Militant Homosexual Agenda

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If i read any more of this topic, i'm going to be on Prozac

Well, I was contemplating opting out, but since you put it that way...

If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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So here, according NAMBLA spokesmodel, David Thorstad:

strange political rant snipped

How interesting. Thanks for doing that research, Rhonda. I hadn't even gone to that site. I wish I had so I would have seen that even the pedophiles note the disconnect between the two groups.

Mark Harju, your contribution to this discussion has been noted, examined, and thoroughly discredited.

A couple of hundred posts into a thread where I initially asked for this well-known "Militant Homosexual Agenda" has so far resulted in this many answers:

Zero!

One could HOPE that people would therefore stop using this ridiculous phrase from now on, but one can be quite certain they won't. It's too useful for the bigots to rile up the emotions of the sheep. Baaah!

Okay, here goes.

I got bogged down with the NAMBLA flap on this thread. Here are some links.

Narci, you will probably either dismiss or ridicule these examples - please feel free.


[url "http://rainbowlaw.com/html/boycott.htm">"Boycott companies that hurt gay and lesbian families" - I noticed the Disney Company on this list. Christ almighty, isn't "Gay Days" at the theme parks enough? BTW - They've also had same-sex full-benefits for ever, so don't try that one.

"ExxonMobil officials trade barbs with activists over gay boycott, Company still
refuses to accede to demands over gay protections"] - Sheesh. Isn't expecting "protection" (from an oil company, no less) asking for special, preferential treatment?

Boy Scouts Funding Pulled

I found 1,609,996 other examples on the Internet.

"What cannot be coerced or reformed, must be ruined"

Care to refute them one by one?

And Rhonda, I've given this matter some thought.

Here's why Matthew Sheppard is a Poster Child.

He was a young homosexual man in the wrong place at the wrong time, engaging in the wrong conduct with the wrong people, and paid for his mistake with his life. That's all.

There are young women who have been brainwashed by all the feminist tripe that oozes out of their liberal college classes, and think they have the so-called "right" to dress and behave in a highly sexually provocative manner in the roughest part of town and not be bothered.

But then, when they find themselves on their back in an alley with their pants down, surrounded by a gang of punks, I'm certain that one of the last things to go through their minds is "My college professors told me this wouldn't happen!"

It has nothing to do with a liberal education, and it has everything to do with the way the Real World (tm) works. Some people find it out in time, others don't.

Matthew Sheppard didn't.

Classic example: If I swaggered into the Boot Hill Saloon in Daytona and started bad-mouthing bikers, I should expect to get my ass beat. I might even die (anecdote of actual situation that occured there circa 1978-9, but I was not involved. It was the friend of a friend).

The Sheppard case was picked up and trumpeted by the Liberal Media (tm), and became a rallying point for one reason and one reason only:

Every cause, however misguided, loves a martyr.

Edit to add my own philosophy on this subject, as stated by a self-defense instructor.

edit for grammar, typos and links

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Here's why Matthew Sheppard is a Poster Child.

He was a young homosexual man in the wrong place at the wrong time, engaging in the wrong conduct with the wrong people, and paid for his mistake with his life. That's all.

There are young women who have been brainwashed by all the feminist tripe that oozes out of their liberal college classes, and think they have the so-called "right" to dress and behave in a highly sexually provocative manner in the roughest part of town and not be bothered.

What the hell are you saying here, Mark? That Matthew Shepherd was somehow "looking for it". That's pretty fucking low.

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whereas posting a NAMBLA link was just light hearted fun.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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Here's why Matthew Sheppard is a Poster Child.

He was a young homosexual man in the wrong place at the wrong time, engaging in the wrong conduct with the wrong people, and paid for his mistake with his life. That's all.

Matthew Wayne Shepard (December 1, 1976 – October 12, 1998) was a gay American university student at the University of Wyoming, who was robbed and attacked by two men near Laramie, Wyoming on the night of October 6–October 7. Shepard died from his wounds several days later. His killers are both currently serving life sentences in prison. The perpetrators testified in the court, part of a gay panic defense that Shepard was attacked because of alleged homosexual advances. Later they recanted their story in a 20/20 interview with Elizabeth Vargas and said that the murder was actually a result of heavy drug use, a robbery and beating gone awry.

wrong conduct? what? being robbed? Or hitting on someone because YOU think being gay is wrong? And as they said, that was merely a defense they used in court and not even the truth.

