The "Liers" Lies Are Starting To Work!

[kallend 2,148]

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Old, tired and most of the quotes posted are out of context

Ah, but that is his specialty, rushmc! He loves manipulating the facts to supoort his bias. As do many, if not most, libs.

I'm not in full support of our Prez's policies (as I thought I might be when we elected him), but a liar he isn't.

Which particular facts would those be? Please tell us which particular untruth out of many was not a lie.

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[kallend 2,148]

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You can't say on topic. I feel there is no chance of a "logical" debate with you. I bring up points on one tiopic, you go to another. I would research and discuss anything with you, but I can't talk about "everything" with you.

One thing I know for sure. You hate Bush. You are blinded by that hatred.

so be it.....

The topic is "Liers(sic)" and "Lies". Geez - you wrote the thread title and I've given you a bunch of examples. That's 100% ON topic.

I don't hate Bush in particular. I just hate liars in general. Nothing personal.

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[rushmc 23]

Amen




........oh wait.........can I say that?

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ReBirth 0]

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He loves manipulating the facts to supoort his bias. As do many, if not most, libs.

Am I the only one not missing the irony of accusing a large and diverse group of people of having the trait of bias?

[kallend 2,148]

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He loves manipulating the facts to supoort his bias. As do many, if not most, libs.

Am I the only one not missing the irony of accusing a large and diverse group of people of having the trait of bias?

Still waiting to hear which "fact" has been manipulated.

It's a pity so few of you (plural, not directed to ReBirth) were around during the Nixon presidency. The current administration seems to have adopted the Nixon playbook, which we thought had been buried forever after the fall of Nixon.

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[SpeedRacer 1]

quotes from late night talk shows:

"At the trial Saddam insisted he is still president, he is still in charge, despite the fact that his people disapprove of him and his top assistants are all in jail or going to jail. No, I'm sorry, that's President Bush." --Jay Leno

"Saddam Hussein's trial started yesterday, were you folks aware of that? In court he was stubborn and he was defiant. Stubborn and defiant in insisting that he's still the president. You know, sorta like Bush." --David Letterman

"There are rumors circulating that because of the CIA leak investigation, Vice President Dick Cheney would resign and Condoleezza Rice will take his place. Due to the complex nature of the arrangement, it had to be explained to the President using puppets." --Jay Leno

"The results from the Iraqi election are coming in and the Sunnis are claiming that the election was rigged. So looks like they got an American-style democracy after all." --David Letterman

"Here's a reminder to Iraq: The crooked voting machines are due back in Florida by Friday." --David Letterman

"Karl Rove testified in front of the grand jury for the fourth time. This is the fourth time in front of the grand jury. In fact this time he had to give his testimony standing up. See the first three times he lied his ass off, so he had to stand up." --Jay Leno

"You know I love New Orleans, they're vowing to hold Mardi Gras this year come hell or -- no pun -- high water. This is interesting, they've always had a Mardi Gras drink called the Hurricane. They're not going to serve that this year, but they've got a new one called the FEMA. It's strong, it hits you about a week later." --Bill Maher

"President Bush is taking more liberal positions. For example global warming. He used to be against it. Now it's the Republican plan for heating homes this winter." -Jay Leno

"I think the President is losing it. The BBC is reporting that Bush told a group of Palestinian ministers that God told him to invade Iraq. You see, that's what happens when you mix the New Testament and Old Milwaukee."--Bill Maher

"Now here's some sad information coming out of Washington. According to reports, President Bush may be drinking again. And I thought, 'Well, why not? He's got everybody else drinking.'" --David Letterman

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[kallend 2,148]

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Amen




........oh wait.........can I say that?

Sure, Ashcroft put it on the "Approved" list when he was AG, right about the same time he put a cover on the statue of The Spirit of Justice.

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[Guest 1010]

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I don't hate Bush in particular. I just hate liars in general. Nothing personal.

cred·i·bil·i·ty
n. The quality of being believable or trustworthy.

look it up doc

I won't be waiting for your rebuttal to the previous presidency.

You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two.

[rushmc 23]

Surprising when we all know they are all major contributers to the RNC

Heck, they were just a hard on Clinton too..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[rushmc 23]

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Amen




........oh wait.........can I say that?

Sure, Ashcroft put it on the "Approved" list when he was AG, right about the same time he put a cover on the statue of The Spirit of Justice.

Oh ya, you hate Ashcroft too......

...and Rice, and Gingrich , and DeLay, and ....................................................................................................................ect.

