Militant Homosexual Agenda

[JohnnyD 0]

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How strange would it be to hear a MLK speech and hear: Free at last, free at last - oh yeah, black people aren't child molestors.

If blacks were wrongly associated by the public with child molestors, then it certainly would be in their best interest to do so. But they are not, so it is not relevant.

I'm hoping that someone with applicable knowledge will chime in here and be able to set us straight as to what portion of the population actually believes that homosexuals are predisposed to being child molestors.

[narcimund 0]

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How strange would it be to hear a MLK speech and hear: Free at last, free at last - oh yeah, black people aren't child molestors.

If blacks were wrongly associated by the public with child molestors, then it certainly would be in their best interest to do so. But they are not, so it is not relevant.

But black people ARE wrongly associated by the public with crime and drugs. So should all black skydivers change their sig line to "Even though I'm black I don't steal or deal cocaine"?

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[rasmack 0]

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I think that a sig line declaring yourself to be gay is an example of being "in your face".

Didn't you just ask for the gay populace in general to denounce pedophilia? Are you saying now, that they are not allowed to do so, because it will be "in your face"?

You know, you are sort of cute. And I definitely mean that in the most non-gay way possible.

HF #682, Team Dirty Sanchez #227
“I simply hate, detest, loathe, despise, and abhor redundancy.”
- Not quite Oscar Wilde...

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Enabling and instructing people on how to break the law and be more likely to get away with it is another.

If we can't limit freedom of speech in this way, then we are in trouble.

Would you then consider The Anarchist Cookbook speech that should be limited?

Note, your answer to this question has the potential to break a levee.

The preface to The Anarchist Cookbook, written by the author, says (paraphrased) that "this book is for the people of the United States. The Weathermen and other groups already know what's in here."

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[RhondaLea 4]

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Heterosexuals are already accepted, so a sig line by a guy declaring "I love boobs" will get less criticism. It may not be fare, but it is reality.

Depends on the context. A guy with a sigline that says "I love boobs" somewhere other than this board may not go over any better than a so-called "gay sig line."

In all truth, I'm more offended by the straight guy's sig line than I am by the gay guy's sig line. But that's just me.

I'd like to add that I haven't posted in this thread up to now because it made me a little sick to my stomach. I no longer read or respond to Mark's posts, but I got the gist of it, and it nailed me in a place where I'm surprised to find I'm still sore.

I'm pretty sure that there are few, if any, incest victims and victims of pedophiles who would actually appreciate Mark's point. We're a little more educated on the subject--have to be because we'd go nuts otherwise--and what we know is that incest and pedophilia both arise from the childish need to control, not from adult sexual desire. I know that Mark did not include incest in his attack, but I am including it here, because I understand the relationship between the two is close in a way that adult homosexuality and pedophilia is not. In other words, the former are very closely related, the latter have no relationship at all.

Other than that, the one thing positive outcome of these threads is that they tell me whom I really don't want to associate with, ever in this lifetime, and who I do.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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[sundevil777 102]

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Didn't you just ask for the gay populace in general to denounce pedophilia? Are you saying now, that they are not allowed to do so, because it will be "in your face"?

If someone feels the need to declare their homosexuality with every post, people might assume some things that are unfair to assume. It is not me making the assumption, I'm just asserting that they run that risk of others doing it. I could be completely wrong about that.

I never said that anyone is not allowed to declare their sexuality with every post, I only said that I consider it an example of "in your face". There is a difference.

People are sick and tired of being told that ordinary and decent people are fed up in this country with being sick and tired. I’m certainly not, and I’m sick and tired of being told that I am

[AlexCrowley 0]

I thought perhaps I could provide some contrary information on a gay friendly search engine that I found.


http://1089059683/search?hl=en&lr=&q=low+iq+homophobia&btnG=Search

Whats wrong with a link?

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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I'm pretty sure that there are few, if any, incest victims and victims of pedophiles who would actually appreciate Mark's point. We're a little more educated on the subject--have to be because we'd go nuts otherwise--and what we know is that incest and pedophilia both arise from the childish need to control, not from adult sexual desire. I know that Mark did not include incest in his attack, but I am including it here, because I understand the relationship between the two is close in a way that adult homosexuality and pedophilia is not. In other words, the former are very closely related, the latter have no relationship at all.

