The Democratic Position on Iraq

[JohnnyD 0]

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Here's a fact for you: THE LEFT HAS NO PLAN.

And I say again: You are all about left and right. You support something you know is wrong because of it.
I'll say it again because its worth it:

Right and wrong is more important than right and left.

Thanks for making my point.

You are almost correct here because it is about right and wrong!

Bush is right, you are wrong.........but your hatred will not let you see......

Ho Lee Shit!
If you can wedge a tv in with you under that rock you're living under, you will find there are no wmds.
Bush was wrong. WAY wrong.
No amount of blind support will change that.

[JohnnyD 0]

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Here we go. More of the same from the left.

'Bush took us to war under false pretenses!'

'Bush lied!'

'Bush is an idiot who spilled innocent blood!'

'Bush was wrong!'

Still harping on Bush's taking us to war based upon intelligence that was not 100% accurate while simultaneously failing to grasp the fact that intelligence is NEVER 100% accurate.

When will the leftists get it through their heads that

1) intelligence is never 100% accurate
2) we are in Iraq now, like it or not
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Left this, right that. Jesus Harold Christ.
Shut off your radio and reengage your brain.
Try a post that says: I believe.........
and don't quote Rush.

[rushmc 23]

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Here's a fact for you: THE LEFT HAS NO PLAN.

And I say again: You are all about left and right. You support something you know is wrong because of it.
I'll say it again because its worth it:

Right and wrong is more important than right and left.

Thanks for making my point.

You are almost correct here because it is about right and wrong!

Bush is right, you are wrong.........but your hatred will not let you see......

Ho Lee Shit!
If you can wedge a tv in with you under that rock you're living under, you will find there are no wmds.
Bush was wrong. WAY wrong.
No amount of blind support will change that.

Hey, now I know where you get your info!!! TV!!!
Now I know why your perspective is all screwed up

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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1) intelligence is never 100% accurate
2) we are in Iraq now, like it or not
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1. Blix and Elbaradei appear to have been 100% accurate.

2. If Bush had paid attention to Blix and Elbaradei we wouldn't be in Iraq now.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[kallend 2,148]

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Hate Clinton? No, I did not hate him. I hate what he did to the office of the President. I hate the fact that a felon did not get impeached because the Repulicans were afraid of the washington media.

No, I don't hate him. I bring him up to show your complete and utter hypocrosy.

There are many things Bush is doing, along with the Republicans in congress that I do not like. But, we are a safer country because of him. I can not even imagine how many more attacks would have been complted had Kerry won.

All the Senators had access to the intel reports. 6 siged the report out.

SH did have WMDs but because of the left BS IMHO SH move those weapons and programs to Syria.

Colin Powell contradicts you. Kay contradicts you. Duelfer contradicts you.

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SH did have contacts REGULARLY with al queda, those records are coming out but your news sources refuse to report on it because it does not fit thier agenda.

The CIA contradicts you.

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....trying hard not to be "stuck on stupid"....

You are deluded. Try laying off Newsmax for a few days. Maybe you'll come unstuck

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[rushmc 23]

You pick only the parts of the Blix report that support your argument. He notes how disfuntional SH made his team and states that there are signs the weapons were moved

You use facts out of context very well, I will give you that

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

Again, you use partial fact ...better get the Duelfer report and get back to me

Oh, and you counterdict me you missed one.....

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

I think I will keep using NewsMax since you are bothered by it some much

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TheAnvil 0]

Goody goody! The 'people who don't agree with me and take leftist dogma as gospel just don't think' argument. How fun!

What makes you think I listen to Rush? Whatever it is, rethink your conclusion - I don't listen to Rush and haven't for quite some time. Think that if it makes you feel better, though.

You might want to watch with your thinly veiled personal attacks on rushmc. Me - who cares. PA's against others have the potential to get you banned and you're tons of fun in here.

Still waiting on your plan.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[TheAnvil 0]

And if Bush the Elder's ambassador to Iraq had responded differently to Saddam's query about conflicts between the Arab states, he probably would not have invaded Kuwait.

We're still in Iraq.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[JohnnyD 0]

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Goody goody! The 'people who don't agree with me and take leftist dogma as gospel just don't think' argument. How fun!

I don't know what leftist dogma is. I am not a Democrat or a leftist.

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What makes you think I listen to Rush? Whatever it is, rethink your conclusion - I don't listen to Rush and haven't for quite some time. Think that if it makes you feel better, though.

Just a guess, since you seem to be incapable of posting without mentioning left this or right that. Although I haven't listened to Rush or any radio for a while, I hear his voice when I read your posts.

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Still waiting on your plan.

We're fucked. I see no other option than to see it all the way through. Anything less would be wrong and two wrongs don't make a right. I think we will and should be there for years to come.

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hey, how come Republicans never come up with stuff like this?

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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I hear his voice when I read your posts.

Uh, oh. The lefties use this to insinuate Bush is insane. Better seek help.

[Amazon 7]

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hey, how come Republicans never come up with stuff like this?

I was always sure it was a lack of humour. and the inability to really party because it would me morally wrong.

[SlyFox 0]

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>Finally, here is the democratic party position on Iraq:

Why would they have one? The republicans have dozens! The war is over WMD's/freeing the people of Iraq/stopping another 9-11/freedom/peace. We will be welcomed with open arms/mission accimplished!/the war will be over soon/we're turning the corner/it's going to be a long, hard road. The war could last six days or weeks, not six months/it could last ten years. The war is to disarm Saddam/to stop terrorism/to reduce terrorism/to 'suck' all the terrorists into Iraq/to create a stable government/to create a government. Saddam was a horrible person because he killed hundreds of thousands/ten thousand/thousands. He's horrible because he used the chemical weapon white phosphorous, so we should invade. Oh, what, we use that? Then it's not a chemical weapon. He's horrible because he tortured people; we don't torture people. But we won't sign the no-torture bill. And we reserve the right to torture people to protect america. But we never have. Well, except for a few dozen here and there. And so we tortured a few people to death. But we don't torture.

The republican party - if you don't like their position, they'll mix you up a new one in no time flat! Just let em know how you like your waffles.

My son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne) tells me that not one Iraqi has thrown flowers at him . So much for Republican promises!

I have been in Iraq for a year and a half and I have heard the Iraqi’s say “thank you” for what we are doing here. Not many flowers over here to be throwing around anyhow.

*****Why would anyone jump from a perfectly good airplane? Because it isn't much fun if it's broke.****

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Finally, here is the democratic party position on Iraq:

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Um, yeah, that was it: they don't have any position on Iraq!

Perhaps when you can quote the President's position about what constitutes "victory" in Iraq this thread will mean something.

President Bush has time and again said the troops will leave when victory is achieved, but to date hasn't been able to articulate what precisely that means.

How does one achieve victory, when there is no specific enemy that would ever surrender? It's not like this war will end like the wars in Europe or the Pacific did. There will never be a treaty and there will, for the forseeable future, continue to be at least a few insurgence willing to continue to blow things up.

What is "victory" in Iraq?

quade -
The World's Most Boring Skydiver

[rushmc 23]

Thank You for your service!


I know you all seem to say "we are just doing our jobs". OK, but what a noble job!

Thank You again.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Finally, here is the democratic party position on Iraq:

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Um, yeah, that was it: they don't have any position on Iraq!

Perhaps when you can quote the President's position about what constitutes "victory" in Iraq this thread will mean something.

President Bush has time and again said the troops will leave when victory is achieved, but to date hasn't been able to articulate what precisely that means.

How does one achieve victory, when there is no specific enemy that would ever surrender? It's not like this war will end like the wars in Europe or the Pacific did. There will never be a treaty and there will, for the forseeable future, continue to be at least a few insurgence willing to continue to blow things up.

What is "victory" in Iraq?

Victory against this enemy comes in small, nearly unnoticable peices. When things like 70% of a population vote in an election where they choose the victor. When a person from that country risks his/her life to come tell the American forces where a very large stash of munitions is. (as just happened) When that countries military starts to step up and take control of thier own country so our men and woman can start coming home. When informants feel enough trust in the forces there to find away to get information about an insurgent location. When areas of that country are stable enough to see a growing economy. When 3000 schools have been built or rebuilt. When our wounded tell us during recouperation that they want to get healed up and get back to thier units because they want to finish what they see as a great mission. When a population works for the first time to try and find a way that is inclusive to all in that country. When the days comes that our generals are no longer running the show and that countries leaders offers us a place in the country for a base.

