Rookie120 0 #51 December 7, 2005 Quote But no real threat existed and therefore a man died for no good reason. There is no blame on the cop (again). But there WAS NO threat. No threat? A man running and yelling I have a bomb and reaching into a bag is not a threat? What would be a threat in your mind? When or if he blew up? Would the cop be justified in shooting then?If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #52 December 7, 2005 One more time...sigh...I agree that the cop did what he should and what he's there for. I just think it's a damn shame that we are so on edge that we have to immediately shoot people that we perceive as threats because there's a good chance they are an actual threat. And I clearly blamed the terrorists for that in my first post. We need to recognize, though, that part of the damage they inflicted on us is the fact that we have to be more aggressive and therefore may kill those that don't really need killing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #53 December 7, 2005 I don't know how else to say it. I NEVER BLAMED THE FUCKING COP. DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO READ? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #54 December 7, 2005 QuoteI don't know how else to say it. I NEVER BLAMED THE FUCKING COP. DO YOU PEOPLE KNOW HOW TO READ? I got what you are jamming on home skillet.Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rebecca 0 #55 December 7, 2005 But this wasn't a case of "being on edge", it was a case of training in effect, that training being "shoot to kill" - NOT "shoot to maim", "shoot to make him dance", or "shoot the bag out of his hand" I don't care what the political climate is -if you have a bag that you SAY has a bomb, and I have a gun - well, I'm gonna take your word for it and defend myself... EDIT: I know you're not blaming the cop, just lamenting that a guy had to die. I was just pointing out that he was dead when he didn't drop the bag because the marshals were trained that way. It coud have gone down WAY differently if he had dropped the bag,... you've got to ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel loquacious?' -- well do you, punk? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ViperPilot 0 #56 December 7, 2005 Here's the problem, you want it both ways. First, you want the cops to act so that people are kept safe, yet you don't want anyone to be shot unless 100% proven they are a threat to others. It's one or the other, and unfortunately the latter one almost guarantees death for many. Guess you could think of it as the lesser of two evils if you want. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #57 December 7, 2005 QuoteI just think it's a damn shame that we are so on edge that we have to immediately shoot people that we perceive as threats because there's a good chance they are an actual threat. Does that sentence really make sense to you? I think it's great that we are immediately shooting people we perceive as threats because there's a good chance they are an actual threat. That's what I hope they've always been getting paid to do (e.g. "their job"). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #58 December 7, 2005 God damn...I'll try a little harder to overcome the lack of reading comprehension. The cop did the right thing. I would do the same thing the cop did. I just think it's a shame that someone lost their life who wasn't really trying to blow anyone up...was just nutty. Can't I feel bad for someone getting killed without being critical of anyone? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GTAVercetti 0 #59 December 7, 2005 What the hell is wrong with everyone one? From what I can see, Rebirth is saying that is sucks that terrorism has us so wound up that this happens. It sucks that a man's life was lost. He is not blaming the cop nor does he say that the cop should have done anything different. And neither am I. Jesus. Damn -- after you posted Rebirth. Oh well, I will keep the post in for emphasis. Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,116 #60 December 7, 2005 Can we get to 100 posts before we know any of the details? Get on the gun, people! If we don't post a little faster, our conclusions about his intelligence, guilt, victimhood and/or threat level may be eclipsed by what actually happened. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #61 December 7, 2005 i still think we should kill all the arabs________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tbrown 26 #62 December 7, 2005 QuoteThe guy said he had a bomb in his bag, then reached into the bag. I don't care if he was joking or not, the cop did the right thing. Same situation if I said I had a gun in a bank, then reached inside my coat...any person with balls would do something at that point, and shooting me wouldn't be a wrong decision. Inaction gets people killed, action saves lives. Let's not forget that it's only been a few days now since some guy blew himself up at the entrance to a mall in Israel. The cops had spotted him too and were moving in on him when he detonated the thing and killed a lot of people. The cops were within their rights to shoot him too, but under the circumstances (so many shoppers surrounding them) they chose not to because they didn't want to shoot a bystander. The cops in Israel are pretty torn up now about NOT having shot the guy, and you can bet a buck or two that these guys had the Israeli bombing on their minds. Too bad the guy was nutty, good thing there was no bomb, too bad he's dead, but the Marshals made the right call & Merry Xmas to all... Your humble servant.....Professor Gravity ! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #63 December 7, 2005 QuoteToo bad the guy was nutty, good thing there was no bomb, too bad he's dead, but the Marshals made the right call That's about all I was trying to say...thanks. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,588 #64 December 7, 2005 QuoteIs your prurient curiousity satisfied? Sometimes I love you, Michele Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pop 0 #65 December 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuotehey, you can't take a chance can you... better to shoot somebody dead who even looks suspicious i say Infact, lets just shoot all arabs at airports, better safe than sorry He threatened that he had a bomb on a plane. He wasn't just making a joke about his ethnicity. I would have shot him no matter where he came from if he said that. They can't afford to take chances anymore. Maybe others like him will think twice now about catching a case of the dumbass while at the airport or in an airplane. you genuinly believe somebody deserves to die for cracking a joke ? Yes an no. In most situation...absolutly not. But at the airport you shoulnt be a dumbass. You know the rules when you go there.7 ounce wonders, music and dogs that are not into beer Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #66 December 7, 2005 QuoteIs your prurient curiousity satisfied? LOL yes thanks ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #67 December 7, 2005 From the number of people (and the attendant publicity) who have been arrested, wrestled to the ground, and otherwise treated "energetically" due to their misplaced sense of humour, this incident was inevitable - waiting to happen. 99.99% of passengers know better than to make such jokes because they KNOW that statements which may seem amusing are treated seriously. The bare facts are: Man claims possession of a bomb in his case. Man attempts to board aircraft. Man refuses to stop when challenged. Man reaches inside case (where bomb is supposed to be). Air marshall shoots to stop! In a lot of ways this reminds me of the Gibraltar Incident where the SAS took out an IRA group believed to have bombs ("Death on The Rock") and were criticised for unloading on their "victims" - repeatedly shooting them even though they were down and apparently dead. Hindsight makes it appear an overreaction, but for the officer on the spot and at the time with the absolute requirement to STOP the incident there & then.... There really aren't any winners in this. Death by misadventure. Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
AndyMan 7 #68 December 7, 2005 Quote Of course....it's the cops fault he wasn't on his medication or that he couldn't get to it. Unbelievable! Laugh I never said anything about fault. Anytime a mentally ill person gets killed, it's tragic on many levels. It really is that simple. Both the wife of the man, and the air marshal have my sympathies. Given his training, I'm sure he did exactly what he was suposed to do. Municipal police forces get special training on identifying and handling the mentally ill. Perhaps the Air Marshals should get that training, too.__ You put the fun in "funnel" - craichead. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #69 December 7, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteQuotehey, you can't take a chance can you... better to shoot somebody dead who even looks suspicious i say Infact, lets just shoot all arabs at airports, better safe than sorry He threatened that he had a bomb on a plane. He wasn't just making a joke about his ethnicity. I would have shot him no matter where he came from if he said that. They can't afford to take chances anymore. Maybe others like him will think twice now about catching a case of the dumbass while at the airport or in an airplane. you genuinly believe somebody deserves to die for cracking a joke ? Yes an no. In most situation...absolutly not. But at the airport you shoulnt be a dumbass. You know the rules when you go there. i think some people wish I was at an airport sometimes ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #70 December 7, 2005 Quotei think some people wish I was at an airport sometimes If you ever need a ride.... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #71 December 7, 2005 Quotei think some people wish I was at an airport sometimes Only if you also screamed, "Hey motherfuckers, I've got a bomb and I'm going to kill all of you......Bonzai!!!!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
christelsabine 1 #72 December 7, 2005 QuoteQuotei think some people wish I was at an airport sometimes If you ever need a ride.... I always thaught, the "artist...and-something" is weird-- you're much better! Hahahaha dudeist skydiver # 3105 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #73 December 7, 2005 QuoteQuotei think some people wish I was at an airport sometimes Only if you also screamed, "Hey motherfuckers, I've got a bomb and I'm going to kill all of you......Bonzai!!!!" why would i tell them i've got a minature japenese tree? i could alternatively shout banzaiiiii ________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
miked10270 0 #74 December 7, 2005 Quotei still think we should kill all the arabs Actually -NO! [Homour] There's actually a sure way to detect militant Islamists (as developed by the US Government's recent "research" in Gitmo & Afghanistan). What you do is erect a miniature US Govt. Torture Facility at each airport. Y'All know... Those places where they take suspect terrorists and torture them with LapDancers, Alcohol & Loose Women. You drag all passengers in there, torture them as described for 20 minutes, then give them the opportunity to leave. If they leave before the PA announces final call, names them and says that their luggage is being off-loaded, then shoot them![/Humour] It strikes me as a simple way to identify terrorists, boost air travel, make even 48 hour airline delays a cause of celebration rather than complaint.... The list goes on & on & on &... Mike. Taking the piss out of the FrenchAmericans since before it was fashionable. Prenait la pisse hors du FrançaisCanadiens méridionaux puisqu'avant lui à la mode. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #75 December 7, 2005 Quotewhy would i tell them i've got a minature japenese tree? i could alternatively shout banzaiiiii Whoops! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
