beowulf 1 #401 December 21, 2005 I am NOT religous. I AM an atheist. I think homosexuality is disgusting and don't want to legally support it. I don't give a shit about religous tolerance of homosexuality. I don't see why marriage needs to be redifined for a minority group. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #402 December 21, 2005 >I love it when people want to SAVE marriage as it is... Yep. Hey, all you right wingers! You want to save marriage? Outlaw divorce. Of course, they would never, ever propose such a thing, because then THEY would lose some rights. And that's just not OK! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #403 December 21, 2005 QuoteGays want everyone to accept their lifestyle as being right I think they'd rather people just shut up and quit condemning them as wrong, not necessarily agree that theirs is a 'right' lifestyle. Lifestyle... yuppie, hippy, rich, poor, white trash, ghetto, silver spoon, suburban... THOSE are lifestyles. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #404 December 21, 2005 QuoteThe reason that I don't see any correlation between gay marriages and inter racial marriages is that... It's always easy to find a nitpick in an analogy and say, "See? That analogy is flawed." It's easy and it's the only way out for someone who's desperate to maintain their untenable position. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #405 December 21, 2005 >I don't see why marriage needs to be redifined for a minority group. So you _don't_ think blacks and whites should be allowed to marry? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #406 December 21, 2005 umm you need see my other post on that. I don't see blacks marrying whites as redifining marriages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #407 December 21, 2005 QuoteI am NOT religous. I AM an atheist. I think homosexuality is disgusting and don't want to legally support it. I don't give a shit about religous tolerance of homosexuality. I don't see why marriage needs to be redifined for a minority group. Oh good, you don't even have religion to back you up. Just disgust and fear. Two reasons I find most admirable. But at least you are being truthful. Do you think that if it is made legal, they will make YOU get a gay marriage. I mean really, how does it affect you?Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #408 December 21, 2005 QuoteI don't see why marriage needs to be redifined for a minority group. If you were open to understanding, everyone's analogies would have already shown you the fallacies in your arguments. But you're not arguing. You're stonewalling. You're deflecting. You're intentionally missing the point. No surprise there. It's what everyone's done on the anti-gay side of this debate, both within dropzone.com and in the larger world. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #409 December 21, 2005 Quoteumm you need see my other post on that. I don't see blacks marrying whites as redifining marriages. According to the courts it was. It was illegal for quite some time.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #410 December 21, 2005 QuoteI guess I don't see why 2 same-sex adults who love each other should be denied the legal right to marry in the US. Church and State are still supposed to be seperate (I know they're not). Ya know, for a Texan, you're pretty fucking hot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #411 December 21, 2005 QuoteJust disgust and fear. Two reasons I find most admirable. sorry just disgust. I will reduce the amount of taxes being levied. I don't have any interest in going out of my way to bar gay marriages. I also will not lift a finger to support gay marriages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #412 December 21, 2005 >I don't see blacks marrying whites as redifining marriages. In 1950, everyone thought that allowing blacks to marry whites was "redefining marriage." "What's next, allowing women to marry apes?" (Yes, that was actually a talking point.) Fortunately, the courts eventually ruled in favor of allowing blacks to marry whites. Today everyone accepts that that's OK. In 2005, many think that allowing same-sex unions is "redefining marriage." "What's next, allowing ten people to get married?" (Yes, that's actually a talking point.) Fortunately, in some places (Massachusetts) this is changing. The courts will eventually rule in favor of gay marriage. And in 2050, everyone will be fine with it - and the world will go on, just with a few more happy people in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #413 December 21, 2005 Yea well I don't have any intention of changing my mind. I am just saying what I think. Most arguments are futile. Both sides usually already have their minds made up and are not going to change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #414 December 21, 2005 umm I don't care what people in the 50's thought I am just stating what I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #415 December 21, 2005 Quotejust with a few more happy people in it. That's exactly what they're trying to prevent. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #416 December 21, 2005 Quoteumm you need see my other post on that. I don't see blacks marrying whites as redifining marriages. Probably because the definition of marriage you know today is different than that which was common at the time that the issue of interracial marriages was coming to a head. At that time and in those regions, the definition of marriage had to be changed in order to accommodate interracial marriage. And a lot of people were really steamed up by that, for all of the reasons you've described. But we, today, feel that it was justified, for the sake of equality (not for the sake of special treatments or requests). It's a similar situation here, really. Remarkably similar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,080 #417 December 21, 2005 >umm I don't care what people in the 50's thought . . . . Then I fear you may be destined to repeat their mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites GTAVercetti 0 #418 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust disgust and fear. Two reasons I find most admirable. sorry just disgust. I will reduce the amount of taxes being levied. I don't have any interest in going out of my way to bar gay marriages. I also will not lift a finger to support gay marriages. If your arguement is to reduce taxes, why not just go with what I said? Government has no say at all in ANY marriage? That would be the only way to really dent the taxes.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #419 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI guess I don't see why 2 same-sex adults who love each other should be denied the legal right to marry in the US. Church and State are still supposed to be seperate (I know they're not). Ya know, for a Texan, you're pretty fucking hot. Yes, yes I am. But what about the question? Aside from religion or personal opinion, where's the downside to gay marriage? Anti-homos, close your eyes, and imagine for a moment that the Supreme Court yesterday ruled gay unions legal. Now imagine your life as it is - what aspects, other than some initial media hullaballoo, will be negatively affected? you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #420 December 21, 2005 well seeing that Gay marriages is extremely low on my list of prioritys I don't think will be that much of a mistake. It only takes up a few minutes of boredom here at work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #421 December 21, 2005 Quotewell seeing that Gay marriages is extremely low on my list of prioritys I don't think will be that much of a mistake. It only takes up a few minutes of boredom here at work. Perhaps he's addressing your general I-ain't-gonna-change-my-mind-for-nuthin' approach. It's not very conducive to personal growth, much less learning from the experiences of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites narcimund 0 #422 December 21, 2005 QuoteYea well I don't have any intention of changing my mind. That's the definition of a closed mind. I'd be happy to change my mind even on this very personal matter if someone could show me actual significant harm that would come if I were allowed to marry. Anyone who isn't open to changing their mind is just preaching. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #423 December 21, 2005 well its nice that you guys have so much interest in my personal growth. Not supporting gay marriages doesn't necessarily mean that I am not open to learning from other peoples mistakes. I just find gay marriages disgusting. Why would I want to support that? How would it ever benefit me to support gay marriages? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Rebecca 0 #424 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuotewell seeing that Gay marriages is extremely low on my list of prioritys I don't think will be that much of a mistake. It only takes up a few minutes of boredom here at work. Perhaps he's addressing your general I-ain't-gonna-change-my-mind-for-nuthin' approach. It's not very conducive to personal growth, much less learning from the experiences of others. Conducive. Good word. I used it in a Freshman English essay in college and the dumbass TA actually questioned its validity as a word. It brought my grade on the whole paper down, and I've never forgiven him for being so ignorant of his chosen subject. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites beowulf 1 #425 December 21, 2005 QuoteDo you think that if it is made legal, they will make YOU get a gay marriage. I mean really, how does it affect you? Really it probably won't affect at all. But why would I want to support is anyway? It's disgusting. What incentive is there for me to support gay marriages? Is it going to make my life better to do so? Will I feel better by doing so? I don't think so. So I don't. I also don't do anything to appose it. I neither vote for nor against gay marriages. 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beowulf 1 #411 December 21, 2005 QuoteJust disgust and fear. Two reasons I find most admirable. sorry just disgust. I will reduce the amount of taxes being levied. I don't have any interest in going out of my way to bar gay marriages. I also will not lift a finger to support gay marriages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #412 December 21, 2005 >I don't see blacks marrying whites as redifining marriages. In 1950, everyone thought that allowing blacks to marry whites was "redefining marriage." "What's next, allowing women to marry apes?" (Yes, that was actually a talking point.) Fortunately, the courts eventually ruled in favor of allowing blacks to marry whites. Today everyone accepts that that's OK. In 2005, many think that allowing same-sex unions is "redefining marriage." "What's next, allowing ten people to get married?" (Yes, that's actually a talking point.) Fortunately, in some places (Massachusetts) this is changing. The courts will eventually rule in favor of gay marriage. And in 2050, everyone will be fine with it - and the world will go on, just with a few more happy people in it. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #413 December 21, 2005 Yea well I don't have any intention of changing my mind. I am just saying what I think. Most arguments are futile. Both sides usually already have their minds made up and are not going to change. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #414 December 21, 2005 umm I don't care what people in the 50's thought I am just stating what I think. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #415 December 21, 2005 Quotejust with a few more happy people in it. That's exactly what they're trying to prevent. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #416 December 21, 2005 Quoteumm you need see my other post on that. I don't see blacks marrying whites as redifining marriages. Probably because the definition of marriage you know today is different than that which was common at the time that the issue of interracial marriages was coming to a head. At that time and in those regions, the definition of marriage had to be changed in order to accommodate interracial marriage. And a lot of people were really steamed up by that, for all of the reasons you've described. But we, today, feel that it was justified, for the sake of equality (not for the sake of special treatments or requests). It's a similar situation here, really. Remarkably similar. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,080 #417 December 21, 2005 >umm I don't care what people in the 50's thought . . . . Then I fear you may be destined to repeat their mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #418 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteJust disgust and fear. Two reasons I find most admirable. sorry just disgust. I will reduce the amount of taxes being levied. I don't have any interest in going out of my way to bar gay marriages. I also will not lift a finger to support gay marriages. If your arguement is to reduce taxes, why not just go with what I said? Government has no say at all in ANY marriage? That would be the only way to really dent the taxes.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #419 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuoteI guess I don't see why 2 same-sex adults who love each other should be denied the legal right to marry in the US. Church and State are still supposed to be seperate (I know they're not). Ya know, for a Texan, you're pretty fucking hot. Yes, yes I am. But what about the question? Aside from religion or personal opinion, where's the downside to gay marriage? Anti-homos, close your eyes, and imagine for a moment that the Supreme Court yesterday ruled gay unions legal. Now imagine your life as it is - what aspects, other than some initial media hullaballoo, will be negatively affected? you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #420 December 21, 2005 well seeing that Gay marriages is extremely low on my list of prioritys I don't think will be that much of a mistake. It only takes up a few minutes of boredom here at work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #421 December 21, 2005 Quotewell seeing that Gay marriages is extremely low on my list of prioritys I don't think will be that much of a mistake. It only takes up a few minutes of boredom here at work. Perhaps he's addressing your general I-ain't-gonna-change-my-mind-for-nuthin' approach. It's not very conducive to personal growth, much less learning from the experiences of others. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
narcimund 0 #422 December 21, 2005 QuoteYea well I don't have any intention of changing my mind. That's the definition of a closed mind. I'd be happy to change my mind even on this very personal matter if someone could show me actual significant harm that would come if I were allowed to marry. Anyone who isn't open to changing their mind is just preaching. First Class Citizen Twice Over Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #423 December 21, 2005 well its nice that you guys have so much interest in my personal growth. Not supporting gay marriages doesn't necessarily mean that I am not open to learning from other peoples mistakes. I just find gay marriages disgusting. Why would I want to support that? How would it ever benefit me to support gay marriages? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #424 December 21, 2005 QuoteQuotewell seeing that Gay marriages is extremely low on my list of prioritys I don't think will be that much of a mistake. It only takes up a few minutes of boredom here at work. Perhaps he's addressing your general I-ain't-gonna-change-my-mind-for-nuthin' approach. It's not very conducive to personal growth, much less learning from the experiences of others. Conducive. Good word. I used it in a Freshman English essay in college and the dumbass TA actually questioned its validity as a word. It brought my grade on the whole paper down, and I've never forgiven him for being so ignorant of his chosen subject. you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
beowulf 1 #425 December 21, 2005 QuoteDo you think that if it is made legal, they will make YOU get a gay marriage. I mean really, how does it affect you? Really it probably won't affect at all. But why would I want to support is anyway? It's disgusting. What incentive is there for me to support gay marriages? Is it going to make my life better to do so? Will I feel better by doing so? I don't think so. So I don't. I also don't do anything to appose it. I neither vote for nor against gay marriages. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
