kelpdiver 2 #126 December 13, 2005 Quote If you're stupid, and might go down for a crime that you did commit, and have the opportunity to stay out by testifying against "some scumbag" who is probably guilty -- would you? We're talking about the members of society who would choose 10 days in jail over a $500 fine. Wendy - I was thinking more about the detectives or the DAs involved, rather than those giving false witness. I suppose the last group is just as responsible, but the first two know what they're doing is wrong, and aren't doing it for self preservation. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JohnRich 4 #127 December 13, 2005 QuoteCalifornia is going to execute a man who has been nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize five times... He's written numerous children's books... I am disgusted with California and the governor. Crime scene photos and stories of your hero's murder victims: 1) Albert Owens When Darryl and Sims entered the 7-Eleven, Owens put the broom and dust pan down and followed them into the store. Williams and Coward followed Owens into the store. As Darryl and Sims walked to the counter area to take money from the register, Williams walked behind Owens and told him "shut up and keep walking." While pointing a shotgun at Owens' back, Williams directed him to a back storage room. Once inside the storage room, Williams, at gunpoint, ordered Owens to "lay down, mother fucker." Williams then chambered a round into the shotgun. Williams then fired the round into the security monitor. Williams then chambered a second round and fired the round into Owens' back as he lay face down on the floor of the storage room. Williams then fired again into Owens' back. Later that same day, Williams bragged to his brother Wayne about killing Owens. Williams said, "you should have heard the way he sounded when I shot him." Williams then made gurgling or growling noises and laughed hysterically about Owens' death." 2) Yen-I Yang 3) Tsai-Shai Yang 4) Yee-Chen Lin Stanley 'Tookie' Williams murdered three members of the Yang family at their motel in Los Angeles... Williams entered the Brookhaven Motel... After entering the public lobby area, Williams broke down the door that led to the private office. Once inside the private office, Williams, using his shotgun, killed seventy-six year old Yen-I Yang; Williams also killed Yang's wife, sixty-three year old Tsai-Shai Yang; lastly, Williams killed Yang's daughter, forty-three year old Yee-Chen Lin. Williams then removed the currency from the cash register and fled the location. Robert Yang was asleep with his wife in their bedroom at the Brookhaven Motel when he was awakened by the sound of somebody breaking down the door to the motel's office. This sound was immediately followed by the sound of his mother or sister screaming, followed by gun shots. When Robert entered the motel office he found his mother, his sister, and his father had all been shot. It was later determined that the robbery of the Brookhaven Motel and the murder of the three members of the Yang family netted Stanley Williams approximately $100. As police arrived, they saw Yen-I Yang lying on a sofa. He was "soaked with blood," "gasping for air, and making gurgling noises." They also saw the bloodied body of Tsai-Shai Yang. She was making "gurgling noises" and "gasping for air," with "her knees drawn up under her, and her face down on the floor," as if she had been forced to bow down before being killed. Lastly, the deputies found the body of Yee-Chen Lin lying on the hallway floor. According to the forensic pathologist, Yen-I Yang suffered two shotgun wounds. One shotgun wound was to his left arm and abdomen. This wound shredded Yen-I's left arm, fractured his ribs, and shattered his spleen, right kidney, bowel and large vessels. The other shotgun wound was to the lower left chest. This wound also fractured ribs and shattered the spleen, right kidney, bowel and large vessels. The pathologist explained that both of the Yen-I Yang's wounds were inflicted when the end of the muzzle was only feet from Yen-I's body. Yee-Chen Lin was shot once in the upper left face area at a distance of a few feet. Tsai-Shai was shot twice at close range. The pathologist explained that one shotgun wound was to the coccyx or tail bone. Based on the physical characteristics of the wound and the fact that wadding, along with the plastic shot container, were recovered just beneath the skin of this wound, the muzzle of the gun must have been just inches from her body when she was shot and killed. The other shotgun wound was to the anterior abdomen with the charge entering at the naval. At trial, the pathologist testified that the muzzle of the gun was a few feet from Tsai-Shai's body when the shot that caused this wound was fired. Enjoy the attached photos of your hero's handiwork. