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"Nigger" the dog - Dambusters

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It's like having a bunch of crazy "Black" people get together and say I think we need to make a movie with a white dog, named "White Mother F-er". And then have them all agree, "there's nothing wrong with that!"



IMO, there *is* nothing wrong with that.

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I've never seen this movie. But it sounds to me like it'll never fly (in it's original format), in my country......Steve1



I agree. Too many brainwashed liberal pinheads in the US to let something like that fly.

Kind of like the statue of the firemen raising the flag in the ruins of the 9/11 attacks. They all happened to be white, but the artist was, as I recall, required to make one of them black.

Politicians in general, and especially liberals, have never been very inclined to let facts sway their opinions or agendas.

I could see a similar thing happening to the movie when, in reality, it is, or should be, a "don't care".

Walt

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I agree. Too many brainwashed liberal pinheads in the US to let something like that fly.

Kind of like the statue of the firemen raising the flag in the ruins of the 9/11 attacks. They all happened to be white, but the artist was, as I recall, required to make one of them black.



Count how many people in this thread think its ok for the dog to be called 'nigger'. Count how many would be considered liberal (in the US). Seems to be most of them to me.

BTW, how do you make a statue black? Most of the ones I see tend to be marble or bronze coloured:P
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AlexCrowley,
Maybe I am doing something to be noticed. So far my opinion doesn't seem too popular here. So far I've pissed off the Klu Klux Klan, most of the Arian Nation, and half the posters on Drop Zone . Com., and all I had to do is say that I don't like the word "Nigger". It really makes a person feel powerful in a wierd kind of way.

By the way Alex, could you please explain your picture next to your name. I find it to be offensive. Is it just another extension of the prejudice you have inside. If anyone is insecure I'd say it's you rather than me. Why do you feel so threatened by the Black race?......Steve1

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I doubt if any white person (in America) knows what it is like to be on the receiving end of racism.



If you'd been a white kid growing up in Hawaii like me, that statement would NEVER come out of your keyboard.




I know how you must feel. Few whites ever grow up in a terrible situation like that. And I'm sure you know how awful that feels. I don't blame you a bit for being angry, and I'm sure you have a great depth of understanding on this subject.

I work at a Native American school as a counselor. I've been there 21 years. I feel prejudice of some sort almost every day, and I often feel very angry to be on the receiving end of it. In our school, we have about a 96% Native American Population. The kids are usually good to deal with, but there's often times a dysfunctional parent coming into the school screaming. Often times they shout about how all their kids problems are being caused by all the " damn White" people in the school. Interestingly enough they don't get along any better with the Indian teachers who are here. They often hate them more than us. In the tribal newspaper there is the same "Racist" garbage in many articles.

I try to chalk all this up to understanding how Racism works. It's no fun to be on the receiving end of it, and it often comes from the "majority" race that lives in a place. And above all I think it stems from ignorance.

Don't get me wrong, there are many great "Native American" parents living on our Reservation. It's the parents who are hurting their kids that I have an issue with......Steve1

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I agree. Too many brainwashed liberal pinheads in the US to let something like that fly.

Kind of like the statue of the firemen raising the flag in the ruins of the 9/11 attacks. They all happened to be white, but the artist was, as I recall, required to make one of them black.



Count how many people in this thread think its ok for the dog to be called 'nigger'. Count how many would be considered liberal (in the US). Seems to be most of them to me.

BTW, how do you make a statue black? Most of the ones I see tend to be marble or bronze coloured:P



The proposal was to make the statue "mutlicultural". I don't know if it ever was built, on account of the outrage this produced. Maybe someone familiar with NYC can comment.

I think it appropriate to avoid cultural insensitivity, but changing history for PC purposes goes way too far.

BTW, you do know that the famous Iwo Jima flag raising picture was staged, don't you?
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AlexCrowley,
Maybe I am doing something to be noticed. So far my opinion doesn't seem too popular here. So far I've pissed off the Klu Klux Klan, most of the Arian Nation, and half the posters on Drop Zone . Com., and all I had to do is say that I don't like the word "Nigger". It really makes a person feel powerful in a wierd kind of way.



Your post was not addressed to me, but I'd like to answer. It's ok to not like a word. I'm sure everyone has their least favorites, my personal least favorite word, along with the context that bothers me, is hearing a woman referred to as a "cunt". I cannot think of a more vulgar expression.

Unlike the way many react to the word "nigger", though, I have no inclination to censor its use by anyone. I have never thought that any specific group of people have ownership of that word and it is ok for them to say it and not ok for anyone else to say it. Nor have I ever had the thought that nobody should be able to say it.

In my mind, both words fit into a class of words that are used almost exclusively for name-calling.

