JohnRich 4 #1 December 21, 2005 Finally, here is the democratic party position on Iraq: . . . . . . . . . . . . Um, yeah, that was it: they don't have any position on Iraq! News: House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) said yesterday that Democrats should not seek a unified position on an exit strategy in Iraq, calling the war a matter of individual conscience and saying differing positions within the caucus are a source of strength for the party. Pelosi said Democrats will produce an issue agenda for the 2006 elections but it will not include a position on Iraq. There is consensus within the party that President Bush has mismanaged the war and that a new course is needed, but House Democrats should be free to take individual positions, she said. "There is no one Democratic voice . . . and there is no one Democratic position," Pelosi said in an interview with Washington Post reporters and editors. Rep. Rahm Emanuel (Ill.), chairman of the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, said on the day Murtha offered his plan, "As for Iraq policy, at the right time, we'll have a position."Source Well, it's nice to know that they have a solid grasp of what they want to do about Iraq! They don't like what President Bush is doing, but they don't have any idea of what to do differently themselves! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #2 December 21, 2005 QuoteFinally, here is the democratic party position on Iraq: . . . . . . . . . . . How could they. Your sense of humor is a little bit outside the usual dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #3 December 21, 2005 >Finally, here is the democratic party position on Iraq: Why would they have one? The republicans have dozens! The war is over WMD's/freeing the people of Iraq/stopping another 9-11/freedom/peace. We will be welcomed with open arms/mission accimplished!/the war will be over soon/we're turning the corner/it's going to be a long, hard road. The war could last six days or weeks, not six months/it could last ten years. The war is to disarm Saddam/to stop terrorism/to reduce terrorism/to 'suck' all the terrorists into Iraq/to create a stable government/to create a government. Saddam was a horrible person because he killed hundreds of thousands/ten thousand/thousands. He's horrible because he used the chemical weapon white phosphorous, so we should invade. Oh, what, we use that? Then it's not a chemical weapon. He's horrible because he tortured people; we don't torture people. But we won't sign the no-torture bill. And we reserve the right to torture people to protect america. But we never have. Well, except for a few dozen here and there. And so we tortured a few people to death. But we don't torture. The republican party - if you don't like their position, they'll mix you up a new one in no time flat! Just let em know how you like your waffles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #4 December 21, 2005 Quote Well, it's nice to know that they have a solid grasp of what they want to do about Iraq! They don't like what President Bush is doing, but they don't have any idea of what to do differently themselves! No, what you have makes perfect sense for the non White House party in the midterm election. The DNC sees the most gains if individual challengers can choose their own position on the Iraq question, as determined by their constituency. Basic election year politics. Good to see Pelosi thinking beyond her SF mentality. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,148 #5 December 21, 2005 Quote>Finally, here is the democratic party position on Iraq: Why would they have one? The republicans have dozens! The war is over WMD's/freeing the people of Iraq/stopping another 9-11/freedom/peace. We will be welcomed with open arms/mission accimplished!/the war will be over soon/we're turning the corner/it's going to be a long, hard road. The war could last six days or weeks, not six months/it could last ten years. The war is to disarm Saddam/to stop terrorism/to reduce terrorism/to 'suck' all the terrorists into Iraq/to create a stable government/to create a government. Saddam was a horrible person because he killed hundreds of thousands/ten thousand/thousands. He's horrible because he used the chemical weapon white phosphorous, so we should invade. Oh, what, we use that? Then it's not a chemical weapon. He's horrible because he tortured people; we don't torture people. But we won't sign the no-torture bill. And we reserve the right to torture people to protect america. But we never have. Well, except for a few dozen here and there. And so we tortured a few people to death. But we don't torture. The republican party - if you don't like their position, they'll mix you up a new one in no time flat! Just let em know how you like your waffles. My son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne) tells me that not one Iraqi has thrown flowers at him . So much for Republican promises!... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #6 December 21, 2005 Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #7 December 22, 2005 ...breath billvon, breath.....ok, deep breath, come on, breath slow........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #8 December 22, 2005 >ok, deep breath, come on, breath slow...... One well-done waffle, coming up! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #9 December 22, 2005 Quotebreath billvon, breath.....ok, deep breath, come on, breath slow......... ....trying hard not to be "stuck on stupid".... DO you guys on the far right EVER see a war you didnt like? Better still the rest of the American public would love it if you would just invite yourselves to your own wars in just a few more numbers to make your participation relevant.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kelpdiver 2 #10 December 22, 2005 Quote DO you guys on the far right EVER see a war you didnt like? They weren't happy when Clinton bombed Iraq in the late 90s, calling it a shallow ploy to deflect attention from his Administration. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #11 December 22, 2005 Was that a war??? ITs so hard to tell you know since no one has bothered to declare one in so long.. well except for Osama delaring war on us. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rookie120 0 #12 December 22, 2005 QuoteDO you guys on the far right EVER see a war you didnt like? That little thing in Kosovo in 99 was bullshit in my opinion. The rule was no ground troops. Good one there. Somalia was another that sucked. Lets go to a shit bag country but not give the men on the ground the equipment they request to be successful in the mission.If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #13 December 22, 2005 Quote Somalia was another that sucked. Lets go to a shit bag country but not give the men on the ground the equipment they request to be successful in the mission THat seems to happen a lot. Every war this country has sent our people to since WWII that has been the norm. In the current war in Iraq, the military asked for far more than they were given... and since the administration did not agree with that assesment ( the whole welcomed as heros with flowers in the streets thing)... they retired the generals who made the mistake of asking... The first Gulf war Shrubs dad gave the military what they needed... good on him... but he served and understood. Most of the current crop in the administration did not serve.. Clinton did not serve... you get my meaning here. We are at war.. we need people who understand and will actually take the advice of the professional people who we train for years and years to make the decisions. