Militant Homosexual Agenda

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actually for me its usually the more humorous.

If you read back to that long thread where I explained how there's a large deficit between our perceptions of reality and the differences in our personal philosophys you'd see why one would feel the need to gradually lower their intellectual content to the point where I felt you could grasp my meaning.

Seems that we've found a level at which we can understand each other.

How very clever.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[AlexCrowley 0]

Amazingly there are at least 8 posters in the Bonfire that consider me a genius.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[narcimund 0]

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Amazingly there are at least 8 posters in the Bonfire that consider me a genius.

I wasn't ready to go THAT far but your last post bordered on it

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[billvon 3,120]

>Homophobes are drooling fucktards. is ok.
>Markharju and sundevil777 are evil shitheads isnt?

Correct. If there was a prohibition against attacking _groups_, then Skyride, NAMBLA, the French, republicans and Al Qaeda would all be off limits. And there would be essentually nothing to talk about.

>Homophobic skydivers who post on skydiving community sites are
>evil drooling shithead fucktards.

No. Clever constructions to 'get around' the rules doesn't fly.

[RhondaLea 4]

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Your use of colorful language and corresponding lack of logic speak for themselves.

I'm pretty sure likearock already posted the definition of projection in one of these threads, so I will merely note that your response is a definitive example thereof.

rl

Edited to add: It's just a few posts upthread of this one.

Perhaps; however, I'm not the one resorting to foul language and personal attacks, which are the first refuge of one who cannot reason.

You haven't resorted to foul language, although your language is certainly colorful and emotive. Regardless of whether your posts are considered personal attacks in the context of these forums, they are, without a doubt, personal attacks...

Damn. I just realized what I did. Talk about not paying attention. Sheesh, I'm an idiot.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[AlexCrowley 0]

yeah, sometimes I have to backtrack so people can keep up

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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Rhonda, can you please show me where I have made a personal attack?

I thought I made it clear that my personal philosophy is to criticize ideas, not people.

Your vociferous disagreement with my positions and the criticism of my remarks *doesn't* constitute a personal attack - you haven't attacked me, just made an effort to refute my arguments in a reasoned fashion, which is all one can expect on SC.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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yeah, sometimes I have to backtrack so people can keep up

Sometimes I have to backtrack so I can see the group that's trying to build off me.

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I can reason. And here are my thoughts:

Homophobia is an irrational fear that is not worth anyone's time.

If you believe in God (particularly Christianity in my point here), it does not affect whether YOU are getting into Heaven or not if Larry over there is having sex with Steve. However, I can see how people like to read the Bible and then take it upon themselves to hate what it is God's job to hate through irrational misinterpretation and fear.

And if you don't believe in Christianity or another religion which does not tolerate homosexuals, there is even LESS of a reason. Without the (false) rationalizing of religious text as enforcment of hate, all one is left with is one's own fear.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[AlexCrowley 0]

Bill, here's where I lose track of this particular angle:

It isnt a clever construction. I have no experience with other homophobes, it would be incorrect of me to make a grand sweeping and ovelry negative statement about them. I can speak for homophobic skydivers posting here. Therefor I can make a generalization about them. Kinda like Muslims are evil hateful violent sand niggers is acceptable.

I've seen threads with some really hateful stuff said about ALL muslims to muslims who post on the board.

I've seen some stuff in this thread about ALL gays in direct response to gay or neutral posters/posts about gays.

Hell Bill, after you banned me for calling someone making extremely racist remarks a racist a while back I saw you make a post later in the thread that had you doing every language backflip available to call the poster a racist without ever saying 'racist'.

Criticizing a group is one thing, making extremely negative and inaccurate statements about them simply to attack posters (and please, the NAMBLA link is bullshit and you dont need anyone else to point that out to you) seems like a pretty huge loophole that is often used by posters here.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[RhondaLea 4]

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Rhonda, can you please show me where I have made a personal attack?

By whose definition?

I totally disagree with what is considered a personal attack here, and how personal attacks may and may not be used.

Your intimation that NAMBLA has something to do with homosexuality was an attack, Mark. I'm not going to analyze it for you, I'm not going to engage, but that one post was enough to change my opinion of you, irrevocably, forever.

You can call someone a poopy-head, and I might think you're an idiot, but I'll still talk to you. This sort of tactic, no matter how it is used, puts you on my personal list of people to avoid at all costs.

There is no argument so important to win that using such tactics is acceptable. And I have no use for people who use such tactics.

I really have no interest in anything else you have to say. I didn't mean to reply to your post in the first place; I just wasn't paying attention, and then when you responded, I realized what I had done. I'm just a little tired today, that's all.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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I can reason. And here are my thoughts:

Homophobia is an irrational fear that is not worth anyone's time.