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #128 December 13, 2005 looks like they were asking for it________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #129 December 13, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteHumans are humans. sociopaths are humans. No, they aren't. They lack the essential qualities of a human being. What, like 23 pairs of chromosomal goodness? Bipedal locomotion? Jeepers creepers, RL, you're frightening me here. I'm frightening you because you have human empathy and compassion, and both qualities cause us to shy away from such ideas, because they seem heartless. My life began with personality-disordered people. I spent a long lot of years thinking that such people are normal, because that's what I thought normal looked like. To survive, I had to learn to understand them, as well as to avoid them. Don't think that it doesn't wring me out emotionally, because when I look at one, I still see a human being, in spite of all that I know. We threw a guy out of the house last night, into the cold, for some very good reasons. He reacted in the way I've come to expect of people like him. I felt sick about it, and I had to keep reminding myself of all that he had done and all that he would do if we reopened the door. I worked for a lawyer who handled death penalty cases here in Florida. One of his clients tortured and killed an old lady in the course of a robbery, and he was looking at the needle. I liked the guy. It drove me crazy, because he was guilty, but I liked him. If you didn't know what he had done, he was a perfectly likable guy. Charm and the pretense of empathy are the hallmarks of the sociopath's protective coloration. Scratch the surface, oppose them, and see what comes out. I'm pro-choice because I believe every individual has the sole control of her own body. And still, I think that abortions are wasteful, because of the potential that is lost. The other side, however, is that I'd like to see a little more culling when that potential isn't realized. If a child grows up to be less than human, why waste resources to maintain an existence that is damaging to everything and everyone he touches? What defines humanity? The ability to empathize with one's fellow man. Sociopaths do not have the capacity for empathy. And empathizing with a sociopath does nothing for a human being but cost, cost and cost. It's a constant drain, and when they use one person up, they go on to the next. If the aren't body killers, they are mind and spirit killers. I read somewhere recently that sociopaths currently comprise 4% of the population, and I find that terrifying, because although they're not all killers, the potential to do untold damage is always just beneath the surface. You can rest safe in the knowledge, Suds, that I'm not running the world, and you're on the other side of the country, and I don't think you're a sociopath anyway. But I will never believe that keeping alive those who do nothing but cause harm to other people is anything but a useless and dangerous enterprise. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #130 December 13, 2005 QuoteJeepers creepers, RL, you're frightening me here. Here's what frightens me. I posted these links in another thread about the death penalty. I'm going to post them again. I think it was LawRocket who posted earlier that we need to fix the system. And we do, because we have put to death innocent people, and I don't think that anything--even my horror of sociopaths running loose--is adequate to justify that. Centurion Ministries The primary mission of Centurion Ministries is to vindicate and free from prison those who are completely innocent of the crimes for which they have been unjustly convicted and imprisoned for life or death. We also assist our clients, once they are freed, with reintegration into society on a self-reliant basis. If we can vindicate the wrongly convicted, then there was no good reason to convict them in the first place. The legal system needs an overhaul, as do our law enforcement agencies. Today, the whole thing is nothing more than a game, lawyers vs. cops, and they play to win, whether it is just or not. The Innocence Project The Innocence Project at the Benjamin N. Cardozo School of Law at Yeshiva University, founded by Barry C. Scheck and Peter J. Neufeld in 1992, is a non-profit legal clinic and criminal justice resource center. We work to exonerate the wrongfully convicted through postconviction DNA testing; and develop and implement reforms to prevent wrongful convictions. This Project only handles cases where postconviction DNA testing can yield conclusive proof of innocence. For more information regarding what we do and what kinds of cases we handle, please click on the Innocence Project tab or visit our FAQ page. Same as above. And finally: Wrongfully Convicted: The Webpage of Edmund S. Higgins, MD In 1997 I began compiling a database of wrongfully incarcerated people who have been arrested and/or convicted of a crime and later proven innocent. This database now contains 360 people who were innocent, yet convicted of a crime - many were sentenced to death. This'll really knock your socks off. It makes me gag. I don't want innocent men put to death. I do want the guilty put to death. I want us to stop wasting time and resources for the personal gratification of lawyers, prosecutors and cops, and get down to cleaning up what can't be fixed. It can be done, but it won't be done. We'll ride this fucking merry-go-round forever. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #131 December 14, 2005 QuoteI'll elaborate next time we sit around the campfire sometime. Sure, but I'd rather discuss more interesting topics like balloon jumps, boogies, babes and beers Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #132 December 14, 2005 QuoteTo survive, I had to learn to understand them, as well as to avoid them. Don't think that it doesn't wring me out emotionally, because when I look at one, I still see a human being, in spite of all that I know. You know, much of your argument stings of prejudice. Deeply rooted, bugger-all-if-my-life-wasn't-completely-fucked-by-them prejudice. I've heard similar things from those who grew up in neighborhoods bordering those of niggers. And fags. The world's not binary, babe. There's no magic switch, no clear line where you're safe on one side and sociopathic on the other. There are gradations, colors, dimensions. There are people on this board with whom I'm sure you'd enjoy interacting on almost every level. Put them in a specific situation, though, and they may react in such a way that would make your flesh crawl, remind you of every moment of misanthropic pain you've ever felt. Indeed, you may even, then, consider them as less-than-human at that point, not worthy of the resources they consume, much less being kept alive. But I tell you this, RL: for every such person across whom you might come, there are those who very well may think the same about you. There's nothing against you in my saying this; it's all about subjectivity. Subjectivity. Bite in the ass. Different perspectives. Different interpretations. Different beliefs. Add to that a dash of the unknown. Don't just call me pessimist; try and read between the lines: do we really know everything about everything at this point? Wasn't there a time not too long ago that the home of the tuberculosis patient was a sanitarium? Who is to say that the sociopath is absolutely untreatable? Why in the hell are there so many very smart, diligent people pursuing exactly that right at this moment? Who is to say that what may seem like sociopathy in one light may not be the expression of other issues from another? Whose right is it to say that a sociopath isn't worth the air they breathe? Fuck all, I know I have my issues, and I'm humble enough to say I don't have a fucking leg to stand on there. Shall we then extend the thorny branch to those afflicted with Down Syndrome, as well? I mean, fuck, how many of them end up productive in society versus those who consume and kick and scream and claw their ways through life? Fuck one, fuck all, right? Wrong. The very reason why we react to murder so harshly is because life is so very precious to most of us. To many, it is a divine gift. To others, it's simply something we just don't take away from others, like a cigarette or a piece of chicken off the plate, by virtue of its precious nature. Until, that is, we're incited enough to overlook it. When someone takes the toy we were playing with on the park playground, we throw sand in their eyes. When our biology teacher makes us feel like shit in front of everyone in the class, we vandalize their property. When someone really pisses us off on a phone call, we scream, "FUCK YOU!" and hang up on them. When someone says something hurtful about one of our late friends, we punch them in the mouth. I really thought at some point we'd grow the fuck up. EDIT: spuhlin. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Lindsey 0 #133 December 14, 2005 You're right on the money about sociopaths. I have no doubt that Tookie Williams is no better person than he was the day he killed the people whose deaths he was sentenced to die for. He has put his best foot forward, but he's someone who would do whatever he needed to do to achieve his desired result. Because he doesn't feel does not mean he can't think....and manipulate. I still don't necessarily want people like him dead. Instead I'm pretty much indifferent to what happens to him. If it in some way helps the people who loved the people he killed to see him die, then his death is warranted, imho. I don't see that there's really anything wrong with their needs (however psychologically "unhealth" they are) being considered in such a person's punishment. I do wish we wouldn't sentence people to death, though, (or to prison for that matter) without better proof of their guilt. The fact that we're able to use DNA evidence helps. I hope that our improving technology will help tighten things up.... linz-- A conservative is just a liberal who's been mugged. A liberal is just a conservative who's been to jail Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #134 December 14, 2005 Quote 3 - I don't think you see my position. It's this "the current death penalty process is ineffective - either fix it or do away with it." I think fixing it composes: quick execution after sentencing, stricter guidlines for qualifying for the death penalty (to minimize mistakes), taking that sentence out of the hands of juries which can be very emotional and thus inconsistent from case to case. I don't think we can fix it, there's too much emotion and not enough practicality. So, though I see a very strong reason to have a death penalty, I don't see a way to implement it to realize a responsible use of it. Rehmwa- There's a real problem with the system if people who support the idea of state-sanctioned killing are calling for reforms. If we can't implement a system with such an absolute, final, and irreversable result either perfectly or with a very minute margin for error, we shouldn't have the system at all. Over 100 people released from death row upon the overturning of their