Things to Ponder

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Possible new law in the United Kingdom will prosecute parents/or who ever disiplines children from time to time with spanking i.e. smacking I believe is the term used in England. Conviction can carry a jail term up to 5 year.

And yet I am characterized as some sort of bad guy for pointing out that England just keeps getting more and more fucked in the head.


If we want to build a society of sociopathic, egomaniacal, id-driven maniac children who do whatever they want at any given moment with absolutely no self-control, then yeah, we should criminalize ALL forms of parent-child punishment. Why stop as spanking? What about being made to sit in the corner? That's just...just...mean! How can we allow parents to torment their children like that?! Just for misbehaving?! What right do parents have to correct misbehavior?!

The STATE knows better!


-Jeffrey
-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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>Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law?

Because a child does not know right from wrong and is not responsible for his/herself. If he likes to play in the freeway, well, he may not know that that's wrong. But if he knows he will get smacked if he plays in the freeway, he will likely not do it. Result - happy survival of kid into adulthood, where they will be better equipped to decide where to play.

billvon defends smacking children?!



I did not expect it!

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Sen.Blutarsky 0]

Perhaps somebody ought to tell those fine chaps that Orwell’s “1984” was never intended to serve as an instruction manual. Assuming you can peel them away from their deep-fried Mars bars long enough to tell ‘em.


Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners!

[billvon 3,107]

>why should I leave when I am not the cause of the disturbance?

No; the PARENT should leave with their child.

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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We chose not to teach those lessons to our own 2 kids. They weren't any easier to raise than most other kids. And I'm proud to say they've turned out very well.

Yeah, and my kids beat the shit out of your kids for wearing dorky shorts to gym class, and take their lunch money daily. Toughen your little pansies up, if you know what's good for 'em!

"Hah hah!"


J/K -- I don't even have any kids.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Perhaps somebody ought to tell those fine chaps that Orwell’s “1984” was never intended to serve as an instruction manual.

I know. I fucking know.
I swear to christ, it really does fucking seem like the British are trying to do EXACTLY every goddamned thing that book warns against doing as a society.

In the newspapers, it reads like a fucking Vonnegut novel.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[Channman 2]

I'm sure there are several ways to raise children, I raised my three girls much the same way I was raised. I do think they got away with far more than I did when growing up but they were daddy's little girls.

We had defined rules of the house and chores that were required of us when growing up. When we were worned to stop a certain behavior my father would make several attempts to get us to settle down and would tell us if we continued he would whip us or ground us to our rooms. If it came to a whipping my father reminded us, "What did I tell you would happen if you continued to misbehave" and we would respond, "you would spank us" Yes and thats what happened.

Learned early in life that there are consiquences to your actions. If parients are unwilling to discipline their children in an effective way that brings about proper manners and respect for those around them, then society usually disciplines them in the court system.

[mr2mk1g 10]

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If we want to build a society of sociopathic, egomaniacal, id-driven maniac children who do whatever they want at any given moment with absolutely no self-control, then yeah, we should criminalize ALL forms of parent-child punishment. Why stop as spanking? What about being made to sit in the corner? That's just...just...mean! How can we allow parents to torment their children like that?! Just for misbehaving?! What right do parents have to correct misbehavior?!

I wish that once - just once Jeffrey, that you would actually have a clue about what you were talking about.

The "possible new law" to which the first poster is referring came into force in January 2005 (ie a year ago) having been passed the previous November. The "possible" bit to which the original poster referred was not proposed by the government or even any of the opposition parties, but by a small number of back bench rebel Labour MP's who were going against the wishes of their party. Needless to say they were substantially defeated.

The law as it was enacted permits parents to smack their children all they want. It does however clarify that if they smack their children so hard as to occasion a wound or actual bodily harm to the child then they could fall fowl of the law.

If you personally feel the need to beat the shit out of any children you have until their faces are cracked and bleeding and their kidneys fail then you Jeffrey would find yourself in difficulty as a result of this law. I suggest if that is how you wish to treat young children that you avoid visiting England, or for that matter any other civilized part of the world.

If however, you wish to smack them because they gave you lip then you would be perfectly within your rights to send them to bed with no tea and a tanned arse should they complain about their treatment.

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And yet I am characterized as some sort of bad guy for pointing out that England just keeps getting more and more fucked in the head.