From my experience it far more common in the heteosexual community and seems to be part of a LOT of families values.

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I'm pretty sure that there are few, if any, incest victims and victims of pedophiles who would actually appreciate Mark's point.

I guess the rest are just supposed to feel gratitude.

mh

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

[RhondaLea 4]

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How strange would it be to hear a MLK speech and hear: Free at last, free at last - oh yeah, black people aren't child molestors.

If blacks were wrongly associated by the public with child molestors, then it certainly would be in their best interest to do so. But they are not, so it is not relevant.

But black people ARE wrongly associated by the public with crime and drugs. So should all black skydivers change their sig line to "Even though I'm black I don't steal or deal cocaine"?

Should all professional writers change their sig lines to "Even though I'm a journalist, I'm not a lying, plagiarizing, inventor of 'facts'"?

Just wondering.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[narcimund 0]

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Should all professional writers change their sig lines to "Even though I'm a journalist, I'm not a lying, plagiarizing, inventor of 'facts'"?

And all computer professionals should change theirs to:

"Even though I'm a geek I'm not an unsocialized buffoon"

First Class Citizen Twice Over

[RhondaLea 4]

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I'm hoping that someone with applicable knowledge will chime in here and be able to set us straight as to what portion of the population actually believes that homosexuals are predisposed to being child molestors.

I can't tell you what portion of the population believes, but I can give you some factual information on pedophilia and homosexuality:

http://rainbowallianceopenfaith.homestead.com/PedoMyth.html

The above page also links to the entire text of The Gay Manifesto, as well as to another link explaining how it has been misused.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=1556756&dopt=Abstract

The above abstract is just another study showing the non-connection between homosexuality and pedophilia.

The following article cites no statistics, but it is on point:

http://www.joekort.com/articles50.htm

To call child molestation of a boy by a man "homosexual” or of a girl by a man "heterosexual" is to misunderstand pedophilia. No true pedophile is attracted to adults, so neither homosexuality nor heterosexuality applies.

In reality, abuse of boys by gay pedophiles is rare, and the abuse of girls by lesbians is rarer still.

The fact that I was molested by men is irrelevant in this context, but for the record, they were heterosexual. More on point, the woman who molested me was not a lesbian. The neighbor who offered a great deal of support to me throughout some very difficult times in my childhood, however, is a lesbian. She never tried to "convert" me, nor did she behave toward me in any way that was inappropriate with a child.

I wrote the other day that I do not sit here posting with smoke coming out of my ears, and that although what I write may sound angry at times, it's stylistic, not a matter of feeling.

For this thread, I take that back. I am smokin'. I know it's a waste of my time (see sig below), but I find this discussion about as offensive as it gets.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

[AlexCrowley 0]

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And all computer professionals should change theirs to:

"Even though I'm a geek I'm not an unsocialized buffoon"

Damn.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[AlexCrowley 0]

I think this is your fear..

Gay AMERICA!!!!!!

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[billvon 3,120]

>I don't contend that homosexuals should automatically be associated with NAMBLA . . .

. . . as most churches should not be associated with abortion clinic bombers. This is clear to most people, even if the church/group does not explicitly state it once a week. There are, of course, people who will take any ammunition they can get to 'win one for their side' no matter how absurd the proposition.

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No, I asked for the militant homosexual agenda. You pointed to the militant pedophilia agenda to imply they're the same thing and thus that homosexuals are pedophiles.

Remember me telling you that you are an angry person? Well until you come to grips with this i really don't think you'll get past it trying to force your agenda on others. Remember the meds, and counseling i advised you to get?

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Mostly what you've said in these gay threads has just been flawed by all the logical fallacies but this is the one thing you've said thats truly evil.

Now you've added evil to anger, it really makes the issue far more complex than it originally was. That man said nothing that was evil in my opinion. C'mon, lighten up. When you go off on these tirades, it makes you look as if your the one who has the ass for "breeders? I'm quite sure your a very intelligent person with lots to offer. I also believe your a very likeable person, but your pent up frustration is getting in your way. No one is bashing you, no one hates you, and i haven't noticed any militants in the area.

