Liberals vs. Conservatives in Higher Education

[tcnelson 1]

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Liberals would like their idealized version of the 22nd Century NOW. Conservatives would like their idealized version of the 18th century NOW.

what was that term again...oh yeah! what a load of codswallop!

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[goofyjumper 0]

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Liberals would like their idealized version of the 22nd Century NOW. Conservatives would like their idealized version of the 18th century NOW.

what was that term again...oh yeah! what a load of codswallop!

Why it is true!

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[tcnelson 1]

thanks for your agreement.

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[juanesky 0]

JC, I enjoyed reading your post where it explains the differences.

Yet I think that it can be summoned in 3 words. Pragmatism Vs. Dogma.

Where dogma is constantly trying to tell pragmatism how to do its deed, while pragma while testing dogma's theories have to include other variables that where not considered.

I bet that most in here when in college/universities pretty much tend to idealize the world, then we are hit with the realities of it, when we need to actually put that knowledge into place.

Of course saying that if you are liberal you are very smart, or if you are conservative you are uneducated is just silly, as it is based on what it is perceived in higher education sites.

You can be either one being uneducated or educated.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

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Here is just a little of my experience. Stripes in the military doesn't determine how much respect I give a person. I respect anyone who will wear the uniform. Stripes don't determine a persons experience in the military either. Look at what kind of badges they have on their uniform. Do they have a combat patch? Are they special forces? What job do they have? A lot more than rank can be determined from a soldiers uniform.

As far as education goes I have a degree. I've also been through the school of hard knocks. Many of the more "educated" people in this world who hide behind their title at a college really don't have a clue of what is going on in the world. All they get is whatever bias information that is reported in the press. Trust me when I say this, nothing of what is truly going on in Iraq is ever reported in the press. Perhaps take the time and ask a soldier what they have experienced. When you're done thank them for their service.

I guess my point is that I know some incredibly intelligent people with real world experiences who don't have a degree. I also know a lot of liberals and conservatives who are serving their country in the military. One other point about respect with someone who wears the uniform is first and foremost they respect themselves.

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>Stripes in the military doesn't determine how much respect I give a
>person.

If you are in the military, you _must_ show appropriate respect for your superiors, period. That doesn't mean that they are worthy of respect, or that they are good people. It's just how the military works. Military protocol respects rank, not innate goodness or worthiness.

>Stripes don't determine a persons experience in the military either. Look
> at what kind of badges they have on their uniform. Do they have a
>combat patch? Are they special forces? What job do they have? A lot more
>than rank can be determined from a soldiers uniform.

I agree. And again, that means that soldiers may be more prone to evaluate a person's superficial appearance to determine what sort of a person they are. There's nothing wrong with that; as you have pointed out, in some situations what they wear IS indicative of what kind of person they are. Heck, even skydivers do that; you see people with dozens of patches on their jumpsuits proclaiming that they were at the Arizona Challenge, or are instructors, or jumped in Thailand.

But often in the civilian world, judging someone by their superficial appearance can result in poor judgements. People who live in environments where there are fewer outward signs of who a person is may get better at judging people based on things other than what they look like or what they wear.

>As far as education goes I have a degree. I've also been through the
>school of hard knocks. Many of the more "educated" people in this
>world who hide behind their title at a college really don't have a clue
>of what is going on in the world.

Oh, I agree. And some people who have been in the military for much of their life have an amazing amount of practical experience in maintaining weapons or dealing with military logistics, but would be lost trying to design something or run a civilian business.

>Perhaps take the time and ask a soldier what they have experienced.
> When you're done thank them for their service.

I've done so. Which is why I laugh when people talk about how great things are in Iraq.

> One other point about respect with someone who wears the uniform is
>first and foremost they respect themselves.

I agree that that is usually true, but not always. I know a few unfortunate people who have served their country but then let themselves descend into drug abuse, domestic violence, alcoholism, petty theft and public brawling. Often they end up either booted out of the service or in a military prison, which is sad.

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I'm in the military, have been for fifteen years now. I have bachelor's and master's degrees from respected universities. However, over the course of my experiences, I've learned to judge people by their individual worth rather than their appearance, credentials, or stereotypes. Some of my very good friends are very liberal, some are conservative, some are gay, some are straight.