If you believe in God (particularly Christianity in my point here), it does not affect whether YOU are getting into Heaven or not if Larry over there is having sex with Steve. However, I can see how people like to read the Bible and then take it upon themselves to hate what it is God's job to hate through irrational misinterpretation and fear.

And if you don't believe in Christianity or another religion which does not tolerate homosexuals, there is even LESS of a reason. Without the (false) rationalizing of religious text as enforcment of hate, all one is left with is one's own fear.

Sir,

Your reasoning is faulty. At what point in this thread did *I* mention the Bible, or religion?

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[Guest]

The majority of what are perceived as personal attacks are more properly termed "ad hominem" attacks, meaning that one cannot refute my remarks with reason, philosophy or logic, and therefore resorts to insults.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[AlexCrowley 0]

You're displaying behavior which borders on what psychologists refer to as 'borderline personality disorder'. If you havent been examined recently by a mental health professional you may want to consider it. [yes, I am qualified to make that remark]

And no, i'm not trying to be clever, funny or insulting. I could go through your posts and quote the examples that have led to me believing this.

I haven't said that you have made a personal attack at any point. I have talked about the difference between a personal attack and attacking a group. Knowing the label and understanding what it is i'm talking about are two different things. But its nice that you got one right.

Dont worry mark, I wont be responding to you again. You may have the last word, but this conversation is pointless.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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this conversation is pointless.

You're telling me.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[narcimund 0]

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The majority of what are perceived as personal attacks are more properly termed "ad hominem" attacks, meaning that one cannot refute my remarks with reason, philosophy or logic, and therefore resorts to insults.

There ARE other explanations.

I've responded to you MANY times with "reason, philosophy, and logic." You've ignored what I've said and gone on as if I hadn't.

I can see why people would try other tactics to see if they got anywhere with you.

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[JohnnyD 0]

My thoughts on this - to cleanse.

I was shocked and really disturbed to read some of the crap in this and a few other similar threads floating around. The level of fear and blind hate that continues to manifest itself in some of us is truly frightening. Admittedly, I was at first angry, then sad. I have returned to a feeling of comforting hopefulness with the realization that, in time, such fear and hate will be overcome just as it has been in the past. Certainly not fast enough for those who are beyond such blatantly ugly emotions, but common decency will eventually prevail.
To the feeble minded cowards out there, I say Happy Holidays and enjoy your perverted seclusion because your kind will eventually fade from good conscience.

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I can reason. And here are my thoughts:

Homophobia is an irrational fear that is not worth anyone's time.

If you believe in God (particularly Christianity in my point here), it does not affect whether YOU are getting into Heaven or not if Larry over there is having sex with Steve. However, I can see how people like to read the Bible and then take it upon themselves to hate what it is God's job to hate through irrational misinterpretation and fear.

And if you don't believe in Christianity or another religion which does not tolerate homosexuals, there is even LESS of a reason. Without the (false) rationalizing of religious text as enforcment of hate, all one is left with is one's own fear.

Sir,

Your reasoning is faulty. At what point in this thread did *I* mention the Bible, or religion?

mh

Well sir, maybe you should read the second portion. Ya know, the part about not believing and God and still being a homophobe.

While the post WAS purposefully in response to you, it was also generalized in my views on why homophobia is worthless. For both the religious and non-religious. I tried to cover the bases but you ignored that.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

[billvon 3,120]

>did you take a few too blows to the head as a child?

Your final warning.

[AlexCrowley 0]

please provide me with a list of acceptable terms to display my extreme surprise at another posters lack of comprehension as I am at a loss.

and your thoughts on insulting demographics, as posted earlier.

Thank you.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[billvon 3,120]

>please provide me with a list of acceptable terms . . .

Nope. If you cannot construct such terms yourself, you will not be allowed to post here. Avoiding personal attacks (and constructing your posts so they do not _contain_ personal attacks) is a requirement for posting here.

[AlexCrowley 0]

ok. I wont make a personal attack.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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The majority of what are perceived as personal attacks are more properly termed "ad hominem" attacks, meaning that one cannot refute my remarks with reason, philosophy or logic, and therefore resorts to insults.

There ARE other explanations.

I've responded to you MANY times with "reason, philosophy, and logic." You've ignored what I've said and gone on as if I hadn't.

I can see why people would try other tactics to see if they got anywhere with you.

Narci,

I admit I threw a grenade into the thread yesterday, but I never said the things that people have mischaracterized me as having said. At no point did I say, or even hint, that "all homosexuals are paedophiles". I did say that there are probably some who cannot tell the difference (my "Flyover Country" remark).

I never meant to attack or insult you. You asked for proof of a "militant homosexual agenda", and I provided one (Unless the term "Man-Boy Love" is somehow not homosexual in nature, in which case it is my profound misunderstanding of what that term means. If I'm wrong, I apologize).

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[AlexCrowley 0]

unfuckingbelievable.

my congratulations.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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unfuckingbelievable.

my congratulations.

???

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."