I could go on......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[juanesky 0]

Well, since you are so adamant of bringing your service into account, I see it on the same level as GWB. They were both honorable.

He had to go to boot camp, and get trained. Serving is that, you are asked to do certain tasks and you do them. You are proud of your service, and so is GWB, who got a honorable discharge, and allowed to his military record to be opened to the anyone. You of all people would understand that the military is a joint effort, with some in combat, and others on the background helping each other out.

On the other hand, your beloved Clinton, well, you see it as a matter of getting "some", while ignore the big issue at the time, that is lying under oath to get off from the sexual harrassment case, which he actually settled outside of court. I guess we both have agreed differently on what "honorable" means.

I don't hate people because they get BJ's, as a matter of fact I like BJ's myself, but I get the feeling you won't understand that, since you don't think that a BJ is sexual in nature. I guess that a woman that offers them for pay is not considered a prostitute...according to your beliefs.

About my service, you shouldn't worry, I stand up for what I believe in.

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[kallend 2,148]

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And if Bush the Elder's ambassador to Iraq had responded differently to Saddam's query about conflicts between the Arab states, he probably would not have invaded Kuwait.

We're still in Iraq.

It's all April's fault then. Couldn't possibly be W's.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[SkyDekker 1,465]

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Here we go. More of the same from the left.

'Bush took us to war under false pretenses!'

'Bush lied!'

'Bush is an idiot who spilled innocent blood!'

'Bush was wrong!'

Still harping on Bush's taking us to war based upon intelligence that was not 100% accurate while simultaneously failing to grasp the fact that intelligence is NEVER 100% accurate.

When will the leftists get it through their heads that

1) intelligence is never 100% accurate
2) we are in Iraq now, like it or not
?

yeah, maybe you heard the swishing sound?

So, you conveniently didn't answer my questions to you....

Don't you find it a little bit scary that a part of the decision was based on the voice your fearless leader heard in his head?

[masterblaster72 0]

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Well, since you are so adamant of bringing your service into account, I see it on the same level as GWB. They were both honorable.

I can bet you anything that Ms. Amazon didn't go AWOL and get some strings pulled to get her books cooked.

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You are proud of your service, and so is GWB, who got a honorable discharge, and allowed to his military record to be opened to the anyone.

And you have the balls to tell me in a previous thread that I don't make sense. Well, you are the authority on that, aren't you.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[juanesky 0]

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I can bet you anything that Ms. Amazon didn't go AWOL and get some strings pulled to get her books cooked.

[swooshing sound]I think you need to stay away from CBS, and Dan rather bud.[/swooshing sound]

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And you have the balls to tell me in a previous thread that I don't make sense. Well, you are the authority on that, aren't you.

The opposite, that is what is exactly what is lacking on the liberal agenda, balls.

Why don't you go off some where and vote for Hillary, I bet you are already getting those shirts by now. Hillary 2008!!!

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon

[masterblaster72 0]

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[swooshing sound]I think you need to stay away from CBS, and Dan rather bud.[/swooshing sound]

Wrong. I don't watch network news. Maybe you need to read more. Rather's jack-ass f.ckup aside (and he got what he deserved for it), Bush's absence was NEVER accounted for.

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Why don't you go off some where and vote for Hillary, I bet you are already getting those shirts by now. Hillary 2008!!!

I love these cookie-cutter assumptions Bush lackeys make about people who don't agree with this administration. If it comes down to Hillary vs. McCain, I won't vote for Hillary.

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The opposite, that is what is exactly what is lacking on the liberal agenda, balls.

You are indeed the authority on making sense. Give us some more of your sense, please. This is getting fun.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[juanesky 0]

In other words, if is not MCCain then it is Hillary?

No problems master debater....

"According to some of the conservatives here, it sounds like it's fine to beat your wide - as long as she had it coming." -Billvon