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>The fact is that this holiday was made a holiday under pressure by
>people who were willing to smear anyone who did not agree as a "racist."
Nope. It was made a holiday to commemorate someone who has done more for civil rights than anyone else in the 20th century. If he had been white, or indian, or a woman, or an eskimo we would remember him the same way. Because it wasn't his race, it is what he DID that we celebrate.
If you have no respect for that, then by all means, go to work or otherwise ignore the day that commemorates his life. If you think the day is about racism it's probably best you ignore the day - because you do his work no honor by observing it as such.
>people who were willing to smear anyone who did not agree as a "racist."
Nope. It was made a holiday to commemorate someone who has done more for civil rights than anyone else in the 20th century. If he had been white, or indian, or a woman, or an eskimo we would remember him the same way. Because it wasn't his race, it is what he DID that we celebrate.
If you have no respect for that, then by all means, go to work or otherwise ignore the day that commemorates his life. If you think the day is about racism it's probably best you ignore the day - because you do his work no honor by observing it as such.
OATSF14 0
QuoteNope. It was made a holiday to commemorate someone who has done more for civil rights than anyone else in the 20th century. If he had been white, or indian, or a woman, or an eskimo we would remember him the same way. Because it wasn't his race, it is what he DID that we celebrate.
If you have no respect for that, then by all means, go to work or otherwise ignore the day that commemorates his life. If you think the day is about racism it's probably best you ignore the day - because you do his work no honor by observing it as such
Bill...Bill such a naive young man you must be.
QuoteQuoteNope. It was made a holiday to commemorate someone who has done more for civil rights than anyone else in the 20th century. If he had been white, or indian, or a woman, or an eskimo we would remember him the same way. Because it wasn't his race, it is what he DID that we celebrate.
If you have no respect for that, then by all means, go to work or otherwise ignore the day that commemorates his life. If you think the day is about racism it's probably best you ignore the day - because you do his work no honor by observing it as such
Bill...Bill such a naive young man you must be.
Care to elaborate? I happen to agree with him.
Racial segregation was a very ugly part of our history. MLK should be honored for his efforts to rid our nation of this practice. I have a lot of disagreements with the modern civil rights movement, but I can't fault the efforts of those who fought state-sponsored, legalized racial segregation.
OATSF14 0
QuoteNope. It was made a holiday to commemorate someone who has done more for civil rights than anyone else in the 20th century.
I agree with "the commemoration for someone who has done more for civil rights...." MLK is that person. The world is a better place for his being a part of it.
QuoteBecause it wasn't his race, it is what he DID that we celebrate.
Again I agree.
QuoteIf he had been white, or indian, or a woman, or an eskimo we would remember him the same way.
This is where a flag is thrown. Do you really think there are enough Eskimos to equal the political power of MLK's followers during the civil rights years? Political power made this a holiday. A woman? Perhaps. Many great civil rights women have made great stands. Rosa just passed. I hope she is doing well.
Racism knows no race or gender boundries. It is practiced by all. To suggest that an eskimo, woman or white guy would receive the same press/power as MLK in his hey day is simply wrong. Lord help you if you are a white eskimo woman.
I do agree with Bill's premise. The man did well and he should be honored. But he was honored because of his race AND his message during a very turbulent time in our history. I humbly disagree to those who suggest otherwise.
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billvon 3,120
>Do you really think there are enough Eskimos to equal the political
>power of MLK's followers during the civil rights years?
You seem to think that all of MLK's followers were black, and thus he would lose all his followers if he were a different color. I do not agree with your assumption. My parents, for example, were some of his staunchest supporters - and that support would not have waned had he been white, or yellow, or red.
>Racism knows no race or gender boundries. It is practiced by all.
Definitely true.
>To suggest that an eskimo, woman or white guy would receive the same
>press/power as MLK in his hey day is simply wrong. Lord help you if you
>are a white eskimo woman.
The reason we do not have a holiday for any eskimo women is not that their skin was the wrong color - it is that no eskimo woman did what MLK did. Again, it was his actions, not his skin color, that made him the leader he was.
>power of MLK's followers during the civil rights years?
You seem to think that all of MLK's followers were black, and thus he would lose all his followers if he were a different color. I do not agree with your assumption. My parents, for example, were some of his staunchest supporters - and that support would not have waned had he been white, or yellow, or red.
>Racism knows no race or gender boundries. It is practiced by all.
Definitely true.
>To suggest that an eskimo, woman or white guy would receive the same
>press/power as MLK in his hey day is simply wrong. Lord help you if you
>are a white eskimo woman.
The reason we do not have a holiday for any eskimo women is not that their skin was the wrong color - it is that no eskimo woman did what MLK did. Again, it was his actions, not his skin color, that made him the leader he was.
QuoteI'm almost ashamed to be posting on a site that permits posts entitled "It's Black Guy Day!"
rl
You're ashamed to post in a place that allows and encourages dissenting and/or unpopular opinions to be expressed?
You would prefer if such speech were squelched and censored?
Surely that's not your vision for a better place...
Maybe Cuba would be more to your liking? Saudi Arabia?...
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
QuoteYou seem to think that all of MLK's followers were black, and thus he would lose all his followers if he were a different color. I do not agree with your assumption. My parents, for example, were some of his staunchest supporters - and that support would not have waned had he been white, or yellow, or red.
You know, Bill, you're right.
