Channman 2 #1 January 11, 2006 Possible new law in the United Kingdom will prosecute parents/or who ever disiplines children from time to time with spanking i.e. smacking I believe is the term used in England. Conviction can carry a jail term up to 5 year. Spanking/Smacking gets you up to 5 years in England. Sexual assault of a small child over a period of 4 years in Vermont gets you 6 months. Wire Taps and monitoring terrorist within and out of the US is a Constitutional crisis. Kennedy authorizing Wire Taps of Martin Luther King was OK. On a lighter side Why does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents? In the 60's, people took acid to make the world seem weird or just to say the word WOW backwards, but take Prozac to make it normal. I don't know, but it all seems a little wacked. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #2 January 11, 2006 Pondering pondering thanks, now my head hurts ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
skydyvr 0 #3 January 11, 2006 QuoteSexual assault of a small child over a period of 4 years in Vermont gets you 6 months. Don't take this as if it were typical -- it's not. Judge Edward Cashman will most likely lose his job over the light sentence, and rightfully so. . . =(_8^(1) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #4 January 11, 2006 Spanking/Smacking gets you up to 5 years in England.Quote Thats just stupid. Kids need to be smacked when they act like little arse holes.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #5 January 11, 2006 QuoteSpanking/Smacking gets you up to 5 years in England.Quote Thats just stupid. Kids need to be smacked when they act like little arse holes. And yet if you smack an adult when he acts like an "arse hole" you get prosecuted for assault. And of course, children are less physically capable of defending themselves from violence committed against them by adults. Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #6 January 11, 2006 QuoteAnd yet if you smack an adult when he acts like an "arse hole" you get prosecuted for assault. And of course, children are less physically capable of defending themselves from violence committed against them by adults. Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? I used to wonder about this very thing when I was a scrawny runt in Junior High School. I'd get picked on, harrassed, threatened with violence all the time. Kids saying they were gonna kill me after school, etc etc. If an adult did anything close to that to another adult, the victim would have ALL KINDS of legal protection. If you're a kid though you're on your own. and this was that age group where some of us were short, skinny kids & others in the same grade were over 6 foot, 180 lbs etc. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #7 January 11, 2006 >Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Because a child does not know right from wrong and is not responsible for his/herself. If he likes to play in the freeway, well, he may not know that that's wrong. But if he knows he will get smacked if he plays in the freeway, he will likely not do it. Result - happy survival of kid into adulthood, where they will be better equipped to decide where to play. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #8 January 11, 2006 Yeah. A harness and leash also work for keeping the kids in-line."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #9 January 11, 2006 QuoteYeah. A harness and leash also work for keeping the kids in-line. It might, but I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #10 January 11, 2006 Quote>Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Because a child does not know right from wrong and is not responsible for his/herself. If he likes to play in the freeway, well, he may not know that that's wrong. But if he knows he will get smacked if he plays in the freeway, he will likely not do it. Result - happy survival of kid into adulthood, where they will be better equipped to decide where to play. We've raised two kids, and we've never once had to strike them or cause them physical pain to keep them safe or keep them in line. (And we did keep them safe, and we did keep them in line.) Corporal punishment may be one method that works, but it's not the only one that does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #11 January 11, 2006 Quotebut I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong. I just don't understand the concept of hitting a child to teach them "right from wrong." It makes no sense... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #12 January 11, 2006 QuoteQuotebut I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong. I just don't understand the concept of hitting a child to teach them "right from wrong." It makes no sense... It seems counterintuitive to me, too. It does teach them that physical strength prevails over weakness, that might makes right, that authority gives one license to strike a subordinate in anger, and that violence is a dispute-settlement mechanism of first resort, instead of last resort. We chose not to teach those lessons to our own 2 kids. They weren't any easier to raise than most other kids. And I'm proud to say they've turned out very well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #13 January 11, 2006 >Corporal punishment may be one method that works, but it's not the >only one that does. I agree. Indeed, it's not one of the better ones; more of a last resort if the child is going to hurt himself through his actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #14 January 11, 2006 <> But then all it would learn would be within the leads length from it's handler, so would never learn to explore and would always need to within that small world ... So, as a parent..... you'd never get rid of the bugger! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #15 January 11, 2006 QuoteIt does teach them that physical strength prevails over weakness, that authority gives one license to strike a subordinate in anger, and that violence is a dispute-settlement mechanism of first resort, instead of last resort. Exactly... Or it teaches them that their parents don't actually know right from wrong, so they're going to have to figure it out for themselves... (which is not necessarily a bad thing - learning to think for yourself is good - but it would kinda suck to feel that way about your parents)... QuoteWe chose not to teach those lessons to our own 2 kids. They weren't any easier to raise than most other kids. And I'm proud to say they've turned out very well. Good for you! I'm sure that raising kids is not easy, but I can't see how spanking them would ever make it any easier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sen.Blutarsky 0 #16 January 11, 2006 QuotePossible new law in the United Kingdom will prosecute parents/or who ever disiplines children from time to time with spanking i.e. smacking I believe is the term used in England. Conviction can carry a jail term up to 5 year. What’s the penalty for smacking parents who wield their children like fashion accessories and passports to preferential treatment? Quite a few of those in my neighborhood I might be willing to do some time for. QuoteWire Taps and monitoring terrorist within and out of the US is a Constitutional crisis. Kennedy authorizing Wire Taps of Martin Luther King was OK. Hey, FDR’s boys didn’t bother with warrants when they felt the need to open mail, eavesdrop on telephone conversations or whisk away private records. Of course FDR had packed SCOTUS by that time … QuoteWhy does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents? Because you need a better tax advisor? QuoteIn the 60's, people took acid to make the world seem weird or just to say the word WOW backwards, but take Prozac to make it normal. The acid labs never quite caught on to the power of consumer mass marketing like Big Pharma has. You can ask your medical doctor or one of her friendly pharmaceutical representatives for additional information. QuoteI don't know, but it all seems a little wacked. Given the process of creative destruction at work, we’ll probably come full circle soon enough. Peace out. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #17 January 11, 2006 QuoteI'm sure that raising kids is not easy, but I can't see how spanking them would ever make it any easier. It doesn't make it any easier (IMO; some would disagree), but it is easier to do. My life's observation is that the vast, vast majority of the time parents use corporal punishment, they don't do so as a thoughtful, considered penalty applied with a cool head, they do so in the heat of anger. And I understand that anger, as every parent can, 'cause kids sure can provoke it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #18 January 12, 2006 Well you and Andy might be right if we lived on the Cosby show. However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on screaming? What do you do? I my self have no kids so I admit I am inexperienced in the matter. When a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. I have seen children who are very well mannered not because they were beaten but because that’s who they are. Some kids are just a pain and well soon enough learn that you will not do anything other then a time out or they get sent up to there room so they can reflect on there bad behavior as they are watching TV, surfing the net, or playing PS2. I am not for Abuse. But kids are smart and they need more of threat then a time out. Also in the real word you do sometimes get your ass kicked for misbehaving sometimes even worst.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #19 January 12, 2006 > However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #20 January 12, 2006 QuoteWhen a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. The "dragging his ass back home" is the most likely situation that will allow you to stop hearing the child screaming. I have watched parents hitting their children in public because they were screaming, and - not so surprisingly - the hitting doesn't seem to make a child scream any less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #21 January 12, 2006 I don’t know Bill but that’s seems a bit unfair. If I am in a public area or a place where there is many people around and it is not children oriented (not chucky cheese for ex) why should I leave when I am not the cause of the disturbance? I am not the one who chose to have a child.