The Democratic Position on Iraq

[Frenchy68 0]

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breath billvon, breath.....ok, deep breath, come on, breath slow.........



....trying hard not to be "stuck on stupid"....

DO you guys on the far right EVER see a war you didnt like?

Better still the rest of the American public would love it if you would just invite yourselves to your own wars in just a few more numbers to make your participation relevant..

I don't like any wars! Unfortunatley if you believe that we can win peace through treating others nice and being good you are living in a cave.
Peace is only kept through force. Why, because there are those that would kill us or worse if they had the chance.

We were attacked! and don't give me the bullshit that Iraq is not involved with al qeada. If there were left to do what they wanted iti is not a question of if, but when another, maybe large attack would come.

I have lost a family friend over there. I will PM you his name and home town if you like. He grew up with my boys so don't give me the crap that I don't understand the loss His mother and family miss him dearly but they could not be prouder.

If you think that shit is going very bad over there then why can't the anti war media get interview with many many soldiers that would say the same? The reason is because even those that have been badly hurt want to go back and finish a noble mission.

So, do I like war? Fuck no but we are not the ones making it necessary.

Open your mind, look at history, you might learn something

...breath rushmc, breath.....ok, deep breath, come on, breath slow........

"For once you have tasted Absinthe you will walk the earth with your eyes turned towards the gutter, for there you have been and there you will long to return."

[Channman 2]

>My son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne) tells me that not one Iraqi has thrown flowers at him . So much for Republican promises!

Lucky for him they are not throwing bombs and bullets. He is with a great group of guys, im sure they will watch out for one another, but if he must defend himself, two shot to the chest.

Cheers to him and his mates. Hope they all come home.

[Amazon 7]

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At least I know I am proud enough to call them "my" countryman......

Because of "them" you can continue to live your life the way you choose

I thought English was your first language, was I wrong?

I am an American, and I was one of "them".. how about you??? I gave "them" 8 years of my life. I had an impact there and helped some of them make it back whole.

I had a WHOLE lot of "them" in my generation that did not come home alive... and many more that did not come home whole.. physically OR mentally in far too many cases. I lost someone VERY close to me in that war. Life has been very different because of that. So Please, do not preach to me about what it means to actually serve my country.

[rushmc 23]

alright.....I had that comin!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

havin fun aint you

Your point?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

oh, and you know what I am talking about.

So your lack of ability to talk about the issues here, instead of hating GWB, confuses me even more

and by the way

Did I tweak a linguistic nerve?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rehmwa 2]

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>The republican party - if you don't like their position, they'll mix you up a new one in no time flat! Just let em know how you like your waffles.

That's always you guys' response. "Well, it ok for the dems because the reps do it first"

Is it right or is it wrong? Who cares who did it first? This post is about the Dems and you do the typical distract to the other party tactic....

It's ok, Clinton did it before the reps did it before the dems did it.

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Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants

[Amazon 7]

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So your lack of ability to talk about the issues here, instead of hating GWB, confuses me even more

I am talking about the issues.... and Per your right wing talking points... that whole hate thing..that is a dog that just dont hunt...

I and many others who are moderates do not like where our country is being hijacked to. Contrary to what you believe I base my opinion of George Bush on what I actually observe.
I see him very clearly as being religiously dishonest, politically dishonest, and personally dishonest.

Do I hate him for that, no... I will let the LORD judge him when the time comes. Wanna lay any odds on how that is going to go???

[rushmc 23]

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So your lack of ability to talk about the issues here, instead of hating GWB, confuses me even more

I am talking about the issues.... and Per your right wing talking points... that whole hate thing..that is a dog that just dont hunt...

I and many others who are moderates do not like where our country is being hijacked to. Contrary to what you believe I base my opinion of George Bush on what I actually observe.
I see him very clearly as being religiously dishonest, politically dishonest, and personally dishonest.

Do I hate him for that, no... I will let the LORD judge him when the time comes. Wanna lay any odds on how that is going to go???

This is not a hate post?? For Gods sakes....hijacking the country?? BBBbbbbwwwwhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaa

Your observations, at least to me, are not honest.

You know where he is going or are you just wishing.

