonstration of one-eyed narrow mindness. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #52 January 26, 2006 QuoteJohn, in California, they recently made the .50 rifle illegal. I don't know if they specified ".50 and larger". I suspect this new rifle will be legal here. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, you are incorrect. Federal law prohibits any modern firearm over .50 caliber, and has for some time. So naturally, the gun control freaks want to nibble away at the edges of what's legal, so they decided to ban the .50's. But that's a state law only, and they're trying to do it in other states too. They think some guns are too small, and others are too big, sort of like Goldilocks and her porridge. And if they keep banning things on both ends of the spectrum, then what's still legal in the middle gets more and more narrow. After they've convinced everyone that .50's are too dangerous to own, then they'll readjust their goals and they'll be coming for those evil .308 sniper rifles that can kill someone from a mile away (i.e. deer rifles). I'm sure some California gunsmith will soon introduce the .498 caliber rifle to replace what was banned. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
steve1 5 #53 January 26, 2006 QuoteYou haven't seen the video of what the .50cal does at a distance. There is one going around the Internet for a while now. It shows the target and then it shows the target in pieces all over the place. Quite disturbing. I saw probably the same video. It looked very similiar to hunting rock chucks (if you've ever done that with hollow point bullets in a varmit rifle). Yes, it was disturbing. It made me wonder if the 50 cal. bullets that they were using were some variety of hollow point. I wouldn't think a full metal jacket could do that kind of damage. I mean pieces of enemy soldiers were actually flying ten feet in the air. This new sniper rifle looks good, but it sure doesn't sound too portable. The lighter 50 cal. rifles also look big and heavy. But, "holy cow!" , their effective range, armor piercing ability, and nock down power are truly amazing. It would be fun to shoot a shoulder-fired 50 some time, but I doubt if I'd ever take one hunting. And yes, it is legal to hunt with one here in Montana (at least I have heard of it being done)....Steve1 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
DrewEckhardt 0 #54 January 26, 2006 QuoteQuoteJohn, in California, they recently made the .50 rifle illegal. I don't know if they specified ".50 and larger". I suspect this new rifle will be legal here. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Yes, you are incorrect. Federal law prohibits any modern firearm over .50 caliber, and has for some time. Federal law attaches a $200 transfer tax and mandatory registration to non-sporting firearms over .50 caliber. You can buy yourself a double chambered in .700 Nitro Express with no more paperwork than a Remington 700 although it won't go as easy on your wallet. If you can handle the hassle you can even have a 20mm Lahti anti-tank rifle. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #55 January 27, 2006 Quote..and more British soldiers killed. The IRA rather effectively used a couple of Barretts for many years in Northern Ireland. Sorry to hear that. Hopefully the political struggle causing that violence will be solved someday. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnMitchell 16 #56 January 27, 2006 QuoteI .50 Sniper Rifle? It basically blows your shoulder out of it's socket every time you shoot it, and if you were to shoot an animal with that cannon it would probably blow the damn thing up. Nope. See the angular sheet metal on the muzzle? That's the blast deflectors. On the .50 and the 25mm they deflect muzzle blast backwards, reducing the recoil to that of maybe a .30-'06. The noise is horrendous, though. You must wear ear protection. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #57 January 27, 2006 Quote..and more British soldiers killed. The IRA rather effectively used a couple of Barretts for many years in Northern Ireland. If they British gov't would let go of northern Ireland this would be a mute point. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #58 January 27, 2006 Quotemute point. Moot point? A mute point is a mime trapped in an invisible glass box.--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tr027 0 #59 January 27, 2006 Quote If that is your criteria for allowing a soldier to shoot his weapon in war, then the soldiers are all doomed. There are no perfect guarantees in anything, especially war. You might as well call for us to surrender now. Oh, and the cops can all resign too - let the criminals take over. So, once we've banished the Army, Navy, Air Force and Marines, because war isn't perfect, what then? When Al Queda or the Russkies move in to take over, are you gonna trust them to be perfect for America? Well, there would still be the Coast Guard.. You forgot the most effective means of fighting crime and conducting wars. Whistles and letters. Blow a whistle, and threaten to blow it again if the evil-doer persists, OR (even harsher) we could get upset, and write them a letter telling them how upset we are! Of course, those measures are considered a bit heavy-handed these days... "The evil of the world is made possible by nothing but the sanction you give it. " -John Galt from Atlas Shrugged, 1957 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AggieDave 6 #60 January 27, 2006 You know what saved the Soviet Union from millions of deaths due to fighting Germany off in the 1940s? The non-agression pact that was signed between the two countries in 1939. Deplomacy worked like a champ and saved millions of lives. What? Oh. --"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyPsycho 0 #61 January 27, 2006 QuoteI love guns just as much as the next guy. I have two Colt 1991-A1's, both Commander and Government models. I have a Glock 26 9mm, and a Para Ordnance Warthog .45. But seriously, what the fuck are you going to do with a .50 Sniper Rifle? It basically blows your shoulder out of it's socket every time you shoot it, and if you were to shoot an animal with that cannon it would probably blow the damn thing up. I guess it would be cool to have on the mantel, though why do so many have the illusion that a 50 bmg kicks hard. it actually feels no worse than a 20 g shotgun due to the size of the muzzle brake on it, which basically vents the gasses 45 degrees back and pulls the weapon forward when you fire it. i can shoot one all day long no prob. i have weapons which kick way harder that you would only put a few rounds through and then say, ok, done. _______________________________ HK MP5SD.........silence is golden Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #62 January 27, 2006 Quote So you don't trust the U.S. military to properly identify their targets before they shoot? dude thats the funniest shit i've heard in a long time... now im sure that in the fist gulf war the british lost more troops to "freindly fire" then they did to anything else.. Wasnt there about 7 or 8 british troops in the APC that was shot by the US, owe and didnt you shoot down one of your own Black Hawks.....