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #22 January 12, 2006 Quote> However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. How many children do you have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #23 January 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. The "dragging his ass back home" is the most likely situation that will allow you to stop hearing the child screaming. I have watched parents hitting their children in public because they were screaming, and - not so surprisingly - the hitting doesn't seem to make a child scream any less. If you always beat the kid then there is no threat he/she is used to it. But if you save a smack as a last result when there really acting bad not listening and nothing else’s is working I bet it will shock the fuck out of them. Even if they keep on crying next time they know they better listen and not push it to that level.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #24 January 12, 2006 QuoteI don’t know Bill but that’s seems a bit unfair. If I am in a public area or a place where there is many people around and it is not children oriented (not chucky cheese for ex) why should I leave when I am not the cause of the disturbance? I am not the one who chose to have a child. I'm not sure if Bill meant the screamer's parent should leave or the offended listener should leave. I'll let him clarify that. I also hate to listen to some rug-rat catterwalling in a store or restaurant. Having been the parent of 2 kids hasn't changed that. I remember as a new father asking my mom "Hey, whadda ya do when yer kid starts crying & disturbing people in a public place?" She replied, "Sometimes you simply have to get up and leave. And yes, you'll miss out on your meal or movie or whatever. It comes with the territory of having a small child". I think it's unbelievably inconsiderate when parents in a store or restaurant let their kid just scream and scream and drive everyone else there insane. Take the kid outside. But hitting the kid to make them stop crying? That's complete ignoramus bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #25 January 12, 2006 QuoteQuote> However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. How many children do you have? I have 2, but between them and their cousins, there's a lot. When they got togther they could raise a hell of a racket, especially in public. Crying and screaming can be maddening, but it doesn't harm someone. We never hit our kids for crying. Neither has my sister & her husband, nor any of my wife's siblings. None of our kids are rotten (well, any rottener than usual...), and they've all turned out fine. Hitting is the easy way, and it provides (the parent) with instant gratification as a way of releasing situational stress, but it's not the best way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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Andy9o8 2 #5 January 11, 2006 QuoteSpanking/Smacking gets you up to 5 years in England.Quote Thats just stupid. Kids need to be smacked when they act like little arse holes. And yet if you smack an adult when he acts like an "arse hole" you get prosecuted for assault. And of course, children are less physically capable of defending themselves from violence committed against them by adults. Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SpeedRacer 1 #6 January 11, 2006 QuoteAnd yet if you smack an adult when he acts like an "arse hole" you get prosecuted for assault. And of course, children are less physically capable of defending themselves from violence committed against them by adults. Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? I used to wonder about this very thing when I was a scrawny runt in Junior High School. I'd get picked on, harrassed, threatened with violence all the time. Kids saying they were gonna kill me after school, etc etc. If an adult did anything close to that to another adult, the victim would have ALL KINDS of legal protection. If you're a kid though you're on your own. and this was that age group where some of us were short, skinny kids & others in the same grade were over 6 foot, 180 lbs etc. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #7 January 11, 2006 >Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Because a child does not know right from wrong and is not responsible for his/herself. If he likes to play in the freeway, well, he may not know that that's wrong. But if he knows he will get smacked if he plays in the freeway, he will likely not do it. Result - happy survival of kid into adulthood, where they will be better equipped to decide where to play. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Samurai136 0 #8 January 11, 2006 Yeah. A harness and leash also work for keeping the kids in-line."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #9 January 11, 2006 QuoteYeah. A harness and leash also work for keeping the kids in-line. It might, but I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #10 January 11, 2006 Quote>Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Because a child does not know right from wrong and is not responsible for his/herself. If he likes to play in the freeway, well, he may not know that that's wrong. But if he knows he will get smacked if he plays in the freeway, he will likely not do it. Result - happy survival of kid into adulthood, where they will be better equipped to decide where to play. We've raised two kids, and we've never once had to strike them or cause them physical pain to keep them safe or keep them in line. (And we did keep them safe, and we did keep them in line.) Corporal punishment may be one method that works, but it's not the only one that does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #11 January 11, 2006 Quotebut I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong. I just don't understand the concept of hitting a child to teach them "right from wrong." It makes no sense... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #12 January 11, 2006 QuoteQuotebut I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong. I just don't understand the concept of hitting a child to teach them "right from wrong." It makes no sense... It seems counterintuitive to me, too. It does teach them that physical strength prevails over weakness, that might makes right, that authority gives one license to strike a subordinate in anger, and that violence is a dispute-settlement mechanism of first resort, instead of last resort. We chose not to teach those lessons to our own 2 kids. They weren't any easier to raise than most other kids. And I'm proud to say they've turned out very well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #13 January 11, 2006 >Corporal punishment may be one method that works, but it's not the >only one that does. I agree. Indeed, it's not one of the better ones; more of a last resort if the child is going to hurt himself through his actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites shropshire 0 #14 January 11, 2006 <> But then all it would learn would be within the leads length from it's handler, so would never learn to explore and would always need to within that small world ... So, as a parent..... you'd never get rid of the bugger! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #15 January 11, 2006 QuoteIt does teach them that physical strength prevails over weakness, that authority gives one license to strike a subordinate in anger, and that violence is a dispute-settlement mechanism of first resort, instead of last resort. Exactly... Or it teaches them that their parents don't actually know right from wrong, so they're going to have to figure it out for themselves... (which is not necessarily a bad thing - learning to think for yourself is good - but it would kinda suck to feel that way about your parents)... QuoteWe chose not to teach those lessons to our own 2 kids. They weren't any easier to raise than most other kids. And I'm proud to say they've turned out very well. Good for you! I'm sure that raising kids is not easy, but I can't see how spanking them would ever make it any easier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Sen.Blutarsky 0 #16 January 11, 2006 QuotePossible new law in the United Kingdom will prosecute parents/or who ever disiplines children from time to time with spanking i.e. smacking I believe is the term used in England. Conviction can carry a jail term up to 5 year. What’s the penalty for smacking parents who wield their children like fashion accessories and passports to preferential treatment? Quite a few of those in my neighborhood I might be willing to do some time for. QuoteWire Taps and monitoring terrorist within and out of the US is a Constitutional crisis. Kennedy authorizing Wire Taps of Martin Luther King was OK. Hey, FDR’s boys didn’t bother with warrants when they felt the need to open mail, eavesdrop on telephone conversations or whisk away private records. Of course FDR had packed SCOTUS by that time … QuoteWhy does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents? Because you need a better tax advisor? QuoteIn the 60's, people took acid to make the world seem weird or just to say the word WOW backwards, but take Prozac to make it normal. The acid labs never quite caught on to the power of consumer mass marketing like Big Pharma has. You can ask your medical doctor or one of her friendly pharmaceutical representatives for additional information. QuoteI don't know, but it all seems a little wacked. Given the process of creative destruction at work, we’ll probably come full circle soon enough. Peace out. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #17 January 11, 2006 QuoteI'm sure that raising kids is not easy, but I can't see how spanking them would ever make it any easier. It doesn't make it any easier (IMO; some would disagree), but it is easier to do. My life's observation is that the vast, vast majority of the time parents use corporal punishment, they don't do so as a thoughtful, considered penalty applied with a cool head, they do so in the heat of anger. And I understand that anger, as every parent can, 'cause kids sure can provoke it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #18 January 12, 2006 Well you and Andy might be right if we lived on the Cosby show. However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on screaming? What do you do? I my self have no kids so I admit I am inexperienced in the matter. When a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. I have seen children who are very well mannered not because they were beaten but because that’s who they are. Some kids are just a pain and well soon enough learn that you will not do anything other then a time out or they get sent up to there room so they can reflect on there bad behavior as they are watching TV, surfing the net, or playing PS2. I am not for Abuse. But kids are smart and they need more of threat then a time out. Also in the real word you do sometimes get your ass kicked for misbehaving sometimes even worst.