convictions due to new evidence or major flaws in their trials tell me that the system is irreparibly flawed. The governor of Illinois came to the same conclusion when he granted clemency to every death row prisoner. His statement to the press included: "Because the Illinois death penalty system is arbitrary and capricious - and therefore immoral - I no longer shall tinker with the machinery of death." JohnRich - I never called Tookie Williams a hero. I don't think he is, and I am aware that he did terrible things in the past. However, I do think he would have, at this point in his life, been more useful to society alive than dead, given his anti-gang work. I also think that, whether he is guilty or not, his execution represents the continuing of a system that causes the execution of innocent people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #135 December 14, 2005 by the way.... is Hollywood burning yet? has Spagos been reduced to rubble? how about Tattoo Mania on the strip? i got a tattoo done there once ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #136 December 14, 2005 It is kind of interesting that I find myself in agreement with a dirty scumsucking lawyer. I think it must have something to do with that idea of due process and controlling the powers of a government that we hold dear. The Distinguished Senator Blutarky has been mind-screwed due to law school, practice, etc. We now actually believe that there is injustice out there, and would rather see 100 living murderers than one executed innocent. That's the thing with technology, though. What was once beyond a reasonable doubt is no longer. You could prove a murder without detailed forensics in the past. Not any more... My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #137 December 14, 2005 Quotehas Spagos been reduced to rubble? I just called Spago (yes, stored in my mobile... how stereotypically pretentious Californian is that?), and they said everything's OK. Oh, and tonight's lamb dish sounds heavenly. What to do, what to do... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
genoyamamoto 0 #138 December 14, 2005 QuoteHowever, I do think he would have, at this point in his life, been more useful to society alive than dead, given his anti-gang work. There are countless books out there written by authors long dead that continue to have a profound impact on peoples lives. Therefore I find the argument that he is more useful alive than dead questionable at best. Gotta go... plaything needs to spank me Feel the hate... Photos here Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #139 December 14, 2005 QuoteQuotehas Spagos been reduced to rubble? I just called Spago (yes, stored in my mobile... how stereotypically pretentious Californian is that?), and they said everything's OK. Oh, and tonight's lamb dish sounds heavenly. What to do, what to do... oh, like thats sooo cool i wish i had a bunch of numbers in my phonelike you, thats like sooooo cool its hot, respec________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #140 December 14, 2005 QuoteI do think he would have, at this point in his life, been more useful to society alive than dead, given his anti-gang work. Give a person 26 years to try to do some good things when circumstances prevent the doing of bad and a nice list will ensue. You know, Ted Bundy volunteered to try to help solve some murders, like the Green River Murders. He hadn't killed any hot brunette chicks in years when he was executed. I really hate this line of questioning. Punishment is based on the past bad acts, and not on future good deeds. Quote also think that, whether he is guilty or not, his execution represents the continuing of a system that causes the execution of innocent people. Isn't that argument good enough? Yeah, innocent people have been executed. Why not just look at it like that? Few people would go out on a limb to say that the slaying of an innocent person is ever justified. Hell, it's the argument that I use, and I haven't heard anybody reply that the execution is justified, except for, "You'd let a hundred murderers live instead of killing one innocent?" I'd just say,"Yep. The benefit of the punishment is far outweighed by the horror of the situation wherein an innocent person is killed." My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #141 December 14, 2005 QuoteIt is kind of interesting that I find myself in agreement with a dirty scumsucking lawyer. How do you know my hygenic and dietary practices so well? You were guessing Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
