Militant Homosexual Agenda

[AlexCrowley 0]

I wish I could find fault with that logic.

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[artistcalledian 0]

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>its personal attacks and arguments that makes forums interesting . . .

If that's the case, you may enjoy rec.skydiving more than dropzone.com. Rec.skydiving is unmoderated, and there are no limits on what you can post.

>otherwise you have a load of boring intellectuals having boring discussions . . .

Are you actually talking about Speaker's Corner there?

ahhh thanks guess it depends how much of the devil you have inside of you

cards on the table... i'm a chartered accountant, i'm certainly not stupid and can hold a conversation with most people. Some of the "arguments" in SC bore me rigid to be honest. You get people going round and round in circles, arguing the toss about the slightest detail of a subject, all trying to out do each other with flowery pros, desparatly wanting to be seen as the most intelligent on here (as they argue the most boring technical detail of a point) i get half way through some posts and just give up... stimulating they are not !

Half the reason i type controversial things is just to put a bat up the night dress of some of the deadly serious posters, makes me laugh anyway... and that's all that matters

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It's a tale without an eeeeeeeeeeeeend
But the end is there for all to see...

...And if the end weren't so real
Coming round and round again on me...

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[AlexCrowley 0]

some of us enjoy thinking about minutia. i dont care if i change peoples minds, I just like to deconstruct things and kick their tires.

But you come across like an accountant with ADD who desperately craves attention and stimulation.

Woah, and you are!

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some of us enjoy thinking about minutia. i dont care if i change peoples minds, I just like to deconstruct things and kick their tires.

But you come across like an accountant with ADD who desperately craves attention and stimulation.

Woah, and you are!

*tries to think how this should be said*

*cough cough*

i see that as a personal attack

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FUCKING CHILDREN IS NOT HETERO OR HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR.

Why? Because you say it's so? Unfortunately, the formal definiton of the terms say nothing about the ages of the participants.

Mark's getting a lot of heat for suggesting that NAMBLA represents a "Militant Homosexual Agenda". However, his logic is sound. The members of that organization are homosexual. It is also true that anti-gay groups will seize on that fact to victimize the overwhelming majority of gays that aren't pedophiles. But that doesn't change the facts.

I think Bill's analogy to Pro-lifers is right on target. And it's perfectly accurate to catagorize groups who conspire to kill abortion doctors as part of a "Militant Pro-life Agenda", in spite of the fact that they're not representative of the majority of pro-lifers.

[AlexCrowley 0]

that was awesome!

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[AlexCrowley 0]

uh no.

Because the mental health community no longer catagorizes homosexuality as a mental illness but DOES recgonize pedophilia as one.

whatever wriggling you guys do to try and justify your attitudes doesnt change the reality.

Thanks for the joke about 'logic' though.

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[narcimund 0]

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I think Bill's analogy to Pro-lifers is right on target. And it's perfectly accurate to catagorize groups who conspire to kill abortion doctors as part of a "Militant Pro-life Agenda", in spite of the fact that they're not representative of the majority of pro-lifers.

oh! This is interesting.

So your distinction is that if there is a militant subgroup, then their agenda is the portion of the whole that's the militant one. This is plausible.

Moving forward, how do you handle the aberrant bankrobbing skydiver? Does he now control the "skydiver agenda"? And further, do skydivers have the responsibility to bring him under control?

What if he's left-handed? Do left-handed people have to shut him down? What if he ate bread? Is the bakery industry now responsible?

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[AlexCrowley 0]

and Im sorry I called you an accountant.

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Because the mental health community no longer catagorizes homosexuality as a mental illness but DOES recgonize pedophilia as one.

By your logic, because the mental health community doesn't catagorize stamp collecting as a mental illness that means that a pedophile can't also be a stamp collector?

[AlexCrowley 0]

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that means that a pedophile can't also be a stamp collector?

If a pedophile starts collecting stamps, that doesn't give him the opportunity to start speaking for the whole stamp collecting community.

Although to be realistic, if a widespread anti-stamp-collecting spasm of bigotry swept through the public, you can be SURE those bigots would highlight that pedophile with great glee.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

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Mark,,


THere was something in several posts here that I think you might have missed. I am cutting and pasting it here so people get the message


FUCKING CHILDREN IS NOT HETERO OR HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR.

Its call pedophilia and enpasses ANY transgression against a child by any adult. Far too many people in this country have first hand knowledge of what this means.

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Yesterday, Rhonda implied that homosexuals make better parents than Breeders. She didn't actually say that, but she implied it.

I didn't call her out on it because her remark was just a hint, or suggestion. She didn't come right out and say it, but I knew what she meant. OTOH I might be off base. She may not have meant that at all. How could I know? I could only guess.

Well, you certainly know how to get my attention, Mark.

That's not what I said, and it's not what I implied. "Some" is not "all." What part of that don't you understand? The fact of the matter is that it doesn't matter whether parents are gay or hetero. What does matter is that they be good parents. It's not that complicated a concept.