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,107 #19 January 12, 2006 > However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Shotgun 1 #20 January 12, 2006 QuoteWhen a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. The "dragging his ass back home" is the most likely situation that will allow you to stop hearing the child screaming. I have watched parents hitting their children in public because they were screaming, and - not so surprisingly - the hitting doesn't seem to make a child scream any less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #21 January 12, 2006 I don’t know Bill but that’s seems a bit unfair. If I am in a public area or a place where there is many people around and it is not children oriented (not chucky cheese for ex) why should I leave when I am not the cause of the disturbance? I am not the one who chose to have a child.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Gravitymaster 0 #22 January 12, 2006 Quote> However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. How many children do you have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Darius11 12 #23 January 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. The "dragging his ass back home" is the most likely situation that will allow you to stop hearing the child screaming. I have watched parents hitting their children in public because they were screaming, and - not so surprisingly - the hitting doesn't seem to make a child scream any less. If you always beat the kid then there is no threat he/she is used to it. But if you save a smack as a last result when there really acting bad not listening and nothing else’s is working I bet it will shock the fuck out of them. Even if they keep on crying next time they know they better listen and not push it to that level.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #24 January 12, 2006 QuoteI don’t know Bill but that’s seems a bit unfair. If I am in a public area or a place where there is many people around and it is not children oriented (not chucky cheese for ex) why should I leave when I am not the cause of the disturbance? I am not the one who chose to have a child. I'm not sure if Bill meant the screamer's parent should leave or the offended listener should leave. I'll let him clarify that. I also hate to listen to some rug-rat catterwalling in a store or restaurant. Having been the parent of 2 kids hasn't changed that. I remember as a new father asking my mom "Hey, whadda ya do when yer kid starts crying & disturbing people in a public place?" She replied, "Sometimes you simply have to get up and leave. And yes, you'll miss out on your meal or movie or whatever. It comes with the territory of having a small child". I think it's unbelievably inconsiderate when parents in a store or restaurant let their kid just scream and scream and drive everyone else there insane. Take the kid outside. But hitting the kid to make them stop crying? That's complete ignoramus bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Andy9o8 2 #25 January 12, 2006 QuoteQuote> However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. How many children do you have? I have 2, but between them and their cousins, there's a lot. When they got togther they could raise a hell of a racket, especially in public. Crying and screaming can be maddening, but it doesn't harm someone. We never hit our kids for crying. Neither has my sister & her husband, nor any of my wife's siblings. None of our kids are rotten (well, any rottener than usual...), and they've all turned out fine. Hitting is the easy way, and it provides (the parent) with instant gratification as a way of releasing situational stress, but it's not the best way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 Next Page 1 of 2 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. 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SpeedRacer 1 #6 January 11, 2006 QuoteAnd yet if you smack an adult when he acts like an "arse hole" you get prosecuted for assault. And of course, children are less physically capable of defending themselves from violence committed against them by adults. Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? I used to wonder about this very thing when I was a scrawny runt in Junior High School. I'd get picked on, harrassed, threatened with violence all the time. Kids saying they were gonna kill me after school, etc etc. If an adult did anything close to that to another adult, the victim would have ALL KINDS of legal protection. If you're a kid though you're on your own. and this was that age group where some of us were short, skinny kids & others in the same grade were over 6 foot, 180 lbs etc. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #7 January 11, 2006 >Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Because a child does not know right from wrong and is not responsible for his/herself. If he likes to play in the freeway, well, he may not know that that's wrong. But if he knows he will get smacked if he plays in the freeway, he will likely not do it. Result - happy survival of kid into adulthood, where they will be better equipped to decide where to play. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samurai136 0 #8 January 11, 2006 Yeah. A harness and leash also work for keeping the kids in-line."Buttons aren't toys." - Trillian Ken Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #9 January 11, 2006 QuoteYeah. A harness and leash also work for keeping the kids in-line. It might, but I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #10 January 11, 2006 Quote>Why are juveniles deserving of less protection from violence under the law? Because a child does not know right from wrong and is not responsible for his/herself. If he likes to play in the freeway, well, he may not know that that's wrong. But if he knows he will get smacked if he plays in the freeway, he will likely not do it. Result - happy survival of kid into adulthood, where they will be better equipped to decide where to play. We've raised two kids, and we've never once had to strike them or cause them physical pain to keep them safe or keep them in line. (And we did keep them safe, and we did keep them in line.) Corporal punishment may be one method that works, but it's not the only one that does. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #11 January 11, 2006 Quotebut I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong. I just don't understand the concept of hitting a child to teach them "right from wrong." It makes no sense... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #12 January 11, 2006 QuoteQuotebut I rather smack him when he does something wrong but allow him/her there freedom. A child needs to grow but also needs to learn right from wrong. I just don't understand the concept of hitting a child to teach them "right from wrong." It makes no sense... It seems counterintuitive to me, too. It does teach them that physical strength prevails over weakness, that might makes right, that authority gives one license to strike a subordinate in anger, and that violence is a dispute-settlement mechanism of first resort, instead of last resort. We chose not to teach those lessons to our own 2 kids. They weren't any easier to raise than most other kids. And I'm proud to say they've turned out very well. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #13 January 11, 2006 >Corporal punishment may be one method that works, but it's not the >only one that does. I agree. Indeed, it's not one of the better ones; more of a last resort if the child is going to hurt himself through his actions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #14 January 11, 2006 <> But then all it would learn would be within the leads length from it's handler, so would never learn to explore and would always need to within that small world ... So, as a parent..... you'd never get rid of the bugger! (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #15 January 11, 2006 QuoteIt does teach them that physical strength prevails over weakness, that authority gives one license to strike a subordinate in anger, and that violence is a dispute-settlement mechanism of first resort, instead of last resort. Exactly... Or it teaches them that their parents don't actually know right from wrong, so they're going to have to figure it out for themselves... (which is not necessarily a bad thing - learning to think for yourself is good - but it would kinda suck to feel that way about your parents)... QuoteWe chose not to teach those lessons to our own 2 kids. They weren't any easier to raise than most other kids. And I'm proud to say they've turned out very well. Good for you! I'm sure that raising kids is not easy, but I can't see how spanking them would ever make it any easier. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #16 January 11, 2006 QuotePossible new law in the United Kingdom will prosecute parents/or who ever disiplines children from time to time with spanking i.e. smacking I believe is the term used in England. Conviction can carry a jail term up to 5 year. What’s the penalty for smacking parents who wield their children like fashion accessories and passports to preferential treatment? Quite a few of those in my neighborhood I might be willing to do some time for. QuoteWire Taps and monitoring terrorist within and out of the US is a Constitutional crisis. Kennedy authorizing Wire Taps of Martin Luther King was OK. Hey, FDR’s boys didn’t bother with warrants when they felt the need to open mail, eavesdrop on telephone conversations or whisk away private records. Of course FDR had packed SCOTUS by that time … QuoteWhy does a slight tax increase cost you two hundred dollars and a substantial tax cut saves you thirty cents? Because you need a better tax advisor? QuoteIn the 60's, people took acid to make the world seem weird or just to say the word WOW backwards, but take Prozac to make it normal. The acid labs never quite caught on to the power of consumer mass marketing like Big Pharma has. You can ask your medical doctor or one of her friendly pharmaceutical representatives for additional information. QuoteI don't know, but it all seems a little wacked. Given the process of creative destruction at work, we’ll probably come full circle soon enough. Peace out. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #17 January 11, 2006 QuoteI'm sure that raising kids is not easy, but I can't see how spanking them would ever make it any easier. It doesn't make it any easier (IMO; some would disagree), but it is easier to do. My life's observation is that the vast, vast majority of the time parents use corporal punishment, they don't do so as a thoughtful, considered penalty applied with a cool head, they do so in the heat of anger. And I understand that anger, as every parent can, 'cause kids sure can provoke it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #18 January 12, 2006 Well you and Andy might be right if we lived on the Cosby show. However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on screaming? What do you do? I my self have no kids so I admit I am inexperienced in the matter. When a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. I have seen children who are very well mannered not because they were beaten but because that’s who they are. Some kids are just a pain and well soon enough learn that you will not do anything other then a time out or they get sent up to there room so they can reflect on there bad behavior as they are watching TV, surfing the net, or playing PS2. I am not for Abuse. But kids are smart and they need more of threat then a time out. Also in the real word you do sometimes get your ass kicked for misbehaving sometimes even worst.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,107 #19 January 12, 2006 > However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Shotgun 1 #20 January 12, 2006 QuoteWhen a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. The "dragging his ass back home" is the most likely situation that will allow you to stop hearing the child screaming. I have watched parents hitting their children in public because they were screaming, and - not so surprisingly - the hitting doesn't seem to make a child scream any less. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #21 January 12, 2006 I don’t know Bill but that’s seems a bit unfair. If I am in a public area or a place where there is many people around and it is not children oriented (not chucky cheese for ex) why should I leave when I am not the cause of the disturbance? I am not the one who chose to have a child.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #22 January 12, 2006 Quote> However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. How many children do you have? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Darius11 12 #23 January 12, 2006 QuoteQuoteWhen a child is screaming in public I just want the little fucker to shut the hell up, and would love it if the mother or father after her 10th attempted at threatening the child with a time out would smack the fucker and drag his ass back home. The "dragging his ass back home" is the most likely situation that will allow you to stop hearing the child screaming. I have watched parents hitting their children in public because they were screaming, and - not so surprisingly - the hitting doesn't seem to make a child scream any less. If you always beat the kid then there is no threat he/she is used to it. But if you save a smack as a last result when there really acting bad not listening and nothing else’s is working I bet it will shock the fuck out of them. Even if they keep on crying next time they know they better listen and not push it to that level.I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #24 January 12, 2006 QuoteI don’t know Bill but that’s seems a bit unfair. If I am in a public area or a place where there is many people around and it is not children oriented (not chucky cheese for ex) why should I leave when I am not the cause of the disturbance? I am not the one who chose to have a child. I'm not sure if Bill meant the screamer's parent should leave or the offended listener should leave. I'll let him clarify that. I also hate to listen to some rug-rat catterwalling in a store or restaurant. Having been the parent of 2 kids hasn't changed that. I remember as a new father asking my mom "Hey, whadda ya do when yer kid starts crying & disturbing people in a public place?" She replied, "Sometimes you simply have to get up and leave. And yes, you'll miss out on your meal or movie or whatever. It comes with the territory of having a small child". I think it's unbelievably inconsiderate when parents in a store or restaurant let their kid just scream and scream and drive everyone else there insane. Take the kid outside. But hitting the kid to make them stop crying? That's complete ignoramus bullshit. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #25 January 12, 2006 QuoteQuote> However in real life sometimes when you ask a child to stop > screaming in public they don't listen, and because you have already > over used the I will give you a time out line they still keep on > screaming? What do you do? Leave. Spanking is one of things for when everything else fails; when the child's behavior is going to hurt himself or someone else and he cannot be dissuaded any other way. Crying in public? That's something most kids do, and doesn't hurt anyone. How many children do you have? I have 2, but between them and their cousins, there's a lot. When they got togther they could raise a hell of a racket, especially in public. Crying and screaming can be maddening, but it doesn't harm someone. We never hit our kids for crying. Neither has my sister & her husband, nor any of my wife's siblings. None of our kids are rotten (well, any rottener than usual...), and they've all turned out fine. Hitting is the easy way, and it provides (the parent) with instant gratification as a way of releasing situational stress, but it's not the best way. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
