funks 1 #1 January 24, 2006 Rumor has it Bin Ladins recent message eluded to some sort of truce / negotiation option. Whether this is true or not, what would prevent our dipshit pres from agreeing to or arranging such talks, plan it accordingly and then when the time is right put a bullet in the appropriate persons heads sitting at the table? Yeah yeah yeah, I know most people will say that the parties we want to kill would never show their faces during such negotiations, well fuck that, we would make that one of the requirements to structuring such a deal. If we cant find the fucker any other way, why not resort to the same barbaric tactics they do? What am I missing, it obviously cant be this easy. Or can it be but we're just to chickenshit to carry out any such plan?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #2 January 24, 2006 >plan it accordingly and then when the time is right put a bullet in the > appropriate persons heads sitting at the table? Don't even bother doing that. Agree to meet him, talk to him and negotiate in good faith. Let em negotiate all he wants to from a jail cell. And if the deal he offers is "we will stop all attacks and all you have to do is let me live" - that might even be a decent deal. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #3 January 24, 2006 QuoteRumor has it Bin Ladins recent message eluded to some sort of truce / negotiation option. Whether this is true or not, what would prevent our dipshit pres from agreeing to or arranging such talks, plan it accordingly and then when the time is right put a bullet in the appropriate persons heads sitting at the table? Yeah yeah yeah, I know most people will say that the parties we want to kill would never show their faces during such negotiations, well fuck that, we would make that one of the requirements to structuring such a deal. If we cant find the fucker any other way, why not resort to the same barbaric tactics they do? What am I missing, it obviously cant be this easy. Or can it be but we're just to chickenshit to carry out any such plan??That's just not the "American Way". We like to brag to the world what we intend to do ie. like we are going to capture some Somali warlord; what a crock. It's the same thing with Bin Ladin. Imagine a press conference where the President casually says,"Look what our spooks brought me". He then rolls that bastard's head across the stage (like bowling),but thats only an adult fairy tail. It ain't gonna happen. Why can't we act just a little like the Brits. edited for spelling.Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NelKel 0 #4 January 24, 2006 And if the deal he offers is "we will stop all attacks and all you have to do is let me live" - that might even be a decent deal. <<< OBL is not the only terrorist leader, and he can not speak for others, like Hammas, or the PLO. He was just offering a truce to bait us, while we believe it "all good" it takes the pressure off of him to plan more attacks. He is a slim bag hiding in a cave. He want's out. Please do not believe he is interested in a truce. He must die._________________________________________ Someone dies, someone says how stupid, someone says it was avoidable, someone says how to avoid it, someone calls them an idiot, someone proposes rule chan Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #5 January 24, 2006 it wasn't a sincere offer on his part. No more than Bush was sincere when he made an offer to Hussein or the Taliban. He wanted some brownie points with the pacifists, and he wanted to remind the other Arabs he was still valid (at least in his own mind). Anyone else find it telling that he went audio only on this one? I bet the health isn't what it was. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #6 January 24, 2006 QuoteHe was just offering a truce to bait us, while we believe it "all good" it takes the pressure off of him to plan more attacks. He is a slim bag hiding in a cave. He want's out. Please do not believe he is interested in a truce. He must die. He's a slim bag, and probably getting slimmer. I wouldn't figure there's much to eat when you're hiding in caves. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #7 January 24, 2006 Lets pretend I'm a terrorist, guilty of mass murder, and reviled throughout 'the civilised world'. My actions have made history. I am the most wanted man in the world, ever. My followers are slowly being picked off, places for me to hide are getting sparse, basically time is running out. I am fed up living in caves, my camcorder is broken, and I missed the last series of West Wing. What should I do next? Hmmm, think, think, think.... I need more support.... Try to twist a peaceful religion to suit my personal agenda? Maybe sway a few normal folks to a more extreme position. Hmm, not enough, too few are listening. Offer money to to pay my followers and their families for their sacrifice? Money is always a good persuader. But I'm running out of cash, and its geting harder to use the old network of money transfers... Hmmm.. What would Gadaffi do? Ah, I know, I'll try and portray myself as a reasonable guy, a statesman even! I'll invite the Great Satan to some sort of talks, the world will see that I am not really that bad. I know the coalition will never attend such a meeting, or even take it seriously, but I have nothing to lose. I will be the one who is brokering a deal to end this madness, and the war hungry west are ignoring my efforts as a peace loving diplomat. People are bound to see this and again I may eke out a little more sympathy somehwere. The worst thing that can happen is my followers are given a timely morale boost, the coalition are again reminded of their failure to capture me, and further division will occur within their political systems. Pass the dictaphone, its the red button for record...right? I wish my camcorder was still working, dammit I should have bought a Sony.