SpeedRacer 1 #1 December 9, 2005 I keep seeing things on the Internet that say the USA "created" Saddam Hussein, ie, brought him to power back in 1968. Can anyone point me to some source for this? not disputing it, I just don't have the original info. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
likearock 2 #2 December 9, 2005 QuoteI keep seeing things on the Internet that say the USA "created" Saddam Hussein, ie, brought him to power back in 1968. Can anyone point me to some source for this? not disputing it, I just don't have the original info. Wikipedia is your friend. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #3 December 9, 2005 I've read that article and others. I still can't seem to find any article (other than opinion articles & odd posts on the internet) that says that the USA was involved with "creating" Saddam Hussein or putting him into power over Iraq. Of Course, everyone knows the USA (along with many other countries, especially Sunni Arab countries) supported him in the war against the Ayatollah in 1980, but Saddam had been in power years before then. where is this stuff coming from? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #4 December 9, 2005 QuoteI've read that article and others. I still can't seem to find any article (other than opinion articles & odd posts on the internet) that says that the USA was involved with "creating" Saddam Hussein or putting him into power over Iraq. Of Course, everyone knows the USA (along with many other countries, especially Sunni Arab countries) supported him in the war against the Ayatollah in 1979, but Saddam had been in power years before then. where is this stuff coming from? Are you sure you're not thinking of the CIA's involvement in overthrowing the Iranian government in 1953? The Shah was definitely the USA's creation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #5 December 9, 2005 No, I was talking about Saddam I keep seeing posts on BBC website & others from people who state that Saddam Hussein was "created" & placed in power by the USA. A lot of people seem to believe this. I'm wondering where it came from. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #6 December 9, 2005 Google returns a number of hits.... Here's one .. clicky - Cleary I cann't vouch for the accuracy (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #7 December 9, 2005 even if every word of the article is true, it's a pretty big stretch to say that the USA created Saddam or installed him in power. Seems to me that Saddam installed himself in power. Saddam later did the EXACT same thing that Stalin had done years before: Made himself in charge of internal security. Years before becoming President of Iraq, he was already in charge of defining who was a threat to the regime. (Stalin did EXACTLY the same thing when Lenin was still alive) and it seems to me that a regime that was under the thumb of the USA would not have signed a friendship pact with the USSR in 1972, in which the USSR would agree to supply Iraq with arms. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #8 December 9, 2005 I think that I know what you mean.... but so much happens in global politics that never gets out to the public.... or without spin.. Look how difficult it is to get at the truth of events that happened in the past few months. The problem is multiplied several times over when we try to get at the facts from the 70's (in this case). (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #9 December 9, 2005 Nevertheless, it seems to me that there are people who, on many issues both positive & negative, seem to automatically believe that everything in the world revolves around, and is caused by, the USA. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #10 December 9, 2005 QuoteNevertheless, it seems to me that there are people who, on many issues both positive & negative, seem to automatically believe that everything in the world revolves around, and is caused by, the USA. they are called Europeans ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #11 December 9, 2005 In other areas, they are also called Americans. Such as those who think the USA won WWII single-handed. It goes both ways. The point is that people seem to view America's activities with a magnifying glass. There are plenty of examples of this, both positive & negative for America. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #12 December 9, 2005 QuoteIn other areas, they are also called Americans. Such as those who think the USA won WWII single-handed. It goes both ways. The point is that people seem to view America's activities with a magnifying glass. There are plenty of examples of this, both positive & negative for America. Yup, but my response was more fun because it was more glib. Actually, WWII was won singlehandedly by a young Belgian woman name Harvey. It's a long story and involves two ducks and a can of SPAM. I'll send a link. Edit: She wasn't really pretty, but it's said she had a nice personality and decent legs. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #13 December 9, 2005 Well, you dont need to go too far back in history to see that the U.K (for one) were similarly blamed... So, was that truth or propoganda..... I would bet on a portion of both....Oh and the US clearly isn'y guilty of all of the ills in the world but it would be nieve to believe that it's all make believe. (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
chuckbrown 0 #14 December 9, 2005 IIRC, Saddam was not "created" by the US. He rose to power by killing his political rivals without any assistance from the US. The notion that the US "created" Saddam probably comes from the fact that the US provided support to him during the Iran-Iraq War 1980-1988. At the time any enemy of Iran was our friend. Of course he repaid us by putting a missile into the USS Stark, killing some 40 sailors. One could also say that the US "created" Saddam again in 1990 by our inept diplomatic handling of his interest in Kuwait. He basically told us he would be invading, and when we didn't say anything to dissuade him, he did invade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #15 December 9, 2005 There is evidence the US created a clone of Saddam Hussein in a secret underground laboratory. Possibly in Area 51. The facts speak for themselves. Saddam Hussein was a close friend of George Bush Sr., had a multi-million dollar joint account with him in BCCI at the time of the first Gulf War. Their families also have a close business relationship, just like Bin Laden. Clones have been around since Hitler’s time and all US Presidents since Jimmy Carter have been cloned, as well as important personages …. such as Billy Graham. There are always THREE U.S. presidents - this explains the unusually large entourage that accompanies the President on his trips. If you think back to the time Bush Sr. was at a dinner in Tokyo and "collapsed" …. he was actually taken out by a Russian particle beam weapon. He returned to the room some 10 minutes later: how many sharp-eyed witnesses noticed that the new George Bush had FRECKLES???? With clones there is always some slight deviation in facial characteristics, and we saw many of these when Bush Senior was in office. We also know that there are vast cloned armies in underground bases throughout North America. This is alarming information, but we are reminded that clones also can receive souls and choose to serve different masters. There was a report some time ago that Saddam had gone to Switzerland for plastic surgery, so that he could continue his life elsewhere undisturbed in his new ‘guise’. There was also a report by Iraqis that trucks were seen loading tonnes of gold from the (Central?) bank in Iraq, and that Saddam flew out under U.S. protection in a flight of 5 US cargo planes, destination unknown ……… You really think that he would be sitting alone, unshaven, unprotected in a rathole …… would you like to buy London Bridge??? You really think thats Saddam Hussein on trial? This is timely political deception, when Bush needs the maximum possible boost for his image. This is possibly his Last Hurrah! Government scientists are feverously working on a Bin Laden clone who will be "found" in Afghanistan or Pakistan the next time Bush needs a bump in his poll numbers. I am working on a story now that will prove that after WW2, ex-Hitler scientists working in conjunction with the CIA, made GWB. Thats right. GWB may very well be a clone. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 December 9, 2005 QuoteThats right. GWB may very well be a clone. Clinton was a clone first, though. So it's all right. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #17 December 9, 2005 Hi Speedy, have a look through: http://www.joric.com/saddam/ It's quite weighty & lengthy but it does hit on the "Ba'thism or Communism" dilemma faced by The US at the time. Tscheuss, Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #18 December 9, 2005 eaglenrider, WTF are you doing on Gravitymaster's account? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Sen.Blutarsky 0 #19 December 9, 2005 QuoteGovernment scientists are feverously working on a Bin Laden clone who will be "found" in Afghanistan or Pakistan Excellent news! Following a general trial we can enjoy the distinct pleasure of recloning and executing the fucking bastard ad infinitum. I applaud such use of my tax dollars. Blutarsky 2008. No Prisoners! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,175 #20 December 10, 2005 QuoteQuoteThats right. GWB may very well be a clone. Clinton was a clone first, though. So it's all right. And Clinton's clone was WORSE.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