As for pedophiles, did you read any of the links I posted? Did you read anything I wrote?

Once more into the breach.

http://www.joekort.com/articles50.htm

To call child molestation of a boy by a man "homosexual” or of a girl by a man "heterosexual" is to misunderstand pedophilia. No true pedophile is attracted to adults, so neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality applies.

If you come back one more time trying to justify what you did, it will be quite obvious that you didn't bother to read the article.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[AlexCrowley 0]

let me use small words here, because there's been a disconnect.......

You said: why is it by what I said.

My point being that pedophilia - having sex with children, is BAD.

NAMBLA, by anyones measure - except for you and mark and a couple of other posters who have been posting here, is considered a P E D O P H I L E organization - thats why members keep getting arrested. It isnt illegal to fuck young men in the ass.

So, whatever your "logic" - pedophilia is not homosexuality even if the PEDOPHILES try to justify it as being such.

The simple fact that there are people on this thread unable to understand the distinction 'that its the pedophile groups that call themselves gay - not the rest of the world' the easier it will be for you to grasp the hostility that mark and yourself have recieved in this conversation.

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[likearock 2]

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I think Bill's analogy to Pro-lifers is right on target. And it's perfectly accurate to catagorize groups who conspire to kill abortion doctors as part of a "Militant Pro-life Agenda", in spite of the fact that they're not representative of the majority of pro-lifers.

oh! This is interesting.

So your distinction is that if there is a militant subgroup, then their agenda is the portion of the whole that's the militant one. This is plausible.

Moving forward, how do you handle the aberrant bankrobbing skydiver? Does he now control the "skydiver agenda"?

This doesn't quite fit the pattern I was describing. In both NAMBLA and abortion doctor killers, the activity can be described as some subset of the larger activity. Killing abortion doctors is an form, albeit an extreme an abhoorent one, of pro-life protest. The same is true about NAMBLA. Totally abhorrent, I grant you, but it is a form of homosexual activity. Robbing banks really has nothing to do with the core activity of skydiving (although some people might be driven to it, gear prices being what they are ).

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And further, do skydivers have the responsibility to bring him under control?

That's a good question. I would say that they should if they have the ability to do so, but shouldn't be obligated to do so. If pro-life leaders could stop the killers they should do so, but it's doubtful that many have that power.

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What if he's left-handed? Do left-handed people have to shut him down? What if he ate bread? Is the bakery industry now responsible?

See my previous remark on skydiving bankrobbers for why I don't consider my position to be reductio ad absurdum.

[AlexCrowley 0]

so -

Is it that you're trolling, you dont like to lose arguments or you really believe this stuff?

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At no point did I say, or even hint, that "all homosexuals are paedophiles". I did say that there are probably some who cannot tell the difference (my "Flyover Country" remark).

On par with Clinton's 'I did not have sex with that woman.'

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that means that a pedophile can't also be a stamp collector?

If a pedophile starts collecting stamps, that doesn't give him the opportunity to start speaking for the whole stamp collecting community.

Who said it does? You're putting words in my mouth.

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that means that a pedophile can't also be a stamp collector?

If a pedophile starts collecting stamps, that doesn't give him the opportunity to start speaking for the whole stamp collecting community.

Who said it does? You're putting words in my mouth.

I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. That was an oblique reference to Mark's position that the pedophiles speak for all homosexuals.

I apologize for the lack of clarity.

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that means that a pedophile can't also be a stamp collector?

If a pedophile starts collecting stamps, that doesn't give him the opportunity to start speaking for the whole stamp collecting community.

Who said it does? You're putting words in my mouth.

I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. That was an oblique reference to Mark's position that the pedophiles speak for all homosexuals.

Now you're putting words in mine.

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that means that a pedophile can't also be a stamp collector?

If a pedophile starts collecting stamps, that doesn't give him the opportunity to start speaking for the whole stamp collecting community.

Who said it does? You're putting words in my mouth.

I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. That was an oblique reference to Mark's position that the pedophiles speak for all homosexuals.

I apologize for the lack of clarity.

well, seeing as homosexuals have cocks in their mouths... they need somebody to speak for them

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that means that a pedophile can't also be a stamp collector?

If a pedophile starts collecting stamps, that doesn't give him the opportunity to start speaking for the whole stamp collecting community.

Who said it does? You're putting words in my mouth.

I didn't mean to put words in your mouth. That was an oblique reference to Mark's position that the pedophiles speak for all homosexuals.

I apologize for the lack of clarity.

No problem. Let's recognize that part of the problem is the emotionally charged atmosphere of this whole topic. There were some pretty despicable anti-gay posts and I can understand people who don't want to add fuel to the fire. But I don't think the right way to do that is to ignore the truth.

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But I don't think the right way to do that is to ignore the truth.

Its been working well for you so far.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.