Dateline NBC story

[tdog 0]

Ok, so I am 100% against guys "hooking up" with minors on the internet then arranging coming over to the 13 year old's house to hook up. It is wrong...

But, Dateline tonight had a story on...

Adults from an action group went on discussion forums posing as cute 12 year olds, posting "their" pictures on line. They waited for someone to make the first move online, at which point they played (aggressively, not passively) along and the discussions got real dirty. At some point, they invited over the adult to "their" house.

When the perps showed up, they were invited into the kitchen area as the kid yelled, "come in, I spilled some coke on myself, I need to change my clothes, just sit at the kitchen counter and I will come down in a sec."

As soon as the perp sat down, the Dateline NBC reporter came out and started asking questions. The reporter told the viewers that the 7 or so hidden cameras were hidden and that the perp did not know if he was the family member or law enforcement, or that what they were saying in this kitchen would air on national television.

The perps, especially a rabbi, asked who the reporter was (not knowing that he was a reporter at all). The rabbi said, "I know I am in trouble and what I did is wrong, but I don't want to make it worse now." The reporter refused to tell who he was, but kept asking questions, finding ways to make each perp talk. These tapes were handed over to the police, yet the rabbi was never read his rights before he was asked questions.

At the end he let them know that they were on hidden camera, and he was a reporter.

In the process, Dateline showed the perps names, employers, and everything required to find out where they live and work. Their names, voices and faces were on national television without their consent, recorded covertly inside a private home. At the end of the story it is revealed that almost every one of the guys lost their jobs or worse.

Now, what these guys did, or were going to do, is 100% wrong.

We have a justice system with law enforcement, DAs, Judges and Juries. I believe TV news reporters should not be that justice system and take justice into their own hands, especially by making news and fooling people into not knowing they are on the record.

I believe the reporters should have disclosed right away that they were reporters and what was said was on the record, especially when asked. They set up the room to put the reporter between the door and the person, trapping them in and forcing them to answer questions.

These guys need mental help, or perhaps jail time... The experts on Dateline said that these guys have mental sicknesses and need help. I just think Dateline should not have run the story showing the full names, occupations, city of residence, faces, and voices of these perps. The story would have been just as powerful if they would have fuzzed it out and given the tapes to law enforcement (like they did anyway) for the real justice system to give these guys a fair trial - or better yet, given these guys the tools needed to fix their mental problems.

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[jumper03 0]

I saw it...I think they had it coming...I just with the cops would have been there to take them away.

Especially the tard that sat there naked....

Scars remind us that the past is real

[AggieDave 6]

My views of the media have been skewed for the rest of my life from after Bonfire 1999 and how we were treated by the media. That has cut deep into my life and when I think of someone in the media now, a reporter, all I can feel is those feelings from before. The media steps past the bounds of proper reporting in just about everything they do, well beyond what the public needs for the information (just the facts). They ruin people's lives for the sake of attempting to "break" a big story to further their personal careers.

I have no respect for people in the media profession.

With that said, messing with kids...*shudder*, they have a special place in what ever hell they believe in.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[tdog 0]

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I saw it...I think they had it coming...I just with the cops would have been there to take them away.

Especially the tard that sat there naked....

DING DING DING - because they would have been read their rights and justice would have happened per the established justice system.

[flyinghonu 0]

Um....adults trying to meet children for WHATEVER...they had it coming! Bet some would think differently if it was THEIR house some perv. was sitting in waiting to meet their 13 old daughter. Think about it....

"Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix

[Sled14 0]

Yeah that was pretty funny when after asking them questions about hooking up with minors, that they were on camera. Some, especially that rabbi freaked out. At first I felt bad like that would suck because of their jobs and whatever, but then you think about them taking advantage of minors and IMO they deserve it.

[dmetz 0]

I saw it too. This one was a little too close to home here, I'd say these guys got off easy. I would really have liked to have been there when they came strolling in the house. Damn, did you see the look on the face of that bald doctor in the spandex when the "boy" said he was going to get changed. Christ, he didn't waste a second to chase after him licking his chops. Sick SOBs, I'd love just a few minutes alone with all of 'em.

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[Lindercles 0]

These guys definitely have it coming to them. The issue, however, is in who gives it to them. That is why we have established conduits through which to process these people. In this case, the media did something wrong in order to achieve a just end, but if we allow it to continue, eventually someone in the media will do it to achieve an unjust end, intentionally or not. What will you think when the victim is YOU?

