rwieder 0 #1 January 19, 2006 Al-Jezzera has released new footage of Osama Bin Ladin. He promises that new attacks in Europe & the US are being planned currently and will take place "very soon." CNN is currently reporting on the situation, and will release the video / audio as soon as it is confirmed it is in fact Ladin. We need to take this clown out.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #2 January 19, 2006 QuoteWe need to take this clown out. The US probably took out some of his key lieutenants in Pakistan last week via missile strike. Perhaps he’s on the ropes now and is hearing our footsteps. It’s interesting that CNN is reporting the recorded message was audio only, if true I wonder why OBL didn’t issue a video. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rwieder 0 #3 January 19, 2006 QuoteIt’s interesting that CNN is reporting the recorded message was audio only, if true I wonder why OBL didn’t issue a video The video does exists. CNN is merely insuring that it is Bin Ladin before they release it, although i just heard a clip from the audio. CNN is announcing right now as soon as they "Identify The Markers" they will air the video.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #4 January 19, 2006 I had relied on this account from CNN's website: "CNN could not immediately confirm that the voice in the poor-quality audiotape was that of bin Laden." If there is video then that would be something completely different Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #5 January 19, 2006 Quote I had relied on this account from CNN's website: "CNN could not immediately confirm that the voice in the poor-quality audiotape was that of bin Laden." If there is video then that would be something completely different Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Wonder why OBL isn't using a CD or DVD burner? I mean cassette tapes and VCR's are so 80's. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #6 January 19, 2006 Some content of OBL's message, he's making a "peace offer" January 19, 2006 Arab TV Airs Audiotape Said to Be From bin Laden By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 10:38 a.m. ET CAIRO, Egypt (AP) -- Al-Jazeera aired an audiotape purportedly from Osama bin Laden on Thursday, saying al-Qaida is making preparations for attacks in the United States but offering a truce to rebuild Iraq and Afghanistan. The voice on the tape said heightened security measures in the United States are not the reason there have been no attacks there since the Sept. 11, 2001, suicide hijackings. Instead, the reason is ''because there are operations that need preparations, and you will see them,'' he said. ''Based on what I have said, it is better not to fight the Muslims on their land,'' he said. ''We do not mind offering you a truce that is fair and long-term. ... So we can build Iraq and Afghanistan ... there is no shame in this solution because it prevents wasting of billions of dollars ... to merchants of war.'' The speaker did not give conditions for a truce in the excerpts aired by the Arab broadcast. Source: http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/international/AP-Al-Qaida-Bin-Laden.html?ei=5094&en=4cdfc95064ecd3db&hp=&ex=1137733200&partner=homepage&pagewanted=printer. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 January 19, 2006 It says it is an audio tape. Not video. The video tape released last month was from Zawahri, not OBL. Interesting that the tapes are "poor quality audio" and not video when they come from OBL. I wonder how much assurance we can ever get that they are in fact actually OBL on the tape. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #8 January 19, 2006 QuoteWonder why OBL isn't using a CD or DVD burner? I mean cassette tapes and VCR's are so 80's. The conditions must be rough over there in Cave #37 ... Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #9 January 19, 2006 Quote QuoteWonder why OBL isn't using a CD or DVD burner? I mean cassette tapes and VCR's are so 80's. The conditions must be rough over there in Cave #37 ... Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Yeah but come on how cheap can you be? Best Buy has some pretty good Sony video cameras on sale for less than $400. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #10 January 19, 2006 QuoteYeah but come on how cheap can you be? Best Buy has some pretty good Sony video cameras on sale for less than $400. Apparently they're still haggling over price, the counter guy wants hard cash and AQ is sticking with 49.5 paradise virgins "and not a single virgin more. What, do you think we were raised by camels?" Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 January 19, 2006 ubelievable what I'm reading onthe "Have your say" section of BBC. apparently "OBL" on this tape is offering a truce so that "we (meaning Al Quaeda etc) can rebuild afghanistan and Iraq" and some of the people writing in are saying we should accept a "truce with Osama bin Laden" ???!! WTF ARE THESE PEOPLE THINKING??? If your country is at war with another country, than you might make a truce with them under some conditions. But you DON'T make a truce with a band of international criminals!!! YTF do some people lend bin Laden & co. this type of legitmacy???!! Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #12 January 19, 2006 Speedy, my take on the "truce" aspect of this is simple. OBL and AQ cannot "rebuild" anything, as they are not a country, coherent or cohesive group, and/or government which could rebuild anything. I see it as more of a ploy, so when new attacks occur, they can say "hey, we offered a truce; it's the evil west that refused to negotiate one with us, so we have no choice." They know we are not going to negotiate, nor is there anyone to negotiate with (remember the hydra analogy? The independent cells? The different independent leaders for different regions?? There's no-one to negotiate with, for cripe's sake...). So it's a prebuilt excuse to allow them to carry on with their attacks, and be able to give some people a reason to feel we (the "west") should've/could've prevented it. OBL is not a stupid man...and this will bring a devisiveness to the table (as you've already seen), and allow them perceived impunity. Just another way to split and divide... Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #13 January 19, 2006 I think you're right, Michele. It just sucks that so many people are gullible & craven enough to fall for it. (not to mention the fact that it is still highly uncertain that the voice on the tape is OBL). Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #14 January 19, 2006 >I see it as more of a ploy . . . I'm thinking we accept his truce and agree to meet somewhere to shake on it. Then we honor it as long as he does - and provide him (and whoever is with him) a more comfy cave, courtesy of the US government. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #15 January 19, 2006 QuoteI'm thinking we accept his truce and agree to meet somewhere to shake on it. Then we honor it as long as he does - and provide him (and whoever is with him) a more comfy cave, courtesy of the US government. And thus the divisiveness begins. Bill, what you're not including in your analyzation is the fact that the many headed hydra will continue to operate on their own (as it's been designed to...), and the attacks can continue. Because of that, and OBL's "plausible deniability", we get stuck right between the rock and the hard place. It isn't going to work, this potential truce. Additionally, the tape is directed at the American people, not the government...why? To continue a full court press to make the "war" a thing of argument, to erode the confidence (even further) of what's going on in Iraq and Afghanistan. additionally, iirc, this is the first time OBL has indicated that he has influence in Iraq. Whether he does, does not, or does a bit is left to be seen. But it's a wily conversation he is having with the American public (note well he is not addressing the government, the ones who could negotiate a truce...) and doing what he can to place pressure on the government via the people of the US...and that is media savvy at it's best, manipulation again extraordinarily wily. And make no mistake, OBL is many things; media savvy and wily are just a few. It will be interesting to see how many people fall for this...can't see through it; and don't understand the entire picture before jumping on the "negotiate a truce" bandwagon. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #16 January 19, 2006 >Bill, what you're not including in your analyzation is the fact that the > many headed hydra will continue to operate on their own . . . That may well happen. At which point we go back on the offensive, and nothing's new - other than we have Bin Laden and some of his higher-ups in custody. And that's a big plus in my book. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #17 January 19, 2006 Bill, if you really believe that a truce will net you OBL and other higher ups in AQ, you're far more idealistic that even I gave you credit for...that's not a truce, that's a surrender. And that's not on the table. Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #18 January 19, 2006 QuoteI'm thinking we accept his truce and agree to meet somewhere to shake on it. Then we honor it as long as he does - and provide him (and whoever is with him) a more comfy cave, courtesy of the US government. Your position enjoys support from posters to the BBC website: Added: Thursday, 19 January, 2006, 16:14 GMT 16:14 UK With common sense, it could mean a new beginning, and hopefully a bridging of the western and middle eastern cultures. I fear, given track records, the US and UK governmetns will stand on the "We don't make deals with terrorists" mantra, leaving the rest of us at risk from further terrorist attacks on civillians. [yodellingbren], Dublin, Ireland Added: Thursday, 19 January, 2006, 16:13 GMT 16:13 UK The world need to listen to Osama Bin Laden words first before any comments are made by our leaders. I think that if a truce is being offered it should be looked at seriously. Men & Women are being killed every day not through their choice but through their leaders. He may be a terrorist (Depending on your views) but we need to look at the bigger picture it is OK for Bush & Blair to say that we should fight to the end but they are not the one's who are dying. I am a firm believer in combating terrorism but Force can not always be beaten by more force. Lyndon, Manchester Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #19 January 19, 2006 >Bill, if you really believe that a truce will net you OBL . . . If it doesn't, then there's no truce; he bailed. And what have we lost then? Then WE can say "Hey, he offered a truce, we accepted, then he didn't show. We tried." We shouldn't let our anger and hatred prevent us from using every possible angle to a) get Bin Laden and his followers behind bars (or in a grave; doesn't really matter to me) and b) reduce terrorism. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Michele 1 #20 January 19, 2006 So what you're suggesting is to use the "truce" to kidnap and either hold or kill him? That I agree with. I don't think it will happen...but I agree with that premise. But he will not voluntarily surrender...and I think it would be very tough to "negotiate" a face to face meeting with him wherein there would be the possibility of a kidnap scenario succeeding without massive ramifications to both those who set out to kidnap/kill him or to those he surrounds himself with that are, in effect, 'just there to negotiate peace' and can claim to be innocent. It's a no win, what you're suggesting, although brighter minds than mine may find a way...and should they do so, I say "more power to them! Rock fucking ON!" Ciels- Michele ~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek While our hearts lie bleeding?~ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #21 January 19, 2006 >So what you're suggesting is to use the "truce" to kidnap and >either hold or kill him? Yep. Heck, even discuss a truce with him - but from inside a prison cell. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #22 January 19, 2006 >Yep. Heck, even discuss a truce with him - but from inside a prison cell. Sounds as if he is on the ropes, and now is willing to discuss a possible truce. Something must be working, like having his friends blown up and that there is really no place to hide. Also there is a message being sent, if you harbor terrorists i.e. dinner party, you place your life as well as those of your family in jeopardy. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #23 January 19, 2006 QuoteYep. Heck, even discuss a truce with him - but from inside a prison cell. We imprison a figurehead and the remaining hydra still bites at us. We pull out of Muslim territory and AQ floods the vacuum we leave. Iran deploys nuclear weapons and becomes caliphate central. Is the world rendered a safer place or do the battles simply shift to the territories in the West and this time our enemies actually do possess deliverable WMD? Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #24 January 19, 2006 > We pull out of Muslim territory and AQ floods the vacuum we leave. Who said anything about pulling out of Muslim territory? The sort of truce I'm thinking of is along the lines of "you stop attacking us, and prove it over the course of X months, and we'll stop blowing you up so often - AFTER the X months." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #25 January 19, 2006 I for one am highly suspicious of this audio-tape. If it really is OBL, why has there been no video? And why is the sound quality supposedly so bad? Supposedly he's ready to unleash terrorist strikes at the US & other places around the globe, and they can't even scrape together some modern A/V equipment??? Could they be hiding something, such as that maybe OBL was not available to make the recording??? I suspect that the lack of video & poor sound quality of the tape is there to hide something. I am reminded of the so-called "evidence" of the Loch Ness Monster or Sasquatch, featuring jiggly,out-of-focus camera shots of some distant dark blob that could be anything. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