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #8 January 24, 2006 "He's a slim bag, and probably getting slimmer." Now that's funny.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Newbie 0 #9 January 24, 2006 Quote What am I missing, it obviously cant be this easy. Or can it be but we're just to chickenshit to carry out any such plan?? How do you equate killing Bin Laden - publically or otherwise - to the end of the global terrorism we are seeing? Cutting off the head of the snake? Don't think so - more like killing one fly, 10 more come to the funeral. The guy is going to be a matyr as it is, the problem is far more deeprooted than one man. Killing him, in this fashion, publically and openly, will only increase the reign of terror, not subdue it. Killing him in his caves will stop his tapes, but sure as hell isn't going to stop his ideology anytime soon. "Skydiving is a door" Happythoughts Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,151 #10 January 24, 2006 You don't do that because it announces to the world that your country does not negotiate in good faith. You gain a temporary victory but the long term damage is enormous. Just like you lose in the long term if you condone torture and imprisonment without trial. (Unfortunately it's too late to avoid that).... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #11 January 24, 2006 QuoteQuote You don't do that because it announces to the world that your country does not negotiate in good faith. What does it matter? We dont negotiate anyways. It's not as if we would need to worry about not being taken seriously next time we enter into negotiations. This would be a one time event. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #12 January 24, 2006 >OBL is not the only terrorist leader, and he can not speak for others, > like Hammas, or the PLO. He was just offering a truce to bait us . . . That's fine! Agree to the meeting. Arrest him. Let him negotiate all he wants from his jail cell. "We stop all attacks, and you don't have to change a thing" might be good terms of a truce. And if nothing changes? We are no worse off - other than we have Bin Laden in a jail cell, which I personally would like to see. As killing him would just create the world's most visible martyr, that should be our second choice. Once we have him in custody we can always kill him later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites LuvToFly 0 #13 January 24, 2006 I think you've got it pegged right on, with just a slight variation: There is zero belief on OBL's part that the West would ever entertain any kind of talks. I believe he was so certain of this that if he had any doubts, he would have never brought it up. With that fact firmly in place the desparate plan would not work - that is - solely for sympathy from the increasingly disapproving Arab world. The peacemaker gets turned down. This is what he wants, and alludes to his desperation regarding slipping support and predator concerns. But what prompted this move? I believe that the government or individuals that are harboring him are thinking of turning him in. It's too hot for them now and I think it's actually that factor that is causing him to make these attempts at communication. He, on his own, has evaded capture for some time now. But if the folks in the know as to his whereabouts are tired of the hailstorm that keeps coming their way from the US diplomatic and military pressures, I think there is a real chance they may be ready to cough him up. This may not have been the case if OBL had anything of significant substance to show for his malicious efforts since 9/11. The facts are, though, the terrorist efforts against the US on our soil have been abysmal since 9/11 as the US has been quite effective at thwarting these enemies in this country. Those who hate the US, I believe, wanted to see better results in this regard against the US, and may be starting to see OBL as an ineffective terrorist leader, and that is good news. But hopefully, they will also be starting to appreciate the same concept that Japan's emperor quickly came to the conclusion regarding the US: it's most unwise to awaken a sleeping giant. Many enemies of the US have mistaken our internal disagreements and diversity as a sign of weakness - when in truth it's a sign of freedom. OBL made the same mistake, and so is Iran. We americans can be pretty complacent until you piss us off enough, then there is hell to pay. It would be good for those who believe