If I had to pick conservative or liberal, I guess I would call myself conservative. However, I just don't think with the issues today I could classify as one or the other. I choose to determine where I stand on a particular issue based on my beliefs and determinations rather than the popular opinion of a particular group. There are many issues that I fall on the liberal side of politics. However, most of the most important issues to me I take the conservative side.

So, to try and determine who is more intellectual between liberals and conservatives is very difficult. I just think that anybody that stands clearly on one side of the line or the other has not given all issues the consideration they deserve.

Now, all that being said, I realize that this is just my take on all this and is certainly disputable in many aspects of the argument. So I guess this discussion serves to entertain us for a while, but really doesn't determine anything as far as which group is higher in education or more "intellectual".

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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This made me curious, so I looked up some stats... which varied, as stats do... but it looks like the large majority of faculty at U.S. colleges and universities are liberals, which I guess I've heard before... But why is this? Are conservatives just not attracted to education as a profession? Or do liberals tend to be more likely to seek higher education than conservatives?

Any thoughts?

Perhaps the answer can be found in the notion that liberals are more interested in making others think like they do, and conservatives are okay with thinking the way they do and living their lives in peace. So liberals get themselves into education jobs so that they can spew more of their liberal rhetoric -- and have the power to fail or give bad grades to those whose papers reflect conservative thought.

Just because someone doesn't go into higher education as a career does not mean he hasn't gone for a higher education.

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-Jeffrey
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So, to try and determine who is more intellectual between liberals and conservatives is very difficult.

And that's really not what I meant to start with this thread, but obviously I didn't give much thought to it, because that is exactly what I started. I was just curious why there seemed to be more liberals in college, or at least more liberals teaching in college and writing the textbooks... but that really has nothing to do with whether liberals are more intelligent than conservatives or vice versa.

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I just think that anybody that stands clearly on one side of the line or the other has not given all issues the consideration they deserve.

And I think that is the best statement that has been made throughout this thread.

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However, over the course of my experiences, I've learned to judge people by their individual worth rather than their appearance, credentials, or stereotypes. Some of my very good friends are very liberal, some are conservative, some are gay, some are straight.

And I think that of all the experiences and education that we attain in our lifetimes, this is the best thing that one can learn, no matter which route it is achieved through.

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Perhaps the answer can be found in the notion that liberals are more interested in making others think like they do, and conservatives are okay with thinking the way they do and living their lives in peace.

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YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING SHITTING ME... WHAT THE FUCK do you think the Administration is doing when it says you are either with us or against us.. If you do not believe the way they fucking do then they fucking circumvent the fucking FISA COURT so they can fucking not have any over site on who the fuck they fucking wire tap. The fucking religeous wrong is constantly villifying anyone who does not fucking think or worship as they do in their churches.. the whole fucking ultra right wing-religeous wrong agenda of taking over local school boards so they can make sure they are getting their children ready to live in an idyllic 19th century world..rather than learnign to exist in a very complicated 21st century
Get a FUCKING CLUE

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[peacefuljeffrey 0]

I guess if I start making posts that single out and deliberately mock a specific poster, it won't be judged as a personal attack or insult, and won't get me banned?

Yeah, I use "fuck" now and then, and put some ooomph into my opinions. So what? It's not every single word, and damned if I haven't gotten PMs thanking me for being articulate and thought-provoking. Are my posts devoid of intelligent discussion? No.

Thanks for noticing.

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Casurf1978 0]

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So liberals get themselves into education jobs so that they can spew more of their liberal rhetoric -- and have the power to fail or give bad grades to those whose papers reflect conservative thought.

I call BS on this statement. In my experience and that of many of my friends, Profs welcomed ideas that challenged their views. Never did I come across a Prof who failed a paper of mine for disagreeing with their political, philosophical, or religious ideologies. Now a few did fail papers because the were written half ass the night before.

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Perhaps your experience was different than others.

[kelpdiver 2]

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Perhaps the answer can be found in the notion that liberals are more interested in making others think like they do, and conservatives are okay with thinking the way they do and living their lives in peace.

This was really funny to read.

