AlexCrowley 0 #126 December 20, 2005 sorry, i'd explain but i'm somewhat restricted and can't ensure that others wouldnt misinterpret what I was saying. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #127 December 20, 2005 Quote Your intimation that NAMBLA has something to do with homosexuality was an attack, Mark. Perpetrator - Male Victim - Male <> homosexual? Am I missing something? Do the respective ages of offender and victim somehow make a difference? Does that in turn imply that it's somehow okay?"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #128 December 20, 2005 QuoteQuotethis conversation is pointless. You're telling me. It's a tale without an eeeeeeeeeeeeend But the end is there for all to see... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #129 December 20, 2005 QuoteAt no point did I say, or even hint, that "all homosexuals are paedophiles". Actually, that's EXACTLY what you did. You didn't say the words "all homosexuals are pedophiles" but you DID equate the agenda of a pedophile group with the agenda of homosexuals, which is DEFINITELY a HINT that the groups are synonymous. QuoteYou asked for proof of a "militant homosexual agenda", and I provided one. No, you did not provide ANYTHING about the "militant homosexual agenda". You pointed to a group which does NOT represent homosexuals WHETHER OR NOT any of its members happen to be homosexual. Many people have written really "reasonable, philosophical, and logical" posts demonstrating this. You've chosen to ignore all of them. You'll ignore this one too. I just know it. Quote(Unless the term "Man-Boy Love" is somehow not homosexual in nature, in which case it is my profound misunderstanding of what that term means. If I'm wrong, I apologize) I really wish you could concentrate long enough to understand the fallacy here. I suspect you're smart enough but you just won't CONCENTRATE. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #130 December 20, 2005 so what you're saying is: Man - Male Girl - Female == heterosexual. Thats what I was refering to earlier. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #131 December 20, 2005 QuoteAm I missing something? You're missing MANY things but I suspect it's intentional. QuoteDo the respective ages of offender and victim somehow make a difference? That's one thing that makes a difference. And ANOTHER thing is that this group is no more REPRESENTATIVE of gay people than a skydiving bank robber is representative of skydivers. QuoteDoes that in turn imply that it's somehow okay? Nobody said nabla was ok. Please, just once, try to be reasonable, philosophical, and logical. Please? First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #132 December 20, 2005 Yesterday, Rhonda implied that homosexuals make better parents than Breeders. She didn't actually say that, but she implied it. I didn't call her out on it because her remark was just a hint, or suggestion. She didn't come right out and say it, but I knew what she meant. OTOH I might be off base. She may not have meant that at all. How could I know? I could only guess. mh"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #133 December 20, 2005 Sigh... I tried. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #134 December 20, 2005 TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #135 December 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteHow strange would it be to hear a MLK speech and hear: Free at last, free at last - oh yeah, black people aren't child molestors. If blacks were wrongly associated by the public with child molestors, then it certainly would be in their best interest to do so. But they are not, so it is not relevant. But black people ARE wrongly associated by the public with crime and drugs. So should all black skydivers change their sig line to "Even though I'm black I don't steal or deal cocaine"? not where i'm from (nottingham) i used to go raving and take recreational drugs, and the only dealers i knew where/are black, so that shits on your strawberries.... also, you have more chance of seeing a black round the world yachtsman that you do a black skydiver ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #136 December 20, 2005 I think you have it backwards there mate. It wasnt 'all drug dealers are black' it was 'all blacks are drug dealers'. So, unless you're far more omnipotent than it appears i doubt you can be quite so definite about every black guy in nottingham being a drug dealer. TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #137 December 20, 2005 QuoteAnd ANOTHER thing is that this group is no more REPRESENTATIVE of gay people than a skydiving bank robber is representative of skydivers. I have a feeling that the victims of such abuses probably won't see it that way, just as, in your analogy, I were in a bank that was held up by skydivers. I would tend towards some bias."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #138 December 20, 2005 QuoteI have a feeling that the victims of such abuses probably won't see it that way The misunderstandings of the victims of rapists do not define which group gets to set the agenda for all homosexuals. I know you won't get this point but maybe some other people reading this will. QuoteI were in a bank that was held up by skydivers. I would tend towards some bias. That says more about you than it does about skydivers. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnnyD 0 #139 December 20, 2005 QuoteThat says more about you than it does about skydivers. Yes it does, and that you can't say it directly without it being a pa speaks volumes about his character. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #140 December 20, 2005 >I have a feeling that the victims of such abuses probably won't see it that way . . . Of course. And the family of Dr. John Britton might be biased against christian pro-lifers. That doesn't mean that pro-life people are all killers, nor does it mean that they should always be claiming "I'm not a doctor killer!" just to prove they're not. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jceman 1 #141 December 20, 2005 QuoteQuoteYour use of colorful language and corresponding lack of logic speak for themselves. I'm pretty sure likearock already posted the definition of projection in one of these threads, so I will merely note that your response is a definitive example thereof. rl Edited to add: It's just a few posts upthread of this one. And might I add that Narci and RL were not the only ones to make the "unintended" inference. Nor were they the only ones offended by your dissemblings. Jack (sadly taking MH off the Christmas card list) Ceman $ to "Kentucky" Ralph Derickson of Univ of Kentucky for the above sig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #142 December 20, 2005 Quote>I have a feeling that the victims of such abuses probably won't see it that way . . . Of course. And the family of Dr. John Britton might be biased against christian pro-lifers. That doesn't mean that pro-life people are all killers, nor does it mean that they should always be claiming "I'm not a doctor killer!" just to prove they're not. Then it comes down to bias. Some have more than others, but the implication is that because they disagree with a particular agenda, they're fair game for labelling (and libeling). edit for spelling"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #143 December 20, 2005 QuoteNo, but there is a perfectly good womens forum. So when should I expect to see a 'mens' forum? Where we can discuss such issues as whether to shave ones testicles or not, and prostrate cancer? we don't want a mens forum it'll be full of filthy poofta's cottaging young boys ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AlexCrowley 0 #144 December 20, 2005 You know, this is why this thread has pissed me off - Someone posts a link to a fucking PEDOPHILE organization in a thread about HOMOSEXUALS. Now, switch it to 'Militant Heterosexual Agenda' and someone links to NAMGLA. would this conversation go the same way with 'well if a skydiver robbed a bank would we be prejudiced?' Lets break this down a little easier for the idiots on this thread. FUCKING CHILDREN IS NOT HETERO OR HOMOSEXUAL BEHAVIOR. Everyone up to speed now? TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #145 December 20, 2005 QuoteThen it comes down to bias. Some have more than others, but the implication is that becuase they disagree with a particular agenda, they're fair game for labelling (and libeling). You poor man. I feel so bad that I just can't reach you. I've asked you to concentrate... I've put it in VERY plain language... I sincerely wonder if you're incapable of seeing what's really a simple point or if you're intentionally missing it just to look fierce. I give up slowly... too slowly. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #146 December 20, 2005 QuoteHey now- check with the mods! That's just the forum rules as I understand them! I'm not sure what the group size limitation is before it becomes a personal attack! A "group" of two might be pushing the envelope a bit..... lets be honest for a minute... who actually gives a flying fuck about personal attacks? i'm an adult and certainly don't cry like a bitch (like some on here) when somebody has a personal go at me... its personal attacks and arguments that makes forums interesting, otherwise you have a load of boring intellectuals having boring discussions how interesting ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #147 December 20, 2005 Well, since many people still feel that women who are raped somehow deserved it for dressing provacatively or "leading the guy on", it may be a while before some people accept this very simple fact. For what its worth, I respect you for trying. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #148 December 20, 2005 QuoteAmazingly there are at least 8 posters in the Bonfire that consider me a genius. you're my hero ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #149 December 20, 2005 >its personal attacks and arguments that makes forums interesting . . . If that's the case, you may enjoy rec.skydiving more than dropzone.com. Rec.skydiving is unmoderated, and there are no limits on what you can post. >otherwise you have a load of boring intellectuals having boring discussions . . . Are you actually talking about Speaker's Corner there? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #150 December 20, 2005 Quote>its personal attacks and arguments that makes forums interesting . . . If that's the case, you may enjoy rec.skydiving more than dropzone.com. Rec.skydiving is unmoderated, and there are no limits on what you can post. >otherwise you have a load of boring intellectuals having boring discussions . . . Are you actually talking about Speaker's Corner there? heh "The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