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[kallend 2,148]

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I don't hate Bush in particular. I just hate liars in general. Nothing personal.

cred·i·bil·i·ty
n. The quality of being believable or trustworthy.

look it up doc

I won't be waiting for your rebuttal to the previous presidency.

Eisenhower, lied to Congress and the American people about spy plane flights over USSR.
Kennedy - lied to the American people
Johnson - lied to just about everyone, most of the time.
Nixon - "I am not a crook"
Carter - lied about something, I forget what it was now.
Reagan - lied about Iran Contra and his promise to cut government spending.
Bush I - lied about Iran Contra, and "Read My Lips"
Clinton - lied about a BJ
Bush II - lied about the deficit, veterans, medicare, social security, Iraq, government spending...

I do not care for any of them.

Gerald Ford - I don't know that he was ever caught lying.

I guess I just have higher expectations than many of you.

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[Guest 1010]

Bush learned more from Clinton then he ever did from any previous admininstration. Bush's trial ballons about flag-burning and balanced-budget amendments are pure Clinton-type politiking.

I don't believe that you actually believe what you type. As the left has adopted now, you also argue dishonestly. Not worth my time to argue.

Well here is just a sampling of some Clinton lies.


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July 1991: Question: "Have you ever used Marijuana or any illegal drugs?" Answer: "I've never broken any drug law." - Arkansas Gazette, July 24th, 1991, p. 8B
Asked this 3 times, on 3 separate occasions, by 3 different interviewers, your Great White Hope repeated this claim. Until faced with irrefutable proof, that is.

Then he said:

March 29th, 1992: "I've never broken a state law. But when I was in England I experimented with marijuana a time or two..."

Later, in that same interview, "No one has ever asked me that question point-blank."

- The New York Times, March 30th, 1992, p.A15.

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100,000 Cops

"The president has formed an alliance with the law enforcement officers around this country and experts in fighting crime, passed legislation, over the opposition of Senator Dole and Speaker Gingrich, that is now putting 100,000 extra community police officers on the streets." --Al Gore, ABC's "This Week with David Brinkley," 8/25/96

Wrong again!

"What I am advised is that there are 17,000 officers that can be identified as being on the streets." --Attorney General Janet Reno, media availability, 5/16/96

Worse, not all of these cops are fighting crime:

"At least $7.2 million in COPS grants has been used to hire 86 officers for state parks, marinas and other areas seemingly far removed from violent crime." --Investor's Business Daily, 7/16/96

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Reducing government

"We have downsized the federal government during the last four years by 250,000 people." --Al Gore, ABC's "This Week with David Brinkley," 8/25/96

What Gore didn't say was that Clinton accomplished this by gutting Defense:

"President Clinton's plan three years ago to 'reinvent' government and cut the federal work force by nearly 252,000 jobs never mentioned that the military would absorb 75 percent of the cuts." --The Washington Times, 8/23/96

You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two.

[kallend 2,148]

Please explain how "But Clinton was worse" excuses lying by the Bush administration.

Would "But Nixon was worse" excuse Clinton in your eyes?

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[Guest 1010]

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Please explain how "But Clinton was worse" excuses lying by the Bush administration.

Would "But Nixon was worse" excuse Clinton in your eyes?

I'm not a student/sheep of yours; I don't feel the need to explain anything to you. Anyway, you won't care/listen/be convincinced by anything I have to say, nor will I be the least bit swayed by anything you have to say.

Politics, lying, or persuasion of the masses if you will (especially that golden 15% in the middle) are one and the same. Clinton, Bush and all pols understand that. It is not a hard concept to grasp.

Now if you and the left would provide your solutions to the problems facing the country today, I'd be interested in hearing them. However, the Left never gets very far with their solutions, because the American people realize they are crap, and won't listen. Pull out of Iraq immediately - crap. Raise taxes - crap. Abandon Iran to let them have nukes - crap. Abandon NK to let them have nukes - crap. Force everyone into a nationalized government health care plan - crap. Create a "Department of Peace", withdraw every troop from all overseas bases, and dismantle our military - crap. You get the idea.

That leaves the Left with being naysayers and doom-n-gloomers. You have nothing to offer, but hope to make gains by raising the negatives of the other side. Without substance, without solutions, without a political future, unless you succeed in making the Republicans more disliked ... than the crap ideas you have to offer.

You can have it good, fast, or cheap: pick two.

[kallend 2,148]

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Please explain how "But Clinton was worse" excuses lying by the Bush administration.

Would "But Nixon was worse" excuse Clinton in your eyes?