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 December 22, 2005 QuoteQuotebreath billvon, breath.....ok, deep breath, come on, breath slow......... ....trying hard not to be "stuck on stupid".... DO you guys on the far right EVER see a war you didnt like? Better still the rest of the American public would love it if you would just invite yourselves to your own wars in just a few more numbers to make your participation relevant.. I don't like any wars! Unfortunatley if you believe that we can win peace through treating others nice and being good you are living in a cave. Peace is only kept through force. Why, because there are those that would kill us or worse if they had the chance. We were attacked! and don't give me the bullshit that Iraq is not involved with al qeada. If there were left to do what they wanted iti is not a question of if, but when another, maybe large attack would come. I have lost a family friend over there. I will PM you his name and home town if you like. He grew up with my boys so don't give me the crap that I don't understand the loss His mother and family miss him dearly but they could not be prouder. If you think that shit is going very bad over there then why can't the anti war media get interview with many many soldiers that would say the same? The reason is because even those that have been badly hurt want to go back and finish a noble mission. So, do I like war? Fuck no but we are not the ones making it necessary. Open your mind, look at history, you might learn something"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #15 December 22, 2005 QuoteOpen your mind, look at history, you might learn something We are making history. We went after the people who actually attacked us in Afghanistan( you remember that.. those pesky Taliban and Al Queda) At that time we had the support of the entire world. Then Lord George in his infinitesimal lack of wisdom decided they were going to come up with an excuse to follow the plans as laid out by his neo con buddies in the New American Centruy document. Iraq was a huge tactical sucess( misison accomplishd.. well sort of.. oops.. how many dead since it was accomplished) but stategic blunder that once there we now need to keep sacrificing our young and not so young( since they are calling up every reservist and national guard unit in sight) men and women and sending them off for long periods of time to serve there, in some cases over and over for some of them. They are subject to extended tours and what do they call it. oh yeah.. stop loss. I got a PM from one of the distinguished Ultra Righties here yesterday. I asked him if he was so much in support of our presidents policies why he did not go serve his country. Quote I am one of the smarter ones that didn't need to put his life on the line for a tiny salary. That is not to say I don't respect military folk. 80% agree with me, not you. For the occasion freak lefty that is in there like yourself, what can I say, not everybody has common sense. Gee with that attitude of serving your country I dont have too much respect for so many ULTRA RIGHTIES. If you support the war.. how about supporting it with your service to your country. What better respect for your fellow Americans than to actually serve your country. Oh and notice the lefty thing.. its old and tired... it seems to be reserved for ANYONE who is not in lockstep with our Administration.. you know.. the ones who were ALSO too busy to serve anything but themselves either. And this from guys who were salivating over it being towelhead or raghead season ( their words not mine) when this all started. I guess they will miss their quota during this season huh. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #16 December 22, 2005 As soon as I read "Lord Geoge" I stopper reading Have a nice day........."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #17 December 22, 2005 That figures. Have a nice life while some of your countrymen are coming back in silver coffins Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #18 December 22, 2005 QuoteOh and notice the lefty thing.. its old and tired... So is "ultra righty" and "neo con" for anyone to the right of Barbara Boxer and her ilk....you can't have it both ways.Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Amazon 7 #19 December 22, 2005 It does get guys like you to at least take notice though doent it. BUt its far more accurate since the policies of this current government are the farthest to the right of any we have ever had. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #20 December 22, 2005 QuoteWe were attacked! and don't give me the bullshit that Iraq is not involved with al qeada. If there were left to do what they wanted iti is not a question of if, but when another, maybe large attack would come. never mind....no use Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 December 22, 2005 At least I know I am proud enough to call them "my" countryman...... Because of "them" you can continue to live your life the way you choose."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #22 December 22, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe were attacked! and don't give me the bullshit that Iraq is not involved with al qeada. If there were left to do what they wanted iti is not a question of if, but when another, maybe large attack would come. never mind....no use ...my thoughts exactly......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #23 December 22, 2005 it is funny how you singlehandedly further the stereotype of an american though..... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #24 December 22, 2005 Quoteit is funny how you singlehandedly further the stereotype of an american though..... . and placing a label is does not? although, I would be proud to carry that lable ..............coming from you!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #25 December 22, 2005 QuoteMy son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne) tells me that not one Iraqi has thrown flowers at him . So much for Republican promises! Your son, who's in Iraq (82nd Airborne), wants or expects flowers thrown at him? Well then... I guess the Army HAS changed a lot since I got out. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