otherwise to accept that this country can have an amazing resolve toward unity to kick your ass when pushed too far. To ignore that fact for the sake of blindly following your personal or idealogical agenda will risk not only your life, but the lives of many of your fellow citizens. You don't slap a lion in the mouth and believe that he won't tear you to shreds. "The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #14 January 25, 2006 Yeah, I just threw out that wee perspective as a bit of fun. I don't think anyone is taking the truce offer seriously, apart from some folks here. Folks are talking about OBL and thats what terrorists like. The taped message is double edged blade, its meant for the US and OBL's followers, so we need to bear that in mind when looking at what is being said. I would take you up on the assumption that some country is knowingly harbouring the bad guy though. Maybe Iran, but this is not their fight, and I just can't see Pakistan supporting him either, they are our allies in this after all and the repercussions would be horrible if anyone sussed them. I think he has gone to ground in Kashmir, which is a bit of a no-man's land. By the way, I like helicopters too, they take me to work, and more importantly, bring me home again.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #15 January 25, 2006 QuoteRumor has it Bin Ladins recent message eluded to some sort of truce / negotiation option. Whether this is true or not, what would prevent our dipshit pres from agreeing to or arranging such talks, plan it accordingly and then when the time is right put a bullet in the appropriate persons heads sitting at the table? Yeah yeah yeah, I know most people will say that the parties we want to kill would never show their faces during such negotiations, well fuck that, we would make that one of the requirements to structuring such a deal. If we cant find the fucker any other way, why not resort to the same barbaric tactics they do? What am I missing, it obviously cant be this easy. Or can it be but we're just to chickenshit to carry out any such plan?? Straight to the name calling Thread over.........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kenneth21441 0 #16 January 25, 2006 I think that we should negotiate with them. In fact invite them into our homes to sleep with our spouces and children. Yeah I am a firm supporter of this in fact I think that we should take a 747 loaded up with them and do them a favor and let them meet those 77 virgins as we crash it into the Koba. Just what I think of this area.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites funks 1 #17 January 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteRumor has it Bin Ladins recent message eluded to some sort of truce / negotiation option. Whether this is true or not, what would prevent our dipshit pres from agreeing to or arranging such talks, plan it accordingly and then when the time is right put a bullet in the appropriate persons heads sitting at the table? Yeah yeah yeah, I know most people will say that the parties we want to kill would never show their faces during such negotiations, well fuck that, we would make that one of the requirements to structuring such a deal. If we cant find the fucker any other way, why not resort to the same barbaric tactics they do? What am I missing, it obviously cant be this easy. Or can it be but we're just to chickenshit to carry out any such plan?? Straight to the name calling Thread over.......... Just exactly what are you crying and whining about? The president getting called a dipshit or OBL being called a fucker??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Join the conversation You can post now and register later. 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billvon 3,120 #12 January 24, 2006 >OBL is not the only terrorist leader, and he can not speak for others, > like Hammas, or the PLO. He was just offering a truce to bait us . . . That's fine! Agree to the meeting. Arrest him. Let him negotiate all he wants from his jail cell. "We stop all attacks, and you don't have to change a thing" might be good terms of a truce. And if nothing changes? We are no worse off - other than we have Bin Laden in a jail cell, which I personally would like to see. As killing him would just create the world's most visible martyr, that should be our second choice. Once we have him in custody we can always kill him later. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