-Richard-
"You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall"

[billvon 3,120]

If skydivers want to advance their desire to be more accepted as a 'real' aviation activity, then I think they should consider not intentionally segragating/standing out so much. Standing out can take many forms. Closing pin necklaces, skydiving T-shirts, talking about skydiving in public, .sig lines that declare "Freeflying rules" are all forms of this. Whuffos are already accepted, so a sig line by a guy declaring "I'm extreme!" will get less criticism. It may not be fair, but it is reality. If skydivers want to advance their cause, facing this reality will help, in my opinion.

[AlexCrowley 0]

Whuffos could stop being such fucktards about people that choose the skydiving lifestyle.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

[labrys 0]

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If gays want to advance their desire to be more accepted, then I think they should consider not intentionally segragating/standing out so much.

Otherwise known as "shut the fuck up and then I'll listen to what you have to say. "

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[labrys 0]

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Don't you have enough toaster ovens?

On the lighter side... and just to set the record umm... "straight"

lesbians get toaster ovens... fags get retro Cuisinart blenders.

edit for effect:

lesbians dykes get toaster ovens... fags get retro Cuisinart blenders.

Owned by Remi #?

[RhondaLea 4]

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No, I asked for the militant homosexual agenda. You pointed to the militant pedophilia agenda to imply they're the same thing and thus that homosexuals are pedophiles.

Remember me telling you that you are an angry person? Well until you come to grips with this i really don't think you'll get past it trying to force your agenda on others. Remember the meds, and counseling i advised you to get?

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Mostly what you've said in these gay threads has just been flawed by all the logical fallacies but this is the one thing you've said thats truly evil.

Now you've added evil to anger, it really makes the issue far more complex than it originally was. That man said nothing that was evil in my opinion. C'mon, lighten up. When you go off on these tirades, it makes you look as if your the one who has the ass for "breeders? I'm quite sure your a very intelligent person with lots to offer. I also believe your a very likeable person, but your pent up frustration is getting in your way. No one is bashing you, no one hates you, and i haven't noticed any militants in the area.

First of all, you are arguing the man not the issue. Argue the issue.

Second of all, you're a suicidal nut case. You jump out of airplanes so you must have a death wish. You are irresponsible, without a care for your family, because you endanger their welfare and your community because you attempt to recruit others to this frivolous and dangerous activity. You need to come to grips with what is obviously a deranged mental state before you hurt someone. I'm sure that once you do, you'll be a very likable person with lots to offer.

(I was driving in the car one day, and I somehow got tuned into Dr. Laura on the radio. That's the gist of what she said about skydiving, IIRC.)

Third, I used to like you.

rl

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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As a side comment, I think that child molesters are an aberration. It is not specific to any sexual orientation.

There is no group that has 100% membership approval of any agenda, so that really isn't an argument against the existence of one.

Do gay/lesbian groups have limited agendas ?
Of course. In the same way, that any group supports similar interests.

I think that people of any sexual orientation are aggressive in pursuiing their target sex. Gay and lesbian people are just as aggressive as hetero people.

I have seen this used in whatever framework is present. I know women who went to the NOW divorce support group and they had a common complaint about about the immediate pressure.

The techniques were the same as men pursuing women.

- Alchohol. Wine and cheese parties.
- Boundary pushing. Un-necessary hugging/touching.
- Isolation from prior support mechanisms.

The women felt very uncomfortable and they didn't feel like it was just the actions of one individual either.

Is any collection of techniques, or a discussion of their use, an agenda? Probably.

[kelpdiver 2]

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I believe the term "flyover country" to be a phrase coined by liberals, representing the part of the country where they have little chance for victory in elections. It is also the part of the country that liberals consider a lost cause due to the majority red neck population-that is worthy of sneering at.

Sort of like how much of the red states sneer at California, no?

[Muenkel 0]

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If someone feels the need to declare their homosexuality with every post, people might assume some things that are unfair to assume. It is not me making the assumption, I'm just asserting that they run that risk of others doing it. I could be completely wrong about that.

I never said that anyone is not allowed to declare their sexuality with every post, I only said that I consider it an example of "in your face". There is a difference.

In Narcimund's defense...not that he needs it...I've always considered his sig line to be about something that is very important to him and affects his life tremendously. Whether we agree with it or not, I don't see anything wrong with him expressing his feelings.

Chris

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[narcimund 0]

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Remember me telling you that you are an angry person?

What I don't remember is asking you for your opinion on my emotional life. Really, man. That's just uncalled for.

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