I'm not a student/sheep of yours; I don't feel the need to explain anything to you. Anyway, you won't care/listen/be convincinced by anything I have to say, nor will I be the least bit swayed by anything you have to say.

Politics, lying, or persuasion of the masses if you will (especially that golden 15% in the middle) are one and the same. Clinton, Bush and all pols understand that. It is not a hard concept to grasp.

So you admit Bush and his conies are liars.

Excellent. "The truth will set you free".

Maybe Gravitymaster and Rushmc will convert next.

Once you admit the truth and admit your mistakes, you are half way to fixing them.

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[SkyDekker 1,465]

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I won't be waiting for your rebuttal to the previous presidency.

ahh yes, the Bush is good, cause Clinton was worse defence....

The scary thing is, some people actually believe that....

[kallend 2,148]

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Bush learned more from Clinton then he ever did from any previous admininstration.

You weren't around during the Nixon years, were you, young Padawan? Otherwise you'd realize what a silly statement you made.

Rumsfeld and Cheney et al. cut their teeth in the Nixon White House.

www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/pentagon/paths/

www.salon.com/politics/feature/2002/06/17/bush_watergate/print.html

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Maybe Gravitymaster and Rushmc will convert next.

and give my enemies the victory they seek? NEVER!!!

Seriously though, as a fellow skydiver, I urge you to seek out a mental health evaluation. You have become way too obsessive and indignant about politicians lying to you. It seems to have taken over your life. I don't want to visit Chicago in a few years and find you homeless and wandering the streets carrying a "Bush Lied" sign. But if you choose to continue this dark descent into madness, rest assured I will buy you a cup of coffee and a donut.

[ReBirth 0]

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Pull out of Iraq immediately - crap. Raise taxes - crap. Abandon Iran to let them have nukes - crap. Abandon NK to let them have nukes - crap. Force everyone into a nationalized government health care plan - crap. Create a "Department of Peace", withdraw every troop from all overseas bases, and dismantle our military - crap. You get the idea.

yeah, i get the idea. Crap. That about covers your assessment of reality.

[rushmc 23]

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Pull out of Iraq immediately - crap. Raise taxes - crap. Abandon Iran to let them have nukes - crap. Abandon NK to let them have nukes - crap. Force everyone into a nationalized government health care plan - crap. Create a "Department of Peace", withdraw every troop from all overseas bases, and dismantle our military - crap. You get the idea.

yeah, i get the idea. Crap. That about covers your assessment of reality.

.......and yours I belive..........

"America will never be destroyed from the outside,
if we falter and lose our freedoms,
it will be because we destroyed ourselves."
Abraham Lincoln

[ReBirth 0]

Nice reply....I know you are but what am I?

My response was to the point that his assessment of liberal or democrat agenda is not even close to reality. Yeah, a couple of crackpots have made statements like what he posted, but in no way could anyone claim that those are stated agendas.

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Nice reply....I know you are but what am I?

My response was to the point that his assessment of liberal or democrat agenda is not even close to reality. Yeah, a couple of crackpots have made statements like what he posted, but in no way could anyone claim that those are stated agendas.

I disagree. When you have Democratic Party leaders like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi calling for immediate withdrawl from Iraq, you can't dismiss them as crackpots. Nor can you deny they aren't stated agenda of the party.

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I disagree. When you have Democratic Party leaders like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi calling for immediate withdrawl from Iraq, you can't dismiss them as crackpots. Nor can you deny they aren't stated agenda of the party.

Are you really willing to take the top 3 or 4 wierdos of the left and open yourself up to the same argument with the top 3 or 4 wierdos of the right? It just shows some states are just as out there as some individuals are too. that distribution has 2 tails also....

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I disagree. When you have Democratic Party leaders like John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi calling for immediate withdrawl from Iraq, you can't dismiss them as crackpots. Nor can you deny they aren't stated agenda of the party.

Are you really willing to take the top 3 or 4 wierdos of the left and open yourself up to the same argument with the top 3 or 4 wierdos of the right? It just shows some states are just as out there as some individuals are too. that distribution has 2 tails also....

Nope, I'm simply saying you cannot dismiss them as crackpots. Crackheads, maybe.

[ReBirth 0]

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John Kerry and Nancy Pelosi calling for immediate withdrawl from Iraq

Cite one source where they are quoted saying that. In fact...Pelosi voted AGAINST immediate withdrawal a couple weeks ago.

And as far as being crackheads...the only confirmed cocaine use by our federal gov't leaders is by the CIC, I believe.

Claiming they are calling for immediate withdraw must be based on "faulty intelligence". Because I can't find any instances of it at all, and I would never call you a liar.