lawrocket 3 #142 December 14, 2005 Quote QuoteIt is kind of interesting that I find myself in agreement with a dirty scumsucking lawyer. How do you know my hygenic and dietary practices so well? You were guessing Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! I went off of your avatar. Ever heard of shampoo? How you ever landed a hottie like Mandy just stuns the hell outta me. Then again, I'm an ugly SOB and I landed a hot gal, too. My wife is hotter than your wife. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #143 December 14, 2005 QuoteHow you ever landed a hottie like Mandy just stuns the hell outta me. Dude, it's sloppy thirds after Greg and Eric. C'mon!!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Nightingale 0 #144 December 14, 2005 Lindsey - Many families of victims have asked prosecutors not to seek the death penalty, mainly because if the accused gets life in prison, the legal drama ends there, or typically after one or two appeals. With the death penalty, they go through hearing after hearing and appeal after appeal and never really get the chance to move on until decades later. From the Baltimore Sun: After consulting with the family of the murder victim, Maryland prosecutors decided not to seek the death penalty against Kenneth Collins during a recent resentencing hearing. Collins' death sentence was overturned because of an inadequate defense at his originial trial. Margaret Breeden, the victim's widow, noted that seeking the death penalty for Collins would result in years of agonizing appeals and that her family is "tired of reliving the memories of his death every time a new hearing is scheduled." The prosecutor, Stephen Bailey, noted that the Breeden family is among a growing number of victims' families who have dropped their pursuit of a death sentence. "Fewer people, though very supportive of the death penalty, are willing to put themselves through a process that many of them see as never ending and not necessarily guaranteeing the results that the system promises," Bailey stated. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #145 December 14, 2005 QuoteQuote QuoteIt is kind of interesting that I find myself in agreement with a dirty scumsucking lawyer. How do you know my hygenic and dietary practices so well? You were guessing Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! I went off of your avatar. Ever heard of shampoo? How you ever landed a hottie like Mandy just stuns the hell outta me. Then again, I'm an ugly SOB and I landed a hot gal, too. yes, money was invented so ugly people could get laid too________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #146 December 14, 2005 QuoteThere are people on this board with whom I'm sure you'd enjoy interacting on almost every level. Put them in a specific situation, though, and they may react in such a way that would make your flesh crawl, remind you of every moment of misanthropic pain you've ever felt. Indeed, you may even, then, consider them as less-than-human at that point, not worthy of the resources they consume, much less being kept alive. Sociopathy is not about an ingrained reaction to a specific situation, Sudsy. It's about ingrained patterns of behavior. And all of those patterns are human behaviors, taken to the extreme. Don't turn what I wrote into what it is not. I know plenty of situationally-pathological people, and I know where my own pathologies lie. We're all fucked up, some of us more than others. But being fucked-up is not the same as being sociopathic, and it isn't the same as being totally without the capacity for empathy. QuoteBut I tell you this, RL: for every such person across whom you might come, there are those who very well may think the same about you. There's nothing against you in my saying this; it's all about subjectivity. The point is, it's not subjective. The criteria are objective. There may be hope for the narcissistic personality, the borderline personality, the schizoid, the histrionic, et al., and such people do seem to improve with age, especially with targeted therapy. The only cure for sociopathy is prevention, except that there are sociopaths that grew up in perfectly normal households, and there are people who grew up in hellholes who are not sociopaths, so it's not entirely environmental. Sociopathy is not about behaving badly. I may not want to be around people who behave badly, but that doesn't mean that they're sociopathic. I'm not even saying that all killers are sociopathic, because they're not. I am saying that sociopaths are a blight on humanity, and they need to be eradicated. I don't know how Down's Syndrome got into the discussion, but just IMO, anyone who would kill a child or adult with Down's lacks empathy. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #147 December 14, 2005 QuoteBot - that's one of the most courteous posts I've ever seen you write. Thanks. Sorry i had a few beers, it will not happen again. Quote1 - If you think prison is cost effective, then I want you running the prisons so we can make money off of it. Well, the prison is not cost effective now, but it could be. There will be some people who will be against hard labour, but many many less than there is now currently against death penalty. Quote2 - From your statements about 'paying for the crime', 'paying the victims with his work', etc - You are definitely confusing revenge/punishment/retribution with purpose of removing a threat from the rest of society. A lot of fondness here for 'compensation' that I think is not pertinent at all. Removing the threat from society is acomplished by imprisonning the convict for life, in a maximun security jail. Maximum security jails cost a great deal of money, that is why the convict will be earning money by doing hard labour, to pay for the expenses the government has because of him. He pays, not the tax-payer. The retribution to the victim is just away to try to undo the wrong (not possible most of the times) and to stop the government from making profit from a convict. That should keep the government fairly objetive when it comes to convicting and making laws. Quote3 - I don't think