----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kmcguffee 0 #63 January 27, 2006 QuoteAnd more lives of other nations lost... There's always two sides... That's not two sides. That's the point of the matter. To quote from the movie Patton: QuoteI want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won it by making the other poor, dumb bastard die for his country And if you enter a war, you should win it. That encourages people not to pick fights with you in the future and far fewer of the "other nations" lives are lost. Simple concept really. "Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain and most fools do." Ben Franklin Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #64 January 27, 2006 QuoteYou know what saved the Soviet Union from millions of deaths due to fighting Germany off in the 1940s? The non-agression pact that was signed between the two countries in 1939. Deplomacy worked like a champ and saved millions of lives. What? Oh. Oh yes, and through the same kind of talks, Neville Chamberlain achieved "peace in our time" for England! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #65 January 27, 2006 Quotethe british lost more troops to "freindly fire" then they did to anything else.. Go back and read my messages about war not being perfect. 1) Just because some rare mistakes are made, does not mean that those incidents should be used to characterize the military in general. 2) If you would ban all shooting because of the possibility of making mistakes, then the tyrants and terrorists will win. Your choice. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #66 January 28, 2006 Here ducky, ducky ducky....When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #67 January 28, 2006 QUACK ---------------QUACK -----------------------------------------------QUACK Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #68 January 28, 2006 QuoteQUACK There there now, just take it easy. A nice man will come by soon to talk and ask friendly questions. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #69 January 28, 2006 Nah never happen............. I am too old.. and too female.... but you go right ahead and enjoy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #70 January 29, 2006 QuoteMoot point? A mute point is a mime trapped in an invisible glass box. yea yea yea....I had way to much to drink when I posted that ya texan bastard you.... Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #71 January 29, 2006 BOOM,BOOM,BOOM......Gotcha! When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #72 January 29, 2006 Quote I saw probably the same video. It looked very similiar to hunting rock chucks (if you've ever done that with hollow point bullets in a varmit rifle). Yes, it was disturbing. It made me wonder if the 50 cal. bullets that they were using were some variety of hollow point. I wouldn't think a full metal jacket could do that kind of damage. I mean pieces of enemy soldiers were actually flying ten feet in the air. Accordin to the Hague convention of 1899, only ball ammo (FMJ) is allowed for use by the military. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hague_Conventions_%281899_and_1907%29 Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #73 January 29, 2006 Only if your shooting at personel. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skymedic 0 #74 January 29, 2006 Quote saw probably the same video. It looked very similiar to hunting rock chucks (if you've ever done that with hollow point bullets in a varmit rifle). Yes, it was disturbing. It made me wonder if the 50 cal. bullets that they were using were some variety of hollow point. I wouldn't think a full metal jacket could do that kind of damage. I mean pieces of enemy soldiers were actually flying ten feet in the air. Yes a 50 cal FMJ will do that to a person. It is a monster round at a high rate of velocity when it hits. It hits like a sledge hammer. Marc otherwise known as Mr.Fallinwoman.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
br0k3n 0 #75 January 30, 2006 Quote 1) Just because some "rare" mistakes are made, does not mean that those incidents should be used to characterize the military in general. . Quote AMERICAN soldiers in Iraq are being given “anti-fratricide” training to reduce the number of friendly fire attacks against British and other coalition troops.. Thirty-two “blue-on-blue” attacks on British and other coalition vehicles have been logged in the past twelve months in southern Iraq, Britain’s area of responsibility. and my favorite lines from the article have to be .... QuoteUS commanders were so worried that their men were shooting at the British because they failed to recognise the Union Jack or other distinguishing military markings that, in an unprecedented move, they asked the British Army to supply vehicles, men and flags to teach their soldiers what their allies looked like QuoteBritish troops have been given warning against approaching American convoys because of the risk of being shot at. So if it is "rare" then why the training, and 32 attacks isnt what i would call rare... I think its safe to say you've lost this one JR... The whole article is found here ----------------------------------------------------------- --+ There are 10 types of people in the world: Those who understand binary, and those who don't.. --+ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