It is nice to know that your "Moderate" views are in the minority here. (and you cannot admite your political views....moderate my ass)

Talking points?? BBBbbbwwwhhhhhaaaaaaa good one.

It is a good this the Lord will jugde him when it is time because it is obvious you already have.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[Amazon 7]

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It is nice to know that your "Moderate" views are in the minority here. (and you cannot admite your political views....moderate my ass)

Yeah you know.. moderate like as in John McCain.. who by the way I am looking forward to voting for when I move to AZ....

But it does point out JUST how far the right you guys reallyare..

Most people in this country consider him a conservative moderate, well except for your heros in the administration ( you know.... the cowards who avoided the draft). They vilified him and others who really have served their country in a shameful manner and I see some of you here even labling him as a lefty.. for fucks sake.... you need a BIT of reality of what moderation is.

Face it.. you guys call anything that does not agree with your dogma as hate speech. Its part of the whole NEWSPEAK.. very Orwellian. ( look it up...)

[kelpdiver 2]

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Yeah you know.. moderate like as in John McCain.. who by the way I am looking forward to voting for when I move to AZ....

may not need to move - he is their most electable candidate for 2008. After him, it gets ugly real quick.

[TheAnvil 0]

Do they have any position other than OPPOSE BUSH? Do they have a plan? Howard Dean says they don't...

LMFAO.

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[Amazon 7]

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may not need to move - he is their most electable candidate for 2008.

Yeah and they will probably denigrate him yet again.. sad.. very sad and disgusting.

BUT I am moving anyway.. I want to actually jump a bit more of the year.. without getting ground rush ( before even leaving the airplane) off the strut of a cessna all winter long.

[JohnnyD 0]

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Do they have any position other than OPPOSE BUSH? Do they have a plan? Howard Dean says they don't...

LMFAO.

Glad you can find humor in a situation that has been fucked up so badly that the Democratic Party as a whole can't even take a position on it.
I have some friends over there -again- who don't think it's so damned funny.

[rushmc 23]

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It is nice to know that your "Moderate" views are in the minority here. (and you cannot admite your political views....moderate my ass)

Yeah you know.. moderate like as in John McCain.. who by the way I am looking forward to voting for when I move to AZ....

But it does point out JUST how far the right you guys reallyare..

Most people in this country consider him a conservative moderate, well except for your heros in the administration ( you know.... the cowards who avoided the draft). They vilified him and others who really have served their country in a shameful manner and I see some of you here even labling him as a lefty.. for fucks sake.... you need a BIT of reality of what moderation is.

You say he is vilified not me. The libs get mad and hang lables when someone dares to disagree with them.

I am now farther right than I was 30 years ago, and neither are most of the other outspoken conservatives but, since the (your) perspective has moved so far to the left conservatives seem more tot he right to you

Face it.. you guys call anything that does not agree with your dogma as hate speech. Its part of the whole NEWSPEAK.. very Orwellian. ( look it up...)

No, you say we call it hate speech (unless you are in full tilt calling GWB a lier, a dictator, "Lord" and what ever names you want to hang on him) You want others to believe we say it is hate speech when it is those of your beliefs trying to hang another label on the right.

Repulicans try to decrease the rate of spending increases and the left says the right is cutting programs and want to starve children and run old people out of thier housed Yet you accuse the right of fear fear fear

Clinton uses powers upheld by the courts but it is Bush that should be impeached (as if some how he is the first to do this)

GWB speaks of WMDs the same and in some cases less fear invoking, that Clinton, Kerry, Kennedy, Harry and a list of others as far back as 1998 and it is Bush that lied And I am not saying because Clinton said it, it is OK. I am saying you are not being honest?

Bush is spying on US people and that is bad. As if he is the first to ever do it. Well, we now know that is not even close to being the truth or being honest. Hell, Clinton has the door of an american kicked in and arrested using the same powers and that does not matter to you as Bush is the evil one. Clinton must of had a good reason (especially if it was a republican) and guess what, I think Clinton was correct The guy was a spy and needed to go down so at least I am consistant. It is a power the presidents have and they should ues it to protect the country.


Bush cuts taxes and the economy booms yet the left says he is just helping his rich buddies (and by the way, every time taxes have been cut, including the Kennedy years. monies into the federal coffers has INCREASED!!!!.