The GOP, the party that believes in less government, in non interference by the government, UNLESS someone, somewhere, is having fun.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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I call BS on this statement. In my experience and that of many of my friends, Profs welcomed ideas that challenged their views. Never did I come across a Prof who failed a paper of mine for disagreeing with their political, philosophical, or religious ideologies. Now a few did fail papers because the were written half ass the night before.

I suspect that a LOT of so-called "college" papers are written "half-assed," because a lot of kids going on from high school to college these days can barely think, let alone write a coherent essay.

But just because you and I didn't experience leftist poli-sci professors shutting them down for disagreeing (I didn't even take poli-sci) does not mean it has not happened and does not continue to happen.

Oh, and fuck fuck fuckin' fuck. (Sorry, gotta play to my crowd.)

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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Perhaps the answer can be found in the notion that liberals are more interested in making others think like they do, and conservatives are okay with thinking the way they do and living their lives in peace

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That has got to be the biggest load of shite I have read today.

But then again, this is one of the first posts I have read this morning.

If you honestly think that MANY factions of conservatives don't want to control the way you behave just as much as MANY factions of liberals do, you are deluding yourself and apparently live in some made up magical country.

hmmmm. Maybe Cuervo Island or something.

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[switching into Jeffry speak]

YOU HAVE GOT TO BE FUCKING SHITTING ME... WHAT THE FUCK do you think the Administration is doing when it says you are either with us or against us.. If you do not believe the way they fucking do then they fucking circumvent the fucking FISA COURT so they can fucking not have any over site on who the fuck they fucking wire tap. The fucking religeous wrong is constantly villifying anyone who does not fucking think or worship as they do in their churches.. the whole fucking ultra right wing-religeous wrong agenda of taking over local school boards so they can make sure they are getting their children ready to live in an idyllic 19th century world..rather than learnign to exist in a very complicated 21st century
Get a FUCKING CLUE

[/Turning off Jeffrey speak.]

Stranglely enough, typical "PJ speak" and typical "Amazon speak" sound pretty similar - just goes out on different topics.

I think that switch isn't hooked up to anything.

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I think that switch isn't hooked up to anything.

Yeah it is. Skyhooks.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[skydyvr 0]

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I think that switch isn't hooked up to anything.

The switch seems to turn on... lotsa... random dots.. between words... and sentences..

Other than that... there seems to be no difference..

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[Amazon 7]

I do....... put..... in ..... the dots..... because ....... it pissses....... off ......some ........lotsa


( is lotsa a word?)



I just want to see something more than a one liner out of some people.
At least Jeffrey does put forth his ideas.... and not just sniping little remarks as some people here manage.

[kallend 2,113]

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So liberals get themselves into education jobs so that they can spew more of their liberal rhetoric -- and have the power to fail or give bad grades to those whose papers reflect conservative thought.



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Damn right. I always fail students whose physics exam solutions reflect conservative values.

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[JohnRich 4]

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But on the whole most non-filthy rich conservatives are slightly stupid.

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"data from the widely used General Social Survey (GSS) consistently show that Republicans are better educated than Democrats (on average, they have more than half a year more education and hold a higher final degree)."

Source: TCS Daily

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I do....... put..... in ..... the dots..... because ....... it pissses....... off ......some ........lotsa

I doubt using lotsa-dots in every post pisses anyone off, but I'll bet it makes some wonder about the literacy level of people who use such a "technique".

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I doubt using lotsa-dots in every post pisses anyone off, but I'll bet it makes some wonder about the literacy level of people who use such a "technique".

How would using dots in a casual online forum indicate one's level of literacy?

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I doubt using lotsa-dots in every post pisses anyone off, but I'll bet it makes some wonder about the literacy level of people who use such a "technique".

How would using dots in a casual online forum indicate one's level of literacy?

In a word, it's just sub-standard writing. Do I care? Not really -- doesn't reflect on me.

i realize nobody's paying for polished copy around here, but where do we draw the line? to me... it's similar to people who don't use capitalization in a casual forum.... or proper punctuation. btw... commas are easy.. why not employ them once in a while?

adn, itll b like a chat room n here soon, u no? b4n. ps:ipn

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