Why'd they have to KILL him?! Why couldn't they just give him CANDY?!

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Florida bank robbery suspect (1 of 2) shot dead while holding hostage


Well now... I'm so very upset. This man could have been captured alive -- they could have shot him in the leg with a surgically-placed shot! -- and then rehabilitated to become a productive member of society!


Instead, they killed him. What's wrong with them?! Can't they see he was harmless?! He shot AT police. He didn't SHOOT POLICE! And hostages said that they "weren't threatened with violence!" (Nooo... a gun pointed at you is not being threatened with violence. Only having it fired at you is being threatened with violence, I guess...)




Really... "The hostages said they were treated well and were not threatened with violence, Hansell said."

Since fuckin' when is being taken hostage by people with guns being "treated well" and "not threatened with violence."

I have news for these idiots: any time someone is holding you from going about your free will, using a gun, you are fucking NOT being treated well and you fucking ARE being threatened with violence.


Anyway, I'm glad he's dead, the piece of shit.
Too bad they didn't get his bitch, too.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[SkyDekker 1,465]

Hey are you allowed to carry a concealed weapon in Florida?

if so, why was this bankrobber not worried that he could get shot by a citizen. Isn't that the whole argument for conccealed carry...thise whole armed society is polity stuff....

This guy was armed, but didn't seem overly polite

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if so, why was this bankrobber not worried that he could get shot by a citizen<<<<<

Even with a concealed weapon permit, it would be illegal to have one in a bank, unless your a police officer.

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Florida bank robbery suspect (1 of 2) shot dead while holding hostage


Well now... I'm so very upset. This man could have been captured alive -- they could have shot him in the leg with a surgically-placed shot! -- and then rehabilitated to become a productive member of society!


Instead, they killed him. What's wrong with them?! Can't they see he was harmless?! He shot AT police. He didn't SHOOT POLICE! And hostages said that they "weren't threatened with violence!" (Nooo... a gun pointed at you is not being threatened with violence. Only having it fired at you is being threatened with violence, I guess...)




Really... "The hostages said they were treated well and were not threatened with violence, Hansell said."

Since fuckin' when is being taken hostage by people with guns being "treated well" and "not threatened with violence."

I have news for these idiots: any time someone is holding you from going about your free will, using a gun, you are fucking NOT being treated well and you fucking ARE being threatened with violence.


Anyway, I'm glad he's dead, the piece of shit.
Too bad they didn't get his bitch, too.


-Jeffrey

From what i know and have heard - and can empathise with - is that no one (sane) wants to kill someone or pull a trigger on someone. I'm glad no innocents were injured or killed, but it's still not an ideal outcome for anyone - perp or otherwise. Ask any member of any kind of reputable police tactical team and they will say that the best way to end a job is to do it without a shot being fired.

Sometimes criminals leave police with no option, as was most likely the case here. But at the end of the day, someone is dead and a cop has to deal with the psychological fall out of having to do something most of us dream we are never in a position to have to do ourselves.

I wouldn't exactly be celebrating and joyous this tidbit of rather morose news frankly, or wishing that the cops had bagged the female accomplice while they were at it too.

Just my thoughts.

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From what i know and have heard - and can empathise with - is that no one (sane) wants to kill someone or pull a trigger on someone.

If that were the case, there would be no convictions for murder, would there? In terms of criminal insanity, to be insane is to not know the difference between right and wrong.

There are plenty of people out there who are sane. In fact, most murderers are pretty damned sane, aren't they? Thy know it's wrong and they do it, anyway.

Unfortunately, there are millions of people who don't think like you do. There are millions who are sociopaths.

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From what i know and have heard - and can empathise with - is that no one (sane) wants to kill someone or pull a trigger on someone.

If that were the case, there would be no convictions for murder, would there? In terms of criminal insanity, to be insane is to not know the difference between right and wrong.

There are plenty of people out there who are sane. In fact, most murderers are pretty damned sane, aren't they? Thy know it's wrong and they do it, anyway.

