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[steveorino 7]

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I think it would be useful to have examples. One verse from a particular version put next to the same verse from another version to see if the meaning was lost or changed.

Agreed, but let's add the Greek and Hebrew manuscripts to the test. From my understanding there were a LOT more manuscripts to look at in later revisions. The very fact that Christians like Bill take the stance they do on English translations like the KJV show their Western biases.

[soapbox] Oh, how could those Messianic and early non-English speaking Christians read God's word. Much of it was written in Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek!!!! Poor stupid infidels They didn't have the pagan King James authorize a "God" version yet. It had to wait 1600 years (2600 years for OT) for "God's" version in ENGLISH. Yeah, right! Give me a break!
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Again your Western bias is showing too much. It is like the nuts who said having CNN is fulfilling the prophecy that everyone will see Christ descend to earth. My goodness people! Do you ever get out of suburbia America???? I don't think my friend Pastor Sherman Lion in the rain forest village of Cimaronnes, Costa Rica has cable yet!

steveOrino

[hairyjuan 0]

historically proveable fact: also preffered satanism

we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively


wishers never choose, choosers never wish

[crotalus01 0]

if you ever read a direct transliteration of the Hebrew texts, the KJV is incorrectly translated on many points due to a misunderstanding of the way Hebrew idioms work, as well as losing the actual subject of particular passages.
ancient Hebrew is a language that heavily relies on over-emphasis of the subject matter, a point that is totally lost in the KJV for the most part.

As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD...

[pajarito 0]

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if you ever read a direct transliteration of the Hebrew texts, the KJV is incorrectly translated on many points due to a misunderstanding of the way Hebrew idioms work, as well as losing the actual subject of particular passages.
ancient Hebrew is a language that heavily relies on over-emphasis of the subject matter, a point that is totally lost in the KJV for the most part.

I doubt there are very many. I also doubt that any that would be mentioned affect Christian doctrine at all. Can you list any that you think do?

[crotalus01 0]

actually it not only affects doctrine, but also treasured traditions. one example: celebration of birthdays in the Hebrew text is always depicted in a negative light; traditional Judaism celebrates by remembering the passing of a person, not the birthday. Christmas is a "celebration" of the birth of Christ, but the roots of almost all of the traditions of Christmas are steeped in paganism. nowhere in the bible (in any translation) does it say to celebrate the birth of Christ. but to get specific, in the Hebrew transliteration it is made explicitly clear that when Christ commands "Do this in remembrance of Me", he is referencing the celebration of Passover - which is the celebration of the freeing of all of Israel from the Egyptians - which in itself is a forshadowing of the death of Christ which frees all of the world that chooses to believe.
if you dig deeper, you will find a passage (i forget where, will post again if i find it) that says "the traditions of men are an abomination to Me".
Christmas is a tradition.
anyways, there is a whole lot more than what i have just brought up. i usually don't bother because people just think you are nuts if you think Christmas is wrong, but since you asked....
for very specific and detailed info check out

http://www.toolong.com/index.htm

at the very least it will make you think about some of the teachings of the modern church.

As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD...

[pajarito 0]

Here is what I mean when I say Christian doctrine:

Basic Christian Doctrine

Whether I celebrate birthdays and the Jews don't has nothing to do with what I was talking about.

[crotalus01 0]

There will be a rapture (being caught up into the clouds with Jesus) -
1 Thess. 4:14-17

most definitely throws this one right out the door.
this is a bit complicated so bear with me:
the problem comes in the translation of the word "Clouds". clouds does not mean Heaven, it means clouds. Strongs #109: the clouds belong to the Earth's atmosphere, not the Heavens. this is the first and blessed ressurection, held in two brief stages as Christ returns just prior to the 1,000 year reign. Christ made things as plain as He could in John 17:15 where He prays that believers are NOT removed from the Earth, thus eliminating any chance of an alleged "rapture".
verse 17: "Then we who are alive and remain at His return shall be caught up together with them onto the clouds, to meet the Master in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Master."

therin lies the problem with the rapture theory: rapture says we are changed in the twinkling of an eye and go to Heaven with the Master - the Word says that Christ returns to Earth to rule; Earth, NOT heaven. the new kingdom is right here, not in heaven.

anyways, i am tired and stressed out (my uncle just had triple bypass surgery last night) so i am done for tonight, i would highly recommend you check out the Restoration Scriptures True Name Edition. its a transliteration of the Hebrew text with many helpful footnotes explaining the translation problems from Greek and other languages.
or check out http://www.lionlamb.net/index.html

even if you think i am nuts it will give you food for thought.
Blue Skies!

As for me and my house, we will serve the LORD...

[pajarito 0]

Sorry to hear about your uncle.
I'll check it out. Probably won't be able to get back with any thoughts for a couple of days. Gotta work.

Later,

Jay

[steveorino 7]

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nowhere in the bible (in any translation) does it say to celebrate the birth of Christ.

While not a "command" to follow, the Magi (Matthew 2) did set an example to cleberate (worship) Christ's birth.

steveOrino