LuvToFly 0 #13 January 24, 2006 I think you've got it pegged right on, with just a slight variation: There is zero belief on OBL's part that the West would ever entertain any kind of talks. I believe he was so certain of this that if he had any doubts, he would have never brought it up. With that fact firmly in place the desparate plan would not work - that is - solely for sympathy from the increasingly disapproving Arab world. The peacemaker gets turned down. This is what he wants, and alludes to his desperation regarding slipping support and predator concerns. But what prompted this move? I believe that the government or individuals that are harboring him are thinking of turning him in. It's too hot for them now and I think it's actually that factor that is causing him to make these attempts at communication. He, on his own, has evaded capture for some time now. But if the folks in the know as to his whereabouts are tired of the hailstorm that keeps coming their way from the US diplomatic and military pressures, I think there is a real chance they may be ready to cough him up. This may not have been the case if OBL had anything of significant substance to show for his malicious efforts since 9/11. The facts are, though, the terrorist efforts against the US on our soil have been abysmal since 9/11 as the US has been quite effective at thwarting these enemies in this country. Those who hate the US, I believe, wanted to see better results in this regard against the US, and may be starting to see OBL as an ineffective terrorist leader, and that is good news. But hopefully, they will also be starting to appreciate the same concept that Japan's emperor quickly came to the conclusion regarding the US: it's most unwise to awaken a sleeping giant. Many enemies of the US have mistaken our internal disagreements and diversity as a sign of weakness - when in truth it's a sign of freedom. OBL made the same mistake, and so is Iran. We americans can be pretty complacent until you piss us off enough, then there is hell to pay. It would be good for those who believe otherwise to accept that this country can have an amazing resolve toward unity to kick your ass when pushed too far. To ignore that fact for the sake of blindly following your personal or idealogical agenda will risk not only your life, but the lives of many of your fellow citizens. You don't slap a lion in the mouth and believe that he won't tear you to shreds. "The helicopter approaches closer than any other to fulfillment of mankind's ancient dreams of a magic carpet" - Igor Sikorsky Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #14 January 25, 2006 Yeah, I just threw out that wee perspective as a bit of fun. I don't think anyone is taking the truce offer seriously, apart from some folks here. Folks are talking about OBL and thats what terrorists like. The taped message is double edged blade, its meant for the US and OBL's followers, so we need to bear that in mind when looking at what is being said. I would take you up on the assumption that some country is knowingly harbouring the bad guy though. Maybe Iran, but this is not their fight, and I just can't see Pakistan supporting him either, they are our allies in this after all and the repercussions would be horrible if anyone sussed them. I think he has gone to ground in Kashmir, which is a bit of a no-man's land. By the way, I like helicopters too, they take me to work, and more importantly, bring me home again.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #15 January 25, 2006 QuoteRumor has it Bin Ladins recent message eluded to some sort of truce / negotiation option. Whether this is true or not, what would prevent our dipshit pres from agreeing to or arranging such talks, plan it accordingly and then when the time is right put a bullet in the appropriate persons heads sitting at the table? Yeah yeah yeah, I know most people will say that the parties we want to kill would never show their faces during such negotiations, well fuck that, we would make that one of the requirements to structuring such a deal. If we cant find the fucker any other way, why not resort to the same barbaric tactics they do? What am I missing, it obviously cant be this easy. Or can it be but we're just to chickenshit to carry out any such plan?? Straight to the name calling Thread over.........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kenneth21441 0 #16 January 25, 2006 I think that we should negotiate with them. In fact invite them into our homes to sleep with our spouces and children. Yeah I am a firm supporter of this in fact I think that we should take a 747 loaded up with them and do them a favor and let them meet those 77 virgins as we crash it into the Koba. Just what I think of this area.Kenneth Potter FAA Senior Parachute Rigger Tactical Delivery Instructor (Jeddah, KSA) FFL Gunsmith Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
funks 1 #17 January 25, 2006 QuoteQuoteRumor has it Bin Ladins recent message eluded to some sort of truce / negotiation option. Whether this is true or not, what would prevent our dipshit pres from agreeing to or arranging such talks, plan it accordingly and then when the time is right put a bullet in the appropriate persons heads sitting at the table? Yeah yeah yeah, I know most people will say that the parties we want to kill would never show their faces during such negotiations, well fuck that, we would make that one of the requirements to structuring such a deal. If we cant find the fucker any other way, why not resort to the same barbaric tactics they do? What am I missing, it obviously cant be this easy. Or can it be but we're just to chickenshit to carry out any such plan?? Straight to the name calling Thread over.......... Just exactly what are you crying and whining about? The president getting called a dipshit or OBL being called a fucker??? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
