Shipping Firearms ?

[AggieDave 6]

Mine is bigger, no mine is bigger, no mine is bigger...see. Ah, that's nothing compared to mine...


And the argument continues as such.

At the end of the day it doesn't matter if you can by law or even if a shipping company (or the USPS) will ship a firearm IF the local chapter won't ship it. Call up your local UPS/FedEx/DHL (or whomever) and ask what their polices are. Also check your local listings for law enforcement. Sometimes you'll find when the law is fairly grey in application the application varies from location to location slightly, even though the spirit of the law is upheld generally.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

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Sure it is no trouble for me to drive to my FFL and pay for him to arrange shipping, but is even less for me to just do it myself. It may be easier for some if they live much closer to an FFL than a suitable shipping carrier. Do it how ever you want but it is the shippers choice. It is perfectly legal to ship a firearm without using an FFL. So long as it is going to yourself, or an FFL(Manufacturers are FFL's which is why this is legal)

Are you saying that if you, say, sold a handgun to me, whether in the same state or different, you could just send it UPS to me, when neither of us in an FFL?

I seriously think that is not legal. For one thing, an FFL is REQUIRED for interstate sales of handguns (not so for sales within a state). For another, I am pretty sure (haven't I said that before) that the NRA's interpretation of the federal law is what stands: interstate shipping of handguns is required to be FFL to FFL.

-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[rwieder 0]

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Are you saying that if you, say, sold a handgun to me, whether in the same state or different, you could just send it UPS to me, when neither of us in an FFL?

Jeffrey:

The door to the mind is closed. Your wasting your time. I can't go into details, but i've had a lot of experience doing this very same thing, along with all types and classes of weapons. One things sure if anyone was to ship a pre-ban Colt H-Bar Match Sporter .223 caliber rifle with a flash hider and a lower reciever that fires 3 round bursts, and switches to automatic fire without shipping through FFL dealers or license holders, that person would be in a lot of trouble.

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

[peacefuljeffrey 0]

My reservations are about what he said regarding shipping handguns interstate. I still am under the belief (because I have been told it so much, and read it in places) that an FFL must be between the seller/buyer at each end.

I'm not sure if you're saying that the AWB, which is no longer law, has an effect on shipping of "pre/post ban" weapons. I can't see how that would still enter into it. We can now purchase newly manufacured "pre-ban"-type weapons with no legal impediments other than the ordinary ones...

You're aware of that, right?


-Jeffrey

-Jeffrey
"With tha thoughts of a militant mind... Hard line, hard line after hard line!"

[craddock 0]

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Are you saying that if you, say, sold a handgun to me, whether in the same state or different, you could just send it UPS to me, when neither of us in an FFL?

No

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[craddock 0]

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One things sure if anyone was to ship a pre-ban Colt H-Bar Match Sporter .223 caliber rifle with a flash hider and a lower reciever that fires 3 round bursts, and switches to automatic fire without shipping through FFL dealers or license holders, that person would be in a lot of trouble.

The Machine Gun Ban goes back to 84 and 86 and has nothing to do with the 94 AWB that has now sunsetted. There is alot more that goes into transfering a Class III weapon than using an FFL to ship. No federal laws about Flash hiders though. Sounds like you are confusing different laws.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[mnealtx 0]

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Are you saying that if you, say, sold a handgun to me, whether in the same state or different, you could just send it UPS to me, when neither of us in an FFL?

Jeffrey:

The door to the mind is closed. Your wasting your time. I can't go into details, but i've had a lot of experience doing this very same thing, along with all types and classes of weapons. One things sure if anyone was to ship a pre-ban Colt H-Bar Match Sporter .223 caliber rifle with a flash hider and a lower reciever that fires 3 round bursts, and switches to automatic fire without shipping through FFL dealers or license holders, that person would be in a lot of trouble.

The fact that you've done it, doesn't make it legal.

From the ATF FAQ -

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(B8) May a nonlicensee ship a firearm through the U. S. Postal Service?

A nonlicensee may mail a shotgun or rifle to a resident of his or her own state or to a licensee in any state. Handguns are not mailable. A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun. A nonlicensee may not transfer any firearm to a nonlicensed resident of another state. The Postal Service recommends that longguns be sent by registered mail and that no marking of any kind which would indicate the nature of the contents be placed on the outside of any parcel containing firearms.

Licensee, in this case, means FFL holder.

So, inside of a state, non-FFL holders can mail a long gun (rifle or shotgun) to another non-FFL holder via USPS. Across state lines, an FFL holder has to be involved.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[craddock 0]

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My reservations are about what he said regarding shipping handguns interstate. I still am under the belief (because I have been told it so much, and read it in places) that an FFL must be between the seller/buyer at each end.

Bullshit. Your reservations were about firearms in general not Handguns

How about this. I have a Springfield Operator I will sell you as I would like to buy a new standard TRP without the full rail as my Operator has. It is quite a nice piece so I am sure you will enjoy it. Sweet, crisp 4 LB trigger. Will Feed and Extract anything and is very accurate. You have your FFL fax me a copy of his FFL and I will ship the hangun to him as soon as I have received payment from you. I will ship via Fed-Ex Air.

Then we can settle what is legal, while you get a very nice 1911 out of the deal and I can get my new TRP that I was going to get in March anyway. Everybodies happy although your wallet will be alittle bit lighter.

Contact me for payment info

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[craddock 0]

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So, inside of a state, non-FFL holders can mail a long gun (rifle or shotgun) to another non-FFL holder via USPS. Across state lines, an FFL holder has to be involved.

Just to clarify as there are some comprehension problems here. The FFL has to be on the recieving end. It does not have to be shipped by an FFL. Although the USPS will not ship a hangun from a non-FLL holder Hence there statement "A common or contract carrier must be used to ship a handgun."

I am not correcting your post just adding to it

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[mnealtx 0]

Agreed, and good catch.

Mike
I love you, Shannon and Jim.
POPS 9708 , SCR 14706

[craddock 0]

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Mine is bigger, no mine is bigger, no mine is bigger...see. Ah, that's nothing compared to mine...


And the argument continues as such.

What's your problem? I was trying to help the OP who was being fed bad Info. I said first off to check his local laws. He can ship them without an FFL legaly as far as the Fed's are concerned. And it is not that hard to do in most places despite what some on here are insinuating.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[AggieDave 6]

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What's your problem?

I'm making fun of the level of arguements on this thread, then followed with the advice to check your local listings. Its sound advice instead of arguing via the internet on someone's personal take on what a law says.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[craddock 0]

Personal take? It is not like there is a huge amount of gray area on the law.

What's your take. Besides to check locally first which I suggested early in this thread. I only got into this because of all the bad uneducated info. being handed out to the OP.

That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

[AggieDave 6]

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Personal take? It is not like there is a huge amount of gray area on the law.

HA! Ok, believe what you want. There's always grey areas in the law, even though LEOs try very very hard to follow the absolute letter of the law. Sometimes it comes down to what a DA or other prosecuter is willing to try and what criteria he/she wants to see to try a case.

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What's your take.

I'll leave that public opinion statement to those with a law degree.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[JohnRich 4]

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I need to ship some firearms from North Carolina to California.

Here is a way to find an FFL in your area which can do the transfer for you: http://listings.shotgunnews.com/fflguide/

Welcome to the confusing world of gun laws. This is how the anti-gun folks get honest people locked-up for simply daring to exercise their 2nd Amendment right. By making such a legal minefield, it's how they hope to discourage gun ownership in general.

[rwieder 0]

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The fact that you've done it, doesn't make it legal.

Wait a minute, i never said i did anything like this, and never have. JFTR.

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"