Unfortunately, there are millions of people who don't think like you do. There are millions who are sociopaths.

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(as you guys would say)

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if so, why was this bankrobber not worried that he could get shot by a citizen<<<<<

Even with a concealed weapon permit, it would be illegal to have one in a bank, unless your a police officer.

100% incorrect.

There is no prohibition against concealed weapons in a bank, per the Florida law concerning firearms carry.

If you assert that there is, please cite the section of the law.

I've done a bit of your homework for you (hope the teacher doesn't find out!):

Here is a link to the Florida state website concerning where carry is restricted.


Now, regarding Skydekker's cynical question, is it only true if it's true 100% of the time? Maybe some bank robbers would worry about that, but some wouldn't, and these two didn't.

I don't claim that my gun is guaranteed to save me. I have it so that I'd have a chance, in those situations which might occur in which having a gun would provide the best chance of defending myself successfully.

You really think I believe that it's magical protection?


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Hey are you allowed to carry a concealed weapon in Florida?

if so, why was this bankrobber not worried that he could get shot by a citizen. Isn't that the whole argument for conccealed carry...thise whole armed society is polity stuff....

You're making the assumption that all criminals are intelligent. Some are, not all. This case wasn't so impressive in the intelligent criminal department.

If you want to play with your arguement, you don't know how many folks haven't attempted to rob that bank due to the CHL laws.

If it completely caused crime to stop, then having police officers on the streets patrolling would have stopped crime 100% years and years ago. However, you don't know how many things may have been prevented due to there being a presence.

Absolutes don't work well when dealing with people and their decisions.

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If you want to play with your arguement, you don't know how many folks haven't attempted to rob that bank due to the CHL laws.

And you don't know how many murders were prevented because a gun wasn't around. Or how many murderes would not have killed if they didn't have a gun....

We can argue like that all day long...

Edited to add: you are now officially a criminal....posting anonimously and annoying people.....man of the law like your self should know better

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You're making the assumption that all criminals are intelligent.

you're only allowed to do that when checking luggage

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And you don't know how many murders were prevented because a gun wasn't around. Or how many murderes would not have killed if they didn't have a gun....

We can argue like that all day long... ***

Your last line proves my point, atleast the one I was making in my previous post in reference to your previous post. Get it?

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ohhh I get it...also means the argument from the other side holds no water

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Sometimes criminals leave police with no option, as was most likely the case here. But at the end of the day, someone is dead and a cop has to deal with the psychological fall out...

Fictional news interview:

Reporter: "Officer, what did you feel when you pulled the trigger on that kidnapper?"

Officer: "Recoil."

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ohhh I get it...also means the argument from the other side holds no water

If you wish to believe, but that's been proven with crime stats more then a few times in the past.

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The poor perpetrators. Why in the hell do we pity them?

A year or so ago in Toronto a woman was being held at knifepoint by a deranged man (may have been an ex, I can't remember). After long and fruitless talks with him a police sniper shot him and killed him. Of course, the bleeding hearts moaned about how they should have kept negotiating, they were too quick, etc, etc. Never did I hear any of them put themselves in the woman's shoes and consider what it was like having a knife held to your throat by a lunatic who might just take your head half off at any moment. I bet she couldn't wait for them to shoot the asshole.

If you use a weapon, threaten other people's lives with it and are killed by a police officer....who is doing his job to protect the innocent....tough shit.

(fancy a Canadian talking like that...not all of us are bleeding hearts up here.)

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If you use a weapon, threaten other people's lives with it and are killed by a police officer....who is doing his job to protect the innocent....tough shit.

EXACTLY. It's not hard to live your life never holding someone hostage with a knife to her throat. So if you do decide to do that, you have only yourself to blame for taking a .308 to the noggin.

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(fancy a Canadian talking like that...not all of us are bleeding hearts up here.)

Thank you!
-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Anyway, I'm glad he's dead, the piece of shit.
Too bad they didn't get his bitch, too.

You amaze me. You really love killing so much.