you see my position. It's this "the current death penalty process is ineffective - either fix it or do away with it." I think fixing it composes: quick execution after sentencing, stricter guidlines for qualifying for the death penalty (to minimize mistakes), taking that sentence out of the hands of juries which can be very emotional and thus inconsistent from case to case. Just some notes. Quick executions would have killed innocent people that nowadays are alive because they were wrongly accused, although i agree that executing someone 16 years later is stupid. Regarding stricter guidelines and taking out juries, i fully agree, but you should just take out judges as well. Since in the U.S a judge can get involved in politics (in Spain they cannot), many of them can have a conflict of interest beetwen his career as a judge and his career as a politicion. QuoteI don't think we can fix it, there's too much emotion and not enough practicality. So, though I see a very strong reason to have a death penalty, I don't see a way to implement it to realize a responsible use of it. Exactly. We both agree that some crimes deserve death penalty or worse. The thing is that while there is the risk to execute innocent people, we shouldn´t be advocating for non reversible punishments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #148 December 14, 2005 QuoteQuoteThere are people on this board with whom I'm sure you'd enjoy interacting on almost every level. Put them in a specific situation, though, and they may react in such a way that would make your flesh crawl, remind you of every moment of misanthropic pain you've ever felt. Indeed, you may even, then, consider them as less-than-human at that point, not worthy of the resources they consume, much less being kept alive. Sociopathy is not about an ingrained reaction to a specific situation, Sudsy. It's about ingrained patterns of behavior. And all of those patterns are human behaviors, taken to the extreme. Don't turn what I wrote into what it is not. I know plenty of situationally-pathological people, and I know where my own pathologies lie. We're all fucked up, some of us more than others. But being fucked-up is not the same as being sociopathic, and it isn't the same as being totally without the capacity for empathy. QuoteBut I tell you this, RL: for every such person across whom you might come, there are those who very well may think the same about you. There's nothing against you in my saying this; it's all about subjectivity. The point is, it's not subjective. The criteria are objective. There may be hope for the narcissistic personality, the borderline personality, the schizoid, the histrionic, et al., and such people do seem to improve with age, especially with targeted therapy. The only cure for sociopathy is prevention, except that there are sociopaths that grew up in perfectly normal households, and there are people who grew up in hellholes who are not sociopaths, so it's not entirely environmental. Sociopathy is not about behaving badly. I may not want to be around people who behave badly, but that doesn't mean that they're sociopathic. I'm not even saying that all killers are sociopathic, because they're not. I am saying that sociopaths are a blight on humanity, and they need to be eradicated. I don't know how Down's Syndrome got into the discussion, but just IMO, anyone who would kill a child or adult with Down's lacks empathy. rl you sound like you have a chip on your shoulder about your early life, let it go and stop analysing________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #149 December 14, 2005 QuoteThe point is, it's not subjective. The criteria are objective. By whose absolute measure? The Earth as the center of the universe was considered quite objective at its time. And psychology is a far less exact science than physics or astronomy. QuoteI am saying that sociopaths are a blight on humanity, and they need to be eradicated. The same was said about the Jews. And the Armenians. And the Tutsis. I'm sorry for whatever you went through in life to which you reacted with such strong feelings against other human beings, RL. I truly hope you can heal and be free once and for all from those heavy, confining shackles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
RhondaLea 4 #150 December 14, 2005 QuoteYou know, much of your argument stings of prejudice. Deeply rooted, bugger-all-if-my-life-wasn't-completely-fucked-by-them prejudice. I've heard similar things from those who grew up in neighborhoods bordering those of niggers. And fags. Addendum: My life is what it is. I wouldn't change any of the bad, because there has been too much good, and I would not choose to have missed any of it. And I would not choose to be anyone except who I am. To say that I have a prejudice against sociopaths, however, is entirely accurate. If you want to liken that to racial and sexual prejudices, you can feel free to do so, but it doesn't make much sense to me. The latter is not rational. The former is a matter of self-preservation. Niggers and fags [sic] aren't hurting anyone by the mere fact of their existence. Sociopaths hurt everyone they touch. Big difference, Steve. I'm sorry you don't see it. rlIf you don't know where you're going, you should know where you came from. Gullah Proverb Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites