Gravitymaster 0 #26 January 19, 2006 Quote> We pull out of Muslim territory and AQ floods the vacuum we leave. Who said anything about pulling out of Muslim territory? The sort of truce I'm thinking of is along the lines of "you stop attacking us, and prove it over the course of X months, and we'll stop blowing you up so often - AFTER the X months." Thats worked so well between Israel and the Palestinians. What makes you think it will work with OBL? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #27 January 19, 2006 QuoteQuoteWe pull out of Muslim territory and AQ floods the vacuum we leave. Who said anything about pulling out of Muslim territory? OBL has. It would be swell if he is willing to abandon that position. I tend to doubt he would agree to relinquish his claims to Muslim exclusivity in the territories though. QuoteThe sort of truce I'm thinking of is along the lines of "you stop attacking us, and prove it over the course of X months, and we'll stop blowing you up so often - AFTER the X months." OBL has been reduced to a figurehead role now apparently. If his operational commanders and AQ affiliates would agree to cease their attacks, and they actually followed through, then your deal might be a very good one for the West indeed. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #28 January 19, 2006 > Could they be hiding something, such as that maybe OBL was not available to make the recording??? There have been several reports and several articles written that OBL passed away from Kidney Failure last year. > I suspect that the lack of video & poor sound quality of the tape is there to hide something. I agree, and it might be that the bastard is dead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Skyrad 0 #29 January 19, 2006 ***We need to take this clown out. *** Now thats a much more civil way of dealing with the issue. A little light lunch at the Ivy followed by an evening at the opera, I'm sure that if we treated him nicer he'd stop being so prickly.When an author is too meticulous about his style, you may presume that his mind is frivolous and his content flimsy. Lucius Annaeus Seneca Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #30 January 19, 2006 not unless he puts out afterwards. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #31 January 19, 2006 >What makes you think it will work with OBL? Probably won't - in which case we are no worse off (other than we have Bin Laden, which would be good.) Or it might, in which case a lot of people might not have to lose their lives. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #32 January 20, 2006 A few things I've heard discussed today about the tape. 1. The voice has been authenticated by the CIA, according to many news outlets...so it is something that we can reasonably be sure is him. 2. It seems, from some of the linguists I've heard discussing this, that OBL did not write the entire speech, and that some one, likely an egyptian, is the second writer. Zawahiri is egyptian, iirc. 3. The timing of the written speech is likely not in the last few days; i.e., not as a result of the Pakistani strike. There is no mention of that, and the items which are mentioned happened in late November and/or December '05. 4. And this, to me, is a very interesting point...the "truce" OBL/AQ is asking for is not a truce, when you consider it's terms. What he/they are asking for is a surrender...get out of Iraq and Afghanistan, and we will not attack you. That isn't a truce, per se...rather, it's more of a conditional demand for surrender. It's very interesting, what's happening. I again assert that OBL is a wily sob, and can play the media like a violin. He is very current in his comments (which is why we can date them to a reasonable degree of certainty), and pays attention to Mainstreet, USA. That's who he's addressing, not the government. He's talking to us. Just some thoughts... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #33 January 20, 2006 Quote>Bill, what you're not including in your analyzation is the fact that the > many headed hydra will continue to operate on their own . . . That may well happen. At which point we go back on the offensive, and nothing's new - other than we have Bin Laden and some of his higher-ups in custody. And that's a big plus in my book. Tell us again why we should not have a sniper take off his cranium when we go for that handshake meeting... --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #34 January 20, 2006 Osama isn't so stupid as to not consider that possiblity. I doubt he would agree to any face-to-face meeting for that very reason. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #35 January 20, 2006 >Tell us again why we should not have a sniper take off his cranium >when we go for that handshake meeting... Oh, shake his hand, ask him questions, then blow his head off if you like. Or put him in a jail cell for the rest of his life. The details don't really matter - what matters is that he's not out there any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #36 January 20, 2006 Quote>Tell us again why we should not have a sniper take off his cranium >when we go for that handshake meeting... Oh, shake his hand, ask him questions, then blow his head off if you like. Or put him in a jail cell for the rest of his life. The details don't really matter - what matters is that he's not out there any more. but..but.. what about his right to a fair trial? SH killed many more time the number of innocent people than OBL did and he's getting a trial. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,118 #37 January 20, 2006 >but..but.. what about his right to a fair trial? So put him on trial and THEN blow his head off. Or put him in prison for life. Again, it doesn't matter if he's in a jail cell, or a coffin, or a courtroom, or even a glass box (see Osama for $1! All proceeds go to the western christian porn association.) What matters is he's not organizing terrorism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #38 January 20, 2006 "What matters is he's not organizing terrorism. " I don't think that matters anymore, I (and a CIA guy I heard on the radio this am) reckon AQ has evolved from being an organisation to a movement. Much harder to crush a movement than an organisation......-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuteless 1 #39 January 20, 2006 It is Osama that will take the USA out....not the other way around. CNN is just reporting what Osama has said, and he will make good on his threats. The USA administration is running around in circles. Bill Cole Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #40 January 20, 2006 If a terrorist attack does occur on the USA, why would it have to be Osama? It's not like the other terrorists would cease to exist without him in charge. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #41 January 20, 2006 Yeah, you've got to watch out for those Movements, they'll likely morph into an Association or a Fraternity and boy have you got trouble then..... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #42 January 20, 2006 I had a Huge Movement this morning....And I'm proud of it!!! (it did resemble Osama bin Laden a bit, come to think of it...maybe I should see a doctor...) Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #43 January 20, 2006 You stole my thunder. Cad. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #44 January 20, 2006 don't blame your lack of regularity on me. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #45 January 20, 2006 Stealing someones' thunder..... that is painting a horible picture (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #46 January 20, 2006 Quotedon't blame your lack of regularity on me. You sound like Mrs. Blutarsky. Blutarsky 2008. One Giant Movement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #47 January 20, 2006 QuoteI had a Huge Movement this morning....And I'm proud of it!!! (it did resemble Osama bin Laden a bit, come to think of it...maybe I should see a doctor...) if you weren't so fucking drunk all the time, you'd have been smart enough to collect the sample and sell it on ebay. you're such a douche bag. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
peacefuljeffrey 0 #48 January 21, 2006 Quote"What matters is he's not organizing terrorism. " I don't think that matters anymore, I (and a CIA guy I heard on the radio this am) reckon AQ has evolved from being an organisation to a movement. Much harder to crush a movement than an organisation...... You mean like the Alice's Restaurant Anti-Massacree Movement? All you gotta do to join is to sing it the next time it comes around on the GEEtar... ...with feelin'. --Jeffrey "With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