If you don't like a woman, you call her a "bitch" (or a "cunt", I suppose)

If you don't like a man, he becomes a "bastard", "asshole", "cocksucker", "asswipe", or whatever.

I'll leave out the racial terms, but the same thought applies.

That is what those words are used for, in general. They are words used for name calling.

That's pretty much *all* they are. They have no special powers. No one person or group owns any of them. They are just words.

What I do find highly annoying, though, is censorship, and there seems to be a lot of it associated with the word "nigger". What do these censors think is going to happen if someone uses that word? Whatever it is, I'm sure worse things happen every day.

I think the reason people get irritated with those who would restrict its use is the idea that some people seem to be hell-bent on appointing themselves as arbiters of what is acceptable and unnacceptable for those around them. I prefer to leave the choice to the individual and I think most reasonable people do.

In the end, "nigger" is only a word, and IMO is not worth anyone getting stressed-out over, whether you like the word or not.

Walt

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You have me cracking up.


On the scary offchance you're being serious -

1. Your responding to my sig line - it's from my personal collection of hate PMs from people like yourself.

[an aside: btw, to those that dont like me - please send more, nothing warms my little black heart more than knowing I've annoyed someone, please reread my posts from the religion thread if you need to generate some targetted vitriol]

2. You're accusing me of being prejudiced to evil clowns?

dude, you fucking rock!

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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I work ....... as a counselor.



On the one hand this explains so much, yet is incredibly scary given the tone and content of your posts.

For someone who so obviously egocentric and pride-filled about their "oh so sensitive nature" it seems a little hypocritical to cast aspersions when you have no idea about the heritage of the person who's opinions you have wholly misunderstood and over-reacted to. I realize that your reading comprehension skills are somewhat lacking given the evidence within this thread, but blacks and native americans are not the only cultures on the planet to have suffered prejudice, nor are they the only ones whom still suffer prejudice.

Not everyone on here is a white american/european. It would appear that your own racism and prejudices have been revealed. Maybe there's some counselling you can get for that?

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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So Alex....Tell us what your race and heritage is. It seems to me that you're a White person mocking Black people. You might do well to stay in your own country. That kind of thinking doesn't do well over here. It's too bad that this thread has eroded to point that your only argument is insulting me.

You still haven't answered the question: "Why do you feel so threatened by Black people?"....Steve1

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Hmmm, I really want to send you an evil nasty PM now.

Only problem is I probably wouldn't be very good at it and would just end up sounding a little camp (or should that be coming over a little queer? No, wrong thread:P).

Maybe I'll try one anyway - post somethig really outrageous so I'll have some good material to work with.
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Steve,

I'm confused. Where have I said anything vaguely racist in any of my comments? You've consistently attacked me for it and it seems so ludicrous that I've been laughing about it. Obviously you're serious (ly disturbed).

Just show me exactly what I said that was attacking any race....because quite honestly you're challenging me to defend a position I didnt even know I'd taken (except for the name of a dog).

As for my heritage thats none of your fucking business. You aren't worth my taking a vacation from here so you'll have to excuse my laughter.

Is my icon still offensive to you?

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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So Alex....Tell us what your race and heritage is. It seems to me that you're a White person mocking Black people. You might do well to stay in your own country. That kind of thinking doesn't do well over here. It's too bad that this thread has eroded to point that your only argument is insulting me.

You still haven't answered the question: "Why do you feel so threatened by Black people?"....Steve1



It's not for me to speak for Alex, but I'm going to take up the cudgel on his behalf anyway, mostly because he's just going to fuck with you until you look like a total flaming moron, and I really think you're neither stupid nor ill-meaning.

He isn't a white person mocking black people, he's an Englishman mocking a USian. Big difference. And he feels threatened by no one, although I've tried. :D

As to his avatar, if he used his real face, he'd never get anything done for the women beating down his door.

As for "nigger" for the dog's name, what part of "this movie is historical in nature and that was the dog's real name" don't you understand?

I hate the "n" word, and I don't associate by choice with those who use it or words like it in a pejorative sense. On the other hand, I'm not willing to write off the scores of black rap artists as racist even if you are.

Those who do not learn the lessons of history are doomed to repeat them. Revisionism makes it possible for us to go on doing the same stupid fucked-up things over and over again. Allowing this generation and those that come after to remain ignorant of how bad things used to be is not going to be good for anyone. This is the way it happened. And no matter how politically incorrect you think it, it's still the way it was.