[tdog 0]

These guys are sick. I agree...

But, our justice system is built on being innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers.

Public humiliation, without a trial by jury, is not a quality our country was founded on.

Have the police there and arrest them right away. Get them mental help. Whatever... But, don't sell shares of NBC-Universal this way...

[AggieDave 6]

Its called "the fruit of the poisonous tree" in law enforcement. Everything after the illegal act on the part of the law enforcement is not admissable in court. So if there was no probable cause for a traffic stop, the dead body and the 100lbs of cocaine in the trunk are now thrown out of court.

Same thing here, but the folks in the media are too stupid to realize that and understand that, since they were not trained, taught nor licensed to conduct such actions. The self righteous media don't have the intelligence to actually understand that.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[flyinghonu 0]

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These guys definitely have it coming to them. The issue, however, is in who gives it to them. That is why we have established conduits through which to process these people. In this case, the media did something wrong in order to achieve a just end, but if we allow it to continue, eventually someone in the media will do it to achieve an unjust end, intentionally or not. What will you think when the victim is YOU?

Not too worried being that I don't PREY on minors to fulfill by sexual desires.

"Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix

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In this case, the media did something wrong in order to achieve a just end***

an excellent illustration of the principle of double effect.

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[Lindercles 0]

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Not too worried being that I don't PREY on minors to fulfill by sexual desires.

That would be the unjust end part. If the media is allowed to trap guilty people, what keeps them from trapping innocent people, and ruining their lives?

[flyinghonu 0]

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Its called "the fruit of the poisonous tree" in law enforcement. Everything after the illegal act on the part of the law enforcement is not admissable in court. So if there was no probable cause for a traffic stop, the dead body and the 100lbs of cocaine in the trunk are now thrown out of court.

Same thing here, but the folks in the media are too stupid to realize that and understand that, since they were not trained, taught nor licensed to conduct such actions. The self righteous media don't have the intelligence to actually understand that.

Aggie D:

The Media is NOT law enforcement and hence not held to the same standard. The coverage you saw in Nightline can absolutely be admissible in court, with the right attorney, as it was not law enforcement who, in techincal terms, entrapped the "perv."

"Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix

[flyinghonu 0]

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Not too worried being that I don't PREY on minors to fulfill by sexual desires.

That would be the unjust end part. If the media is allowed to trap guilty people, what keeps them from trapping innocent people, and ruining their lives?

Well, I'm thinking that "innocent people" would be a lot harder to "trap." I'm gonna' need a hypothetical to continue this. These guys are hardly being trapped. Think about it, a KID, an adult, you know what is "right" and what is "wrong."

"Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix

[micro 0]

I'd love to see the media follow up w/ these perps and see what sort of recidivism there has been... was this "gotcha" moment their "bottoming out" they needed to fix their shit? Or did they go back to their own ways?

Unfortunately, they probably stopped for a while, but then went back to their old ways...

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...

[AggieDave 6]

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with the right attorney, as it was not law enforcement who, in techincal terms, entrapped the "perv."

Hey, I'm by no ways defending the perps that were caught, BUT if the media acts like LEOs then the courts will end up treating them like LEOs. Watch and see it happen. Of course, the media won't report it, since their damage is done to the persons involved with out care to all the people involved (including without care to the innocent persons), they slaughtered all innocent, guilty and others without care on the national news. That is superceeding our law.

You defend the media as righteous, you obviously have never been crossed by the media and hurt deeply by what they protrayed as true which was completely untrue and just hurtful for the sake of hurtful and for the sake of ratings. Since that has never happened to you, I feel sorry for you, since it will happen at some point. It will be someone you loved and something you held dear to your heart and it will be reported with complete lies with hate in order to fullfill their ratings.

--"When I die, may I be surrounded by scattered chrome and burning gasoline."

[tdog 0]

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Its called "the fruit of the poisonous tree" in law enforcement. Everything after the illegal act on the part of the law enforcement is not admissable in court. So if there was no probable cause for a traffic stop, the dead body and the 100lbs of cocaine in the trunk are now thrown out of court.

Same thing here, but the folks in the media are too stupid to realize that and understand that, since they were not trained, taught nor licensed to conduct such actions. The self righteous media don't have the intelligence to actually understand that.