Charlton Heston marched with Dr. King. You know, the former National Rifle Association president...
I wonder what Dr. King would say about New Orleans' black mayor ordering the confiscations of guns from civilians who need them to defend their lives in the face of civil disorder and social breakdown.
We know what Charlton Heston would say.
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-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"
QuoteYou would prefer if such speech were squelched and censored?
Surely that's not your vision for a better place...
Squelching and censorship does occur here. I believe that's the function of moderators.
And to answer your broader question, I'm not as big an advocate of free speech as I once was. It seems to me that free speech is the vehicle control freaks use to impose their will on other people.
But I've done this argument in another thread already, and what I learned is that some people are so wed to the idea that they should be able to say any damn mean thing they want to say that they aren't willing to hear an argument that maybe, just maybe, some things just shouldn't be said.
rl
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb
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QuoteAgain, it was his actions, not his skin color, that made him the leader he was.
I could not agree with you more.
Have a good day Bill. I will also take this opportunty to say "Thanks" to you and the other Greenies for the job you and they do on this site. HH started a good thing. Having it moderated by you people has I believe turned it into the site that it is today. You have taught me things about jumping. The worldwide postings are a good thing. Diversity is a good thing. No matter where we live we can come on this site and "talk" to others around the world. Hope you make it to POPS in Australia in 2008. (providing you are a POPS. I have no idea) I promised my boy I would take him so there we go. I'll buy you and any other Greenies a brew.
"It was made a holiday to commemorate someone who has done more for civil rights than anyone else in the 20th century."
Definitely one worthy of respect, and even honouring with a national holiday, but don't overlook contributions to civil rights by the likes of Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, Lech Walesa, and Ghandi.
All of whom I'm sure are rightly honoured in their home countries.
Wasn't MLK's non violent stance based on Ghandi's example?
Definitely one worthy of respect, and even honouring with a national holiday, but don't overlook contributions to civil rights by the likes of Nelson Mandela and Steve Biko, Lech Walesa, and Ghandi.
All of whom I'm sure are rightly honoured in their home countries.
Wasn't MLK's non violent stance based on Ghandi's example?
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QuoteIf he had been white, or indian, or a woman, or an eskimo we would remember him the same way.
This is where a flag is thrown. Do you really think there are enough Eskimos to equal the political power of MLK's followers during the civil rights years?
I agree. However, it's not so much the color of the skin that's important but the historical legacy. If Eskimos had been taken from their families and brought to the US by force to serve as slaves throughout our history, then an Eskimo MLK would be honored just as much.
rehmwa 2
QuoteCharlton Heston marched with Dr. King.
Let's have a yearly holiday - "Charlton Heston Day" too then
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...It was made a holiday to commemorate someone who has done more for civil rights than anyone else in the 20th century...
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Yes. True. If you'll check my original post, you'll see nothing to contradict this.
You appear determined to find a way, somehow, to paint me as someone who harbors unkind racial attitudes, but the best "evidence" you can come up with is the fact that I refuse to tapdance on eggshells when the subject of race is discussed.
When elected officials were debating whether to make this day a holiday, it was pretty damn clear that anyone who voted against doing so would be smeared as a bigot. If I'm mistaken about this, I'd like to see some evidence.
Meanwhile, there are people here who are willing to describe someone as a "bigot" simply for describing black people as black people.
I'm confused.
Cheers again,
Jon
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Yes. True. If you'll check my original post, you'll see nothing to contradict this.
You appear determined to find a way, somehow, to paint me as someone who harbors unkind racial attitudes, but the best "evidence" you can come up with is the fact that I refuse to tapdance on eggshells when the subject of race is discussed.
When elected officials were debating whether to make this day a holiday, it was pretty damn clear that anyone who voted against doing so would be smeared as a bigot. If I'm mistaken about this, I'd like to see some evidence.
Meanwhile, there are people here who are willing to describe someone as a "bigot" simply for describing black people as black people.
I'm confused.
Cheers again,
Jon
MC208B 0
Rhonda, you seem to be the one that wants to be a control freak here
What MLK did or didn't do etc. etc. doesn't matter to me in regards to making his BD a holiday.
It is still a government/financial holiday for the most part.
All of the companies I have worked for (and I've worked for a lot of them) let people have new years day, memorial day, 4th of July, labor day, thanksgiving and christmas day off. One let the employee take their BD off also.
Then again, I've never worked for the gov. or the bank
What MLK did or didn't do etc. etc. doesn't matter to me in regards to making his BD a holiday.
It is still a government/financial holiday for the most part.
All of the companies I have worked for (and I've worked for a lot of them) let people have new years day, memorial day, 4th of July, labor day, thanksgiving and christmas day off. One let the employee take their BD off also.
Then again, I've never worked for the gov. or the bank
QuoteRhonda, you seem to be the one that wants to be a control freak here
Woo hoo! What do I get to control. Gimme, gimme.
I had to replace my sig temporarily, but here's my position:
People demand freedom of speech to make up for the freedom of
thought which they avoid. ~ Soren Aabye Kierkegaard (1813-1855)
A little bit of thought goes a long way.
rl
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb
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By this do you infer a negative attitude where none exists?
I don't do political correctness. The fact is that this holiday was made a holiday under pressure by people who were willing to smear anyone who did not agree as a "racist." This is the element of this whole thing that I find offensive.
If you think I'm wrong, explain...
Cheers,
Jon
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