Yet, you say the right is blind???

Every 'scandal" the left has tried to hang on Bush has made the media look stupid, but Bush is the idiot

I confident the facts woun't change anything but at least I feel better.


So, now you can trash my spelling and sentences if you have to, but what is just posted is right on. But, I know that will not make any differenece

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

By the way, please do vote for McCain. he is far better than
Pelosi, Kennedy, Murtha, Reid, Schumer, and the list goes on

I would vote for Liberman in the right circumstance, hell, he is better and Harkin

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TheAnvil 0]

I have family and friends over there as well. In what way do you think things have been 'fucked up'? Please - enlighten us. How 'bout those elections?

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[JohnnyD 0]

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In what way do you think things have been 'fucked up'? Please - enlighten us. How 'bout those elections?

You can't be serious.

[rushmc 23]

You had to expect that responce didn't you??

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[TheAnvil 0]

Oh I'm quite serious. My brother has been there on more than one occasion, one of my best friends is there now, another friend is flying to Afghanistan shortly, and still others will be in Iraq in short order.

Now what, exactly, is so fucked up the democrats can't take a position on it? Well - they can't take a position on anything else other than oppose Bush, so why should Iraq be any different?

But what, praytell, are you talking about specifically? Surely you're not going to pull a 'Kerry would have guarded the ammo dumps' bullshit line on us, are you?

Vinny the Anvil
Post Traumatic Didn't Make The Lakers Syndrome is REAL
JACKASS POWER!!!!!!

[kallend 2,147]

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My son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne) tells me that not one Iraqi has thrown flowers at him . So much for Republican promises!

Your son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne), wants or expects flowers thrown at him? Well then... I guess the Army HAS changed a lot since I got out.

He wasn't the one expecting it. You have a conveniently short memory when it comes to the statements made by Republicans before and in the first days of George's Iraq Adventure.

"We will be greeted as liberators. The Iraqis will throw flowers at our troops." V.P Cheney, March 2003.

"it could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." Rumsfeld, March 2003

33 months later it seems to me they throw more bombs than flowers.

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The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one.

[JohnnyD 0]

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Oh I'm quite serious. My brother has been there on more than one occasion, one of my best friends is there now, another friend is flying to Afghanistan shortly, and still others will be in Iraq in short order.

Now what, exactly, is so fucked up the democrats can't take a position on it? Well - they can't take a position on anything else other than oppose Bush, so why should Iraq be any different?

But what, praytell, are you talking about specifically? Surely you're not going to pull a 'Kerry would have guarded the ammo dumps' bullshit line on us, are you?

Start with the first thing on the list: the reason for going to war. Oops, my bad.
It is saddening to me that seemingly intelligent people do not have the ability to think for themselves or the backbone to say we fucked up and we fucked up big time.
If all you can do is blindly support the administration, parrot Rush, and desperately cling to ANYTHING positive in this thoroughly screwed up mess, you are destined to repeat the errors that have relegated us to being the country people are afraid of instead of the country that people want to follow and emulate.

[skydyvr 0]

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I and many others who are moderates . . .

BWAAAAHAHAHAHA . . . . . . that's some funny shit. You're killing me here

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[rushmc 23]

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My son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne) tells me that not one Iraqi has thrown flowers at him . So much for Republican promises!

Your son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne), wants or expects flowers thrown at him? Well then... I guess the Army HAS changed a lot since I got out.

He wasn't the one expecting it. You have a conveniently short memory when it comes to the statements made by Republicans before and in the first days of George's Iraq Adventure.

"We will be greeted as liberators. The Iraqis will throw flowers at our troops." V.P Cheney, March 2003.

"it could last, you know, six days, six weeks. I doubt six months." Rumsfeld, March 2003

33 months later it seems to me they throw more bombs than flowers.

You really believe this don't you??

We have been greeted as liberators. Polls show that they want us to leave, but not yet!

I talk to those I know coming back and they are treated very very well by those that live there.

The ones trying to kill them (most of the time) are coming in from other countries, just like they did when SH was in power.

You need to get away from the major media sights and try to start thinking for your self......

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[JohnnyD 0]

> ....trying hard not to be "stuck on stupid"....

How that going for you?