The "Liers" Lies Are Starting To Work!

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John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi calling for immediate withdrawl from Iraq

Cite one source where they are quoted saying that. In fact...Pelosi voted AGAINST immediate withdrawal a couple weeks ago.

And as far as being crackheads...the only confirmed cocaine use by our federal gov't leaders is by the CIC, I believe.

Pelosi calls for pullout as Democrats dismiss Bush strategy
By Bill Nichols, USA TODAY
WASHINGTON — House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi switched gears Wednesday and embraced a call to begin an immediate withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq as many congressional Democrats dismissed a speech by President Bush on Iraq policy as tired rhetoric.
Pelosi, D-Calif., said she backs a call made Nov. 17 by Rep. John Murtha of Pennsylvania, the top Democrat on the House's spending panel for the Pentagon, for a quick drawdown.

"I will be supporting the Murtha resolution," she said, adding that Congress needs to conduct a "serious debate" about withdrawing U.S. troops.

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Kerry Urges U.S. to Start Withdrawal From Iraq
Senator's Timetable Specifies 15 Months

By Chris Cillizza and Josh White
Washington Post Staff Writers
Thursday, October 27, 2005; Page A03

Sen. John F. Kerry (D-Mass.) yesterday called for the withdrawal of 20,000 troops from Iraq by year's end as the first step in a proposal that would significantly reduce U.S. military forces in the region over the next 15 months.

Kerry offered a middle ground between those advocating an immediate drawdown of the more than 150,000 U.S. troops stationed in Iraq and the Bush administration, which has declined to set a timetable for a decreased U.S. military presence.

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Only difference between Kerry and Pelosi is Kerry wants it started immediately and done over a period of time. And for the record, in true Kerry style, he was calling for increasing troop levels a while back. I guess that isn't popular anymore, so he's flip-flopped again.

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That's other people saying they said it. Like you saying they said it. Show me a quote of them saying it. I don't claim to know that they for a fact did say it. And if they did, I'd like to see it. But other people say they said it, without a direct quote, is not enough to believe it.

Pelosi (whom I don't much care for) said she supported Murtha's plan, which was not an immediate withdrawal. It was a troop reduction plan over time. And when a vote came up to immediately withdraw, both she and Murtha voted against it.

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That's other people saying they said it. Like you saying they said it. Show me a quote of them saying it. I don't claim to know that they for a fact did say it. And if they did, I'd like to see it. But other people say they said it, without a direct quote, is not enough to believe it.

Pelosi (whom I don't much care for) said she supported Murtha's plan, which was not an immediate withdrawal. It was a troop reduction plan over time. And when a vote came up to immediately withdraw, both she and Murtha voted against it.

Kind of splitting hairs aren't you? You asked for sources and he finds and posts them. Now you want quotes?

As for Pelosi, do a "Murhta Pelosi anti war scheme" search on Google. Murtha did not come forth on his own on the troop with drawl. It looks like it was a Murhta Pelosi scheme for head lines..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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......Oh, and of course they voted against it............what did you expect.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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I'm not splitting hairs at all. I asked for a source quoting them in the first place. Yes, if you claim someone said somthing, the appropriate proof would be a quote from them. Not someone else claiming they heard them say it. Ever play whisper down the lane? Of course you have, that's how they write newsmax articles.

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So, if the articles posted had "quotes" in them they would be more credible?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So, if the articles posted had "quotes" in them they would be more credible?

Damn. I posted one from USA Today and one from the Washington Post and now he says they aren't credible. It's not like I was posting from Newsmax or something.

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So, if the articles posted had "quotes" in them they would be more credible?

Damn. I posted one from USA Today and one from the Washington Post and now he says they aren't credible. It's not like I was posting from Newsmax or something.

Ouch...........that one hurt!!

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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So, if the articles posted had "quotes" in them they would be more credible?

Yes, when legitimate and recognized news organization actually "quote" someone I take that as credible. When somene paraphrases something, I take that as their opinion of what the other person meant.

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So, if the articles posted had "quotes" in them they would be more credible?

Yes, when legitimate and recognized news organization actually "quote" someone I take that as credible. When somene paraphrases something, I take that as their opinion of what the other person meant.

Well......good luck using that criteria. I have seen article with quotes that were used completly out of context So quotes really don't mean that much IMHO............

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

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Well, that's true too. But you need to at least start with the actual words someone says, rather than a third party accounting of what they said. Then you can gauge the context. It's being critically objective to avoid being duped by propaganda. I try to apply it to both sides of the fence on all issues.