Aggie D:

The Media is NOT law enforcement and hence not held to the same standard. The coverage you saw in Nightline can absolutely be admissible in court, with the right attorney, as it was not law enforcement who, in techincal terms, entrapped the "perv."

Why did the reporter not disclose he was a reporter and the subject was on record and being recorded. When he was asked, didn't he have the obligation to tell the truth? This was not a case of a camera in your face, but hidden cameras.

Traditionally, the use of hidden cameras comes with the identity of the people on tape being protected... Not here, they even showed the person's full name...

Many communities show CONVICTED sex offenders on public websites and news programs... The word here is in bold - convicted.

[Lindercles 0]

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an excellent illustration of the principle of double effect.

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I'd love to see the media follow up w/ these perps and see what sort of recidivism there has been... was this "gotcha" moment their "bottoming out" they needed to fix their shit? Or did they go back to their own ways?

Unfortunately, they probably stopped for a while, but then went back to their old ways...

Actually, did you see the show. One guy is so screwed up mentally that he goes back on line, and the very next day they trap him AGAIN at Mcdonalds... The reporter says, "I have been in news for a long time, but you made me speechless." As the guy walks away they zoom into his untied shoes.

You could see in this guy's eyes that he had some screws missing - he needs help... Serious help... From someone trained in mental health.

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an excellent illustration of the principle of double effect.

interesting, execpt that if i recall the principle of double effect correctly, it violates two of it's basic tenets.

The first being that the action in question itself not be wrong.

And the second being that the the good effect be proportionate to the bad. I certainly don't mean to sound insensitive, but it seems to me that the potential effects of this sort of activity on our society as a whole outweighs the good effect of saving a small number of members of the same society.

Oh man, i'm going to catch so much hell for this.

[Lindercles 0]

WHEW!
I was really afraid of what might have resulted from that!

[ChangoLanzao 0]

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My views of the media have been skewed for the rest of my life from after Bonfire 1999 and how we were treated by the media. That has cut deep into my life and when I think of someone in the media now, a reporter, all I can feel is those feelings from before. The media steps past the bounds of proper reporting in just about everything they do, well beyond what the public needs for the information (just the facts). They ruin people's lives for the sake of attempting to "break" a big story to further their personal careers.

I have no respect for people in the media profession.

With that said, messing with kids...*shudder*, they have a special place in what ever hell they believe in.

DITTO.

"Even if my life had no other significance, I am satisfied with having discovered the absolutely demoralizing existence of the daily press."
-- Soren Kierkegaard

[flyinghonu 0]

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***You defend the media as righteous, you obviously have never been crossed by the media and hurt deeply by what they protrayed as true which was completely untrue and just hurtful for the sake of hurtful and for the sake of ratings. Since that has never happened to you, I feel sorry for you, since it will happen at some point. It will be someone you loved and something you held dear to your heart and it will be reported with complete lies with hate in order to fullfill their ratings.***

ABSOULTELY FALSE! I feel no need to elaborate w/ details. I'm not defending the media. I KNOW there is sensationalism for ratings. However....given the topic of the show at discussion, having seen the actual show at discussion and having percieved the "perps." on the show at discussion, AND having been a victim of these types of "perps." I find that this is one of the few that was NOT sensationalized. These guys, whether arrested, sitting in jail as we speak or wherever their sleezy asses are, don't need the media, law enforcement, or even some innocent minor to FORCE them to engage in such acts...this is who they are. These people are attracted to minors and prey on minors....they don't need the media to sensationalize any of it in order for such fact to be true!

"Excuse me while I kiss the sky..." - Jimi Hendrix

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I'd love to see the media follow up w/ these perps and see what sort of recidivism there has been... was this "gotcha" moment their "bottoming out" they needed to fix their shit? Or did they go back to their own ways?

Unfortunately, they probably stopped for a while, but then went back to their old ways...

Actually, did you see the show. One guy is so screwed up mentally that he goes back on line, and the very next day they trap him AGAIN at Mcdonalds... The reporter says, "I have been in news for a long time, but you made me speechless." As the guy walks away they zoom into his untied shoes.

You could see in this guy's eyes that he had some screws missing - he needs help... Serious help... From someone trained in mental health.

no, sorry, didn't see the show... not surprised though. something like this can change someone for the better (not saying the media tactics were right), sometimes it will have no bearing at all....

I miss Lee.
And JP.
And Chris. And...