There certainly are some that are fucked in the head Jeffers... but it ain't England in this instance.

[Andy9o8 2]

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J/K -- I don't even have any kids.

Actually, I figured that out already when you said:
"If we want to build a society of sociopathic, egomaniacal, id-driven maniac children who do whatever they want at any given moment with absolutely no self-control...". It's the sort of thing I've heard quite a few non-parents to say about raising kids.

[juanesky 0]

That is not difficult to see in today's society. Although he does not have kids, it does not disqualify to have an opinion about kids behaviour, as everyone sees kids as daily part of our lifes.

It is sad that it is a trend that is happening world wide, disconsiderate kids, general paranoia about kids (Meant they don't have the same liberties we had when growing up), the feel good society, and the constant negative exposure to undesirable values. Some kids definitely need a good smacking, by their so lenient and patient parents.

The solution, is not easy either.

And I am a parent!

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[AlexCrowley 0]

Hey Darius, you never said anything about being a parent before.

I agree with the other parents on the thread.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[Darius11 12]

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Hey Darius, you never said anything about being a parent before.

I agree with the other parents on the thread.

No I am not a parent and I did mention that in this thread already.

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[AlexCrowley 0]

I know

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[rehmwa 2]

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Hey Darius, you never said anything about being a parent before..

That's cool, bet they are cute.

Hey D - post some pics. how many are you aware that you have?

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Andy9o8 2]

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Some kids definitely need a good smacking, by their so lenient and patient parents.

It is a fallacy that parents who don't use corporal punishment on their kids are lenient.

We didn't have easy kids. We were definitely not lenient with them. I doubt we were any more patient with them than in any average family, possibly less so. They weren't allowed to do anything unsafe, or to mouth off at us or other adults, we were very strict with homework and grades, they had to clean their rooms, they had plenty of chores around the house, they had curfews, they didn't have $$ allowances but had to earn their spending money, we taught them never to smoke, we taught them about the realities of alcohol and drugs, we were very strict about who they rode in cars with as teens, we monitored what friends they hung out with and forbade them from associating with creeps, etc., etc. We punished them no less than any other parents, more so than many.

We simply didn't hit them. And we didn't tolerate them hitting each other (although I've never told them that my sister really had it coming when I used to hit her - LOL). We taught them that violence is a dispute settlement mechanism of last resort, not of first resort. And they've turned out just fine.

[Darius11 12]

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Hey Darius, you never said anything about being a parent before..

That's cool, bet they are cute.

Hey D - post some pics. how many are you aware that you have?

I have 5 kids there out back working for their dad.

I got the two little ones working the field and picking up buds, and the 3 older ones are rolling blunts for there dad. God I love my kids.


Oh wait i have to go beat them now

I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

[Channman 2]

> We didn't have easy kids. We were definitely not lenient with them. I doubt we were any more patient with them than in any average family, possibly less so. They weren't allowed to do anything unsafe, or to mouth off at us or other adults, we were very strict with homework and grades, they had to clean their rooms, they had plenty of chores around the house, they had curfews, they didn't have $$ allowances but had to earn their spending money, we taught them never to smoke, we taught them about the realities of alcohol and drugs, we were very strict about who they rode in cars with as teens, we monitored what friends they hung out with and forbade them from associating with creeps, etc., etc. We punished them no less than any other parents, more so than many.

Wish my sister in law followed your example or at least something better than doing nothing when raising he two boys. Neather of which completed the 9th grade. All I could do not to beat the *&^%*#@ out of em when they would talk back to their mother and telling her to shut the F up. She would get very angry if someone tried to intervene in her behalf. Both have been in and out of jail with the younger one in the Big House for 5 years due to robbing homes and businesses to support a Meth habbit.

The older one, has it seems done a little growing up and is currently employed. But his first offence was beating the crap out of a 65 year old women who refused to let go of her purse.

Some intervention, i.e. (belt to the butt) early on would have gone along ways. I'm sorry to say but the younger one is a danger not only to himself but to the public.

[AlexCrowley 0]

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We simply didn't hit them. And we didn't tolerate them hitting each other (although I've never told them that my sister really had it coming when I used to hit her - LOL). We taught them that violence is a dispute settlement mechanism of last resort, not of first resort. And they've turned out just fine.

I try to teach mine a similar philosophy.

And then I take her to a wrestling show and hit people with chairs

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.