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Hey, so, you going to his funeral?

Sounds like you're gonna miss him, the poor guy.

So, so sad.


You know what amazes me? The fact that you give a shit for the life of a scumbag who pulls a gun on people in a bank and takes innocent people hostage.


Or is this really all about your fascination with me and what I like?


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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Hey, so, you going to his funeral?

Sounds like you're gonna miss him, the poor guy.

So, so sad.


You know what amazes me? The fact that you give a shit for the life of a scumbag who pulls a gun on people in a bank and takes innocent people hostage.


Or is this really all about your fascination with me and what I like?


-Jeffrey

I didn't make a value judgement either way about the guy. You seem to have read that into my remarks.

What amazes me is your seeming desire for people to be killed. You ever stop to really think about that?

Coreece: "You sound like some skinheads I know, but your prejudice is with Christians, not niggers..."

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Nope, I just plow on through, let 'er rip! -- the more people who die, the better!


How you can think I just want people to be killed is beyond me. I make it pretty clear that I dislike criminals. To take issue with me wanting criminals executed (or killed in the act by their victims or by police responding while the crime is in progress) makes it seem like you sympathize with criminals.

Sorry, that's just what comes across from you taking issue with the death of scumbags.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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if so, why was this bankrobber not worried that he could get shot by a citizen. Isn't that the whole argument for conccealed carry...thise whole armed society is polity stuff....

It is illegal to carry a weapon into a bank if they have a sign not allowing them....And I have yet to ever see such a bank.

So the law abiding citizens were unarmed.
And even if you have a gun, it is not a license to use it. You have to look at the risk of pulling it out vs playing along.

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100% incorrect.

There is no prohibition against concealed weapons in a bank, per the Florida law concerning firearms carry.

There is no law that says you can't. But the law also says that you are not allowed to have a weapon in an establishment where the owner says you can not have one.

Find me a bank that does not have the no guns allowed sign please.

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Why'd they have to kill him????

Because he was really f'in annoying, and they didn't like him being around

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100% incorrect.

There is no prohibition against concealed weapons in a bank, per the Florida law concerning firearms carry.

There is no law that says you can't. But the law also says that you are not allowed to have a weapon in an establishment where the owner says you can not have one.

Find me a bank that does not have the no guns allowed sign please.

I don't recall having seen them near me.

Businesses can run into liability problems if they prohibit people from doing something (in this case, carrying a legally concealed gun) and it ends up causing them a problem. (Like, someone might sue if they were robbed on their way back to their car because they didn't have their gun on them to defend themselves.)

The law says nothing about carrying where the proprietor says "No guns allowed." The law that would govern that is the one that covers trespassing. And you would have to first be discovered to be carrying a gun, and asked to leave, and then refuse to leave while a cop witnesses your refusal.

Let's look at one of the reasons for this:
- What would stop a store manager from calling the cops on someone who had a concealed gun in the store before ever asking the person to leave on account of the gun? The cops can't take the word of the manager; they have to witness him ask you to leave before they deem you to be trespassing. They have no way of knowing if you were or were not asked to leave before they were summoned.


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

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The poor perpetrators. Why in the hell do we pity them?

A year or so ago in Toronto a woman was being held at knifepoint by a deranged man (may have been an ex, I can't remember). After long and fruitless talks with him a police sniper shot him and killed him. Of course, the bleeding hearts moaned about how they should have kept negotiating, they were too quick, etc, etc. Never did I hear any of them put themselves in the woman's shoes and consider what it was like having a knife held to your throat by a lunatic who might just take your head half off at any moment. I bet she couldn't wait for them to shoot the asshole.

If you use a weapon, threaten other people's lives with it and are killed by a police officer....who is doing his job to protect the innocent....tough shit.

(fancy a Canadian talking like that...not all of us are bleeding hearts up here.)

I know the sniper, his training buddy and his Sergeant, who gave the order to shoot that day....Interesting titbit of info...there was no trained hostage negotiator in the city of Toronto that day, nor was any attempted....