What matters though, is that AT THE TIME of the trial, the defense they used was "he was gay and hit on us, so we beat him." Killing of beating someone for being gay is wrong. Whether he was oblivious of being a victim is irrelevent.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Please don't put words in my mouth - I'm not saying that at all. He wasn't "asking for it", he was simply someplace he shouldn't have been, doing something he shouldn't have been doing, and for whatever reason, was oblivious to the mortal danger he had placed himself in. Not the same thing.

I'm saying that being young and ignorant, Sheppard didn't perceive his surroundings as being hazardous.

A big part of avoiding being a victim of violent crime is to be aware of one's surroundings. He obviously wasn't.

Edit to add: and if they recanted, then Sheppard's not the gay rights poster child he's been made out to be, is he?

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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yeah but see, there's this logical argument about it all and uh...

ah fuck it

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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Once again, I'm not saying his conduct was wrong. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That wasn't really his fault. In my opinion, he was too young to know better.

That's just the way the real world works, and he's a martyr now as a result.

And as for stories of the murder being recanted, lots of people change their tune when their defense doesn't work.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Once again, I'm not saying his conduct was wrong. He was in the wrong place at the wrong time. That wasn't really his fault. In my opinion, he was too young to know better.

That's just the way the real world works, and he's a martyr now as a result.

And as for stories of the murder being recanted, lots of people change their tune when their defense doesn't work.

Funny, saying he "engaging in the wrong conduct with the wrong people" was EXACTLY what you said.

But keep going, that foot fits you nicely.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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actually a few days in and thats his kneecap you're thinking was his heel.

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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actually a few days in and thats his kneecap you're thinking was his heel.

oops my bad.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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By wrong place, do you mean Wyoming?

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By wrong place, do you mean Wyoming?

Yup. San Francisco would have been a much safer place.

Please read the "Boot Hill Saloon" anecdote.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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By wrong place, do you mean Wyoming?

Yup. San Francisco would have been a much safer place.

Please read the "Boot Hill Saloon" anecdote.

YAY!!

Let's keep the queers in San Fran, them negros in the inner cities, and the Jews in Hollywood and New York. Let's keep everyone where they fucking belong. Cause its safer that way. No one should attempt to go anywhere where their "kind" are not heavily populated. Ever.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Funny, saying he "engaging in the wrong conduct with the wrong people" was EXACTLY what you said.

But keep going, that foot fits you nicely.

Yes, your point is taken. I misstated my thinking.

His conduct was "wrong" becuase it was inappropriate for the place and the situation. That has to do with social mores and etiquette.

Please see the "Boot Hill Saloon" anecdote above.

We may have the "right" to do something incredibly stupid under the protection of the law.

However, there are places and situations where the rule of law is missing, and the law of the jungle applies.

This is what I believe happened to Sheppard.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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We're in a free society. People can go wherever and do whatever they want.

But even though I have the "right" to do so, I won't venture into Watts or Harlem under any circumstances. That has to do with self-preservation - I know better.

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"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Narci, you will probably either dismiss or ridicule these examples - please feel free.

I was quickly scrolling past your post looking for posts by people who actually respond to "reason, philosophy, and logic" when they ask for it. Somehow I spotted my nickname fly past.

I'm not going to dismiss or ridicule your examples. I'd have to follow through and look at them and think about them to do that.

By ignoring the responses you ask for, you've proven that your posts are not worth my time.

Next!

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We're in a free society. People can go wherever and do whatever they want.

But even though I have the right to do so, I won't venture into Watts or Harlem under any circumstances. That has to do with self-preservation.

Don't know about Watts, but Harlem? Please man. You are believing too much hype. It is not as dangerous as you think. Been there. And not once ws I threatened, stabbed, or felt in danger.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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We're in a free society. People can go wherever and do whatever they want.

But even though I have the right to do so, I won't venture into Watts or Harlem under any circumstances. That has to do with self-preservation.

Don't know about Watts, but Harlem? Please man. You are believing too much hype. It is not as dangerous as you think. Been there. And not once ws I threatened, stabbed, or felt in danger.

You make a valid point, and I'll agree that although there are thousands of people who get assaulted, brutalized, raped, etc., every day, there are of course billions who are not.

But what a bummer if you turn out to be one of the few.

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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We're in a free society. People can go wherever and do whatever they want.

But even though I have the right to do so, I won't venture into Watts or Harlem under any circumstances. That has to do with self-preservation.

Don't know about Watts, but Harlem? Please man. You are believing too much hype. It is not as dangerous as you think. Been there. And not once ws I threatened, stabbed, or felt in danger.

You make a valid point, and I'll agree that although there are thousands of people who get assaulted, brutalized, raped, etc., every day, there are of course billions who are not.

But what a bummer if you turn out to be one of the few.

I can attacked in just about every major city. Should we all avoid them to stop it? Should I not go to DC anymore because of the POSSIBILITY of being attacked?

That is a ridiculous level of paranoia and a horrible way to live.

Its one thing to be cautious, its another to live scared all the time.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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OK, so part of this militant homosexual agenda and/or the "special" treatment gays are asking for involves the right to go to college in Wyoming without being murdered? Geez- YOU ARE SO RIGHT! I can't believe I didn't see this before! That is so outrageous! How dare they expect that!

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The point was to be aware of one's circumstances and surroundings.

Let's use the "walking naked in a biker bar" idea as an example to explain this important concept.

1). This kind of thinking demands the rest of world conform to their expectations. They are insisting that bikers - a very distinct subculture with its own standards, behaviors and codes - suddenly cease to operate along their cultural lines and "respect" the individual enough to allow her to engage in this behavior. The basic idea is that it is society that has to do all the work and change its beliefs, not them.

2) They negate the freedom and individuality of others while insisting on their own. This can be summed up by simply saying: While they have the right to walk naked through a biker bar, a biker doesn't have the right to say anything about it.

3) It is about what they want, not what other people want, feel or need. There is no attempt or desire to compromise, negotiate or work out a equitable settlement where other people's ways of thinking, behavior or needs are factored in. There is no acceptance of other cultural standards or belief systems. Anyone who does not behave in the manner they desire is in the wrong."

"The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat."

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Don't know about Watts, but Harlem? Please man. You are believing too much hype. It is not as dangerous as you think. Been there. And not once ws I threatened, stabbed, or felt in danger.

Thats funny.
I used work traveling all across the entire NYC area. On many occasions I had to work in the middle of the night. I was lucky enough never to have been stabbed or Robbed, but many people I came in contact with were not as lucky. I can't begin to tell you how many times, I saw liberal thinking white boy's like yourself mugged, stabbed or beat up. Got to the point that don't feel sorry for them. Being a stupid liberal has it draw backs.
And if we can just use a little common sense here. Why do you think that all the stores in Harlem, the South Bronx, East Orange, Newark, and Irvington to name a few, have bars on the windows of every establishment. After all its not like that in Franklin Lakes, Alpine, the North Bronx or Anywhere in Westchester county.
Go ahead and try tell us some anecdote about what a great experience you had in the hood. I find it amusing how liberals argue something that is so clearly provable. It makes me laugh at how they bash religious people for believing in fairy tale like stories. Sounds like the pot kettle thing here.
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The point was to be aware of one's circumstances and surroundings.

Let's use the "walking naked in a biker bar" idea as an example to explain this important concept.

1). This kind of thinking demands the rest of world conform to their expectations. They are insisting that bikers - a very distinct subculture with its own standards, behaviors and codes - suddenly cease to operate along their cultural lines and "respect" the individual enough to allow her to engage in this behavior. The basic idea is that it is society that has to do all the work and change its beliefs, not them.

2) They negate the freedom and individuality of others while insisting on their own. This can be summed up by simply saying: While they have the right to walk naked through a biker bar, a biker doesn't have the right to say anything about it.

3) It is about what they want, not what other people want, feel or need. There is no attempt or desire to compromise, negotiate or work out a equitable settlement where other people's ways of thinking, behavior or needs are factored in. There is no acceptance of other cultural standards or belief systems. Anyone who does not behave in the manner they desire is in the wrong."

Being gay in an ENTIRE state should not equate to a biker bar. One is a confined area entirely controlled by ONE group. The other is a large area with people of differing mind (yes, even wyoming has people who are not homophobic).

The absolute point is that at the time of the trial, the killers said that Shepard was killed for being gay.

If the right to be inside a STATE without fear of being killed for who you are, sign me up as a militant.

Could Shepard have been more careful about who he got a ride from? Absolutely. But that is not the point. the point is that Shepard became a poster child because his killers said he died cause HE WAS GAY. That far outways any underlying "don't be a victim" reality that may be present.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.