wmw999 2,589 #26 January 5, 2006 In Tip O'Neill's book Speaker of the House he said that while Carter was probably the most intellectually apt president he served under, he was the most incapable of working the system to compromise. Apparently he figured right was right and wrong was wrong. No desire to either hide his mistakes (remember the killer bunny, and the lust in his heart) or trumpet his strengths (he had some pretty significant ones; among other things, he was a pretty doggone good peanut farmer). While he wasn't really temperamentally suited to politics, neither was he the worst president. To compare him with the likes of Harding (!) is ridiculous. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #27 January 5, 2006 OK, roll call. So far, I've seen implicit comparisons of Jimmy Carter with Billy Carter, Ted Kennedy and Yasir Arafat, and some jerkwad committee chairman who was publicly reproached by the rest of the committee. (Edit: Oh, yeah, apparently he knowingly and with malice aforethought defrauded the United States Naval Academy about his flat feet. What a scoundrel. I think they should retroactively strip him of his degree and his commission.) How about this radical idea: Let Jimmy Carter and his life be judged on their own merits. Cut out the bullshit already. It may be cute talking points to be repeated by Limbaugh's dittoheads, but it really persuades nobody. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #28 January 5, 2006 QuoteOh, yes. Certainly far worse than Ron Reagan allowing presidential decisions to be guided by the advice of Nancy's astrologer. Astrological beliefs are not inherently inferior to the beliefs of a recognized religion in my book. Nancy Reagan believed in astrology, Jimmy Carter believed in his Baptist Church. A distinction without a difference. QuoteC'mon, now. Do you really want to bring the discussion down to this level? Please. Other than correcting a misquote, what material have you contributed to elevate the discussion? Nothing thus far. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #29 January 5, 2006 QuoteTo compare him with the likes of Harding (!) is ridiculous. Warren G. or Tonya? I get them confused. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
micro 0 #30 January 5, 2006 Quote(Edit: Oh, yeah, apparently he knowingly and with malice aforethought defrauded the United States Naval Academy about his flat feet. What a scoundrel. I think they should retroactively strip him of his degree and his commission.) Lordie sakes alive man, get those panties untwisted before you blow a gasket! I thought his coke bottle rolling was actually quite clever. I miss Lee. And JP. And Chris. And... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #31 January 5, 2006 >Jimmy Carter was one of the worst presidents in American history. 1) How many US servicemen died under his watch? How many other people did he have the US military kill? 2) He didn't get much done. Which is a good thing; the greatest threat to our freedom now comes from people who want to change things ("for our protection" of course) and create new ministries with dozens of sub-agencies. 3) Note that it is not the president's job to make the country feel good. If that IS his job, Jim Carrey would be the ideal president. (Note - I was not serious about Jim Carrey! Do not start a campaign!) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #32 January 5, 2006 Just because he was a lousy president and administrator doesn't mean he wasn't intelligent and well meaning in other areas. Carter seemed like a decent guy in a bad match for the job of presidency. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #33 January 5, 2006 QuoteAstrological beliefs are not inherently inferior to the beliefs of a recognized religion in my book. I agree. I've always found it hypocritical when members of large, organized faiths refer to more "obscure" faiths as "cults", or their adherents' beliefs as "superstitions". QuoteNancy Reagan believed in astrology, Jimmy Carter believed in his Baptist Church. A distinction without a difference. Not true- in this context. The presidential actions of Jimmy Carter that were informed by his religious faith were those that were grounded in a fairly universal ethic of human decency and dignity and morality, but from a Christian perspective, since Carter, by happenstance of birth and environment, was taught to equate those ethics with his Christian faith. As Wendy said, he apparently felt that right is right & wrong is wrong, leading to minor things like no alcohol in the White House, or ill-considered decisions like boycotting the Olympics when the USSR invaded Afghanistan. Did it cause undue timidity in exercising military force, such as during the Iranian hostage crisis? Maybe so. But he never tried to walk on water or turn water into wine because his faith taught him that Christ did so. But Nancy Reagan was constantly messing with President Reagan's daily schedule, his trips abroad, etc., based on her astrologer's interpretation of the alignment of the moon and stars; and it caused so much friction that it eventually caused Chief of Staff Donald Regan to resign. So in practical effect, the distinction made a very real difference. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OATSF14 0 #34 January 5, 2006 QuoteJimmy Carter was one of the worst presidents in American history Agreed. Let him stick to building houses. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #35 January 5, 2006 QuoteNot true- in this context. You may have a valid point there. Reagan’s belief system and relationship with his wife helped make him into an effective president. Whereas Carter’s beliefs apparently helped shape him into being an ineffective president. I do give President Carter credit for stepping up to the high office at a time when almost nobody else wanted the job because of the problems we were facing as a nation. Quoteill-considered decisions like boycotting the Olympics when the USSR invaded Afghanistan. Musing aloud, I wonder why it is that some people feel that April Glaspie erred by not laying down the law of the jungle for Saddam Hussein immediately before Iraq invaded Kuwait, yet these people don’t criticize the Carter Administration for its failure to do the same thing with the Soviets on the eve of their invasion of Afghanistan? Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #36 January 5, 2006 Hmmm...stating that Carter received the same prize as then Terrorist in Chief Arafat is not a comparison of the two - it's a statement of fact. Jimmy Carter is a far, far, far, far, far, far, far better man than Arafat...as is Bubba Clinton, Harry Reid, Madame Clintonista, and pretty much everybody else in American politics - even TeddyK and Bobby Byrd. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #37 January 5, 2006 1) I'm not sure. How many died under FDR and Truman? How many innocent people died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki? 2) Surely a nuclear power and biodiesel proponent such as yourself would never forget that the Department of Energy was spawned under President Carter's administration. This is not an Anvil endorsement of DHS, by the way, which I do not like. I do like DoE - good idea JimmyC, but poor execution. 3) It's a President's job to lead. You don't do that by stating a 'malaise' or 'crisis of confidence' exists and doing nothing to correct it. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #38 January 5, 2006 >...even TeddyK and Bobby Byrd. Byrd...your not talking about the KKK Byrd are you? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #39 January 5, 2006 Yes, he's a former klansman, but I still say he's a far better man than that piece of shit Arafat. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #40 January 5, 2006 QuoteYes, he's a former klansman, Why dont you enlighten us who is a current clansman or member of the CCC??? That would be a far more interesting post from you.. just for "balance" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #41 January 5, 2006 QuoteWhy dont you enlighten us who is a current clansman or member of the CCC??? It’s my understanding that Pat Buchanan can rightfully claim descendancy from the celtic clan Buchanan whose motto is Clarior hinc Honos. Pat always springs to my mind when I think about prominent living clansmen for some reason or another. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OATSF14 0 #42 January 5, 2006 Quoteeven TeddyK and Bobby Byrd I will admit that Carter is probably a better driver than TeddyK.....especially crossing bridges. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TheAnvil 0 #43 January 6, 2006 I wouldn't know off the top of my head, though I believe Dick Gephardt spoke at a CCC meeting once during a campaign. That turd Trent Lott was a CCC member for a while I believe. Why don't you enlighten us, since the topic interests you. Vinny the Anvil Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL JACKASS POWER!!!!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #44 January 6, 2006 Quote...I've seen implicit comparisons of Jimmy Carter with Billy Carter... At least we knew that his alcoholic relatives were not worthy of being president. (unlike the first Bush)illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