So now, just because I feel like it, a little Lenny Bruce, my favorite all-time comedian:

Across the street from Off Broadway, Dick Gregory was headlining the hungry i. Like Chaplin, Fields, Lenny, and Erwin Corey, Greg was another American comic turned social critic. Greg and I walked in on the middle of Lenny's show; he had never heard Lenny. Spotting Greg, Lenny peered at the audience for an unnerving interval:

"Are there any niggers here tonight?" Greg stiffened like a retriever, with the rest of the audience. In 1962, nobody had ever heard that word on stage, not in a white nightclub. Lenny began a mock soliloquy:

"Ohmygod, did you hear what he said? 'Are there any niggers here tonight?' Is that rank! Is that cruel! Is that a cheap way to get laughs? Well, I think I see a nigger at the bar talking to two guinea owners, and next to them are a couple of wops, one kike, two greaseballs, a squarehead, three gooks, one frog, two limeys, a couple of sheenies, two jigaboos, one hunkey, fonky boogie - bid 'em up! Bid 'em up! Six more niggers! I pass with two dykes, four kikes, and eight niggers!"

The once frozen audience now gave way to hysteria, the sweet laughter of liberation only Lenny could unloose:

"Now, why have I done this? Is this only for shock-value? Well, if all the niggers started calling each other 'nigger,' not only among themselves, which they do anyway, but among the ofays. If President Kennedy got on television and said: 'I'm considering appointing two or three of the top niggers in the country into my cabinet' - if it was nothing but nigger, nigger, nigger - in six months 'nigger' wouldn't mean any more than 'goodnight,' 'God bless you,' or "I promise to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help me God - when that beautiful day comes, you'll never see another nigger kid come home from school crying because some ofay motherfucker called him a nigger."

Gregory turned to me: "This man is the eighth wonder of the world. You have to go back to Mark Twain to find anything remotely like him. And if they don't kill him, or throw him in jail, he's liable to shake up this whole fuckin' country."

A year later, Gregory published his book Nigger dedicated to "Dear Momma - Wherever you are, if you ever hear the word 'nigger' again, remember they are advertising my book."

From: Lenny Bruce Originals
If you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb

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As for "nigger" for the dog's name, what part of "this movie is historical in nature and that was the dog's real name" don't you understand?



Well....

Although it is a fact that the dog was called "nigger" Guy Gibson, in naming the dog, could not possibly have taken into account the meaning and depth of feeling that word could invoke 2,000 miles away and 60 years later.

As it stands now the use of that word can only indicate hate and revulsion on the part of the user. For the sake of the children we should not hesitate to replace Nigger with a similar yet benign name. I'm sure Guy won't mind, he's been dead for half a century anyway.

Do you understand?
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mostly because he's just going to fuck with you until you look like a total flaming moron, and I really think you're neither stupid nor ill-meaning.



I think you added an N or two in there you didnt mean to. I wont point them out cos it would just cause trouble.


Addressed to no one in particular....

My point is simple, it seems quite silly to throw out accusations to people you neither know or are able to keep up with in a discussion. Kinda like when this guy made this bet with me about my income......eh well turns out he had this huge cock.....

And I'm english because I was born there, by our rules if your parents fuck and you are spawned on English soil you are English, even if your first language will be another when you're older. Under American rules I'm not english I am second generation ..........whatever.

For those in Blighty:

Here is a real conversation I have had on at least 5 occasions in the last 10 years:

"Really? I'm english too!" - someone who just met me.
"Oh god, dont tell me you're one of those idiots that claims they're english because you came over on the fucking mayflower" - intoxicated me
"How did you know?"
"get me another fucking drink"

Lesson Learned: never drink at the meal where you're meeting your inlaws family of upper class socialites for the first time. Luckily I told a few dick jokes and turned the crowd around.

Yes my English and European friends, here in the US you can claim to be anything if you remember back that far or know that the person you're talking to will never fact check your claims (and claiming to be off the first boat is a big deal apparently).

This bullshit tends to stop as you move further west where you'll actually meet americans (who are way more fun to be around). Here on the East coast I'm surrounded by Italians (who speak no italian) and Irish (who drink beer and wear green on St Patricks day and talk about the 'home' they've never actually been to or seen other than a few soap commercials and Braveheart (shit, they're talking the english language with noncockney accents - they're the irish!......fuck you Sean Connery in The Untouchables.)

TV's got them images, TV's got them all, nothing's shocking.

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As it stands now the use of that word can only indicate hate and revulsion on the part of the user. For the sake of the children we should not hesitate to replace Nigger with a similar yet benign name. I'm sure Guy won't mind, he's been dead for half a century anyway.

Do you understand?
;)



Please, oh pleeeeeeeeeeeeeease tell me you are not serious, cuz that is really retarded.

Who the fuck are you to appoint yourself as censor for the rest of the world?

As I said in an earlier post, it is only a word. If you want to live your life in fear of words, go ahead--but don't try and censor those of us who do not share your pathetic little fears and neuroses.

Walt

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