rushmc 23 #51 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteToo bad everything is some kind of evil plot to the left. Unless of course they are doing it. Serious question: do you really think that way, or are you just pushing buttons? If it's the former, I'm really fascinated as to how you've come to this, and, if you don't mind, I'd love to study you for a paper I'm writing. a person has to wonder..... Let me ask you something. Has Bush done anything correct? .....do a paper on me?...you couldn't handle it"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #52 December 2, 2005 QuoteLet me ask you something. Has Bush done anything correct? Taking into account that the, "correctness," of what politicians do in their job is highly subjective, then I'll say, "Of course!" And what I'm meaning is that I agree with some of the things he has done in office. Quote.....do a paper on me?...you couldn't handle it You think I'm kidding? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #53 December 2, 2005 QuoteThe media doesn't do anything close to that now, but the right wingers are still screaming "LYING LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS!" at the top of their lungs. So you'd have to ask them. I did ask some, and they said... "remember the fake bush military records scandal?" I remember how media clung to it after GLARING evidence that it was false was pointed out. Only after they couldn't deny it, did they admit anything. QuoteI think you're digging yourself into a hole, here. I know you see the ethical problem in doing that; heck, I think that if you ran a paper you'd have too much integrity to think that was OK. I never said it was okay with me that that is how the news business is. But since it IS like that, I don't see a problem with playing by their rules. Those rules are: SELL PAPERS. I have the luxury of looking at this from the outside because, knowing what I know... I wouldn't work for a paper. If I were to run a paper, it'd probably go out of business since no one wants the drab and boring truth. QuoteWhat the heck are you talking about? Bush makes a "everything is great in Iraq" and it's front page news, under a "Bush Touts Progress in Iraq" banner headline. An Iraqi family gets killed at a checkpoint by US soldiers and it's page three, under "Today in Iraq." http://www.cnn.com What do you see? What DON'T you see? And this is the day after the 1 big story to the contrary that you pointed out.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #54 December 2, 2005 QuoteIf I were to run a paper, it'd probably go out of business since no one wants the drab and boring truth. I'm right there with you!!! Quotehttp://www.cnn.com What do you see? What DON'T you see? And this is the day after the 1 big story to the contrary that you pointed out. Hey, there, big boy: http://www.foxnews.com/ Same photo and everything! EDIT: Seems bad news sells... or at least it's that about which people want to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #55 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteLet me ask you something. Has Bush done anything correct? Taking into account that the, "correctness," of what politicians do in their job is highly subjective, then I'll say, "Of course!" And what I'm meaning is that I agree with some of the things he has done in office. Quote.....do a paper on me?...you couldn't handle it You think I'm kidding? .........aaahahhhh OK? I am too expensive?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #56 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteToo bad everything is some kind of evil plot to the left. Unless of course they are doing it. Serious question: do you really think that way, or are you just pushing buttons? If it's the former, I'm really fascinated as to how you've come to this, and, if you don't mind, I'd love to study you for a paper I'm writing. a person has to wonder..... Let me ask you something. Has Bush done anything correct? .....do a paper on me?...you couldn't handle it Speaking for myself, I think GWB was right with regards to Afghanistan and ousting the Taliban. Trying hard to think of anything else of any significance........... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #57 December 2, 2005 >I remember how media clung to it after GLARING evidence that it >was false was pointed out. The media reported on a false document someone forged, just as they reported on the false information about Saddam's WMD's. In both cases they failed to do sufficient digging to uncover the truth. Which is a problem of an awful lot of news organizations nowadays. >What do you see? I see a story about ten dead soldiers in Iraq, one of the highest death tolls so far in the war. I can't imagine how much you must hate our military if you don't think ten dead soldiers is worth mentioning, just because it makes a cool war look bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #58 December 2, 2005 QuoteHey, there, big boy: http://www.foxnews.com/ Same photo and everything! EDIT: Seems bad news sells... or at least it's that about which people want to read. I wasn't comparing CNN to anything, just pointing the news on the front page today, and almost every day.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #59 December 2, 2005 Cool, cool. My apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Trent 0 #60 December 2, 2005 QuoteI see a story about ten dead soldiers in Iraq, one of the highest death tolls so far in the war. Well, I was illustrating that not anywhere on there do you see anything good, even though there must be some news about the elections or successful operations. Now for this piece of shit you wrote: Quote I can't imagine how much you must hate our military if you don't think ten dead soldiers is worth mentioning, just because it makes a cool war look bad. Although cleverly throwing in "if", I can't see this statement as being anything but inflammatory and pretty much among the lowest shit ever posted here in SC. I'm sure you'll weasel around and try to make yourself look misunderstood here, but you know what you were trying to do. You assumed that since I pointed out the lack of positive news on the front page of CNN that I'm someone who doesn't care about military deaths. Nice. Just shows how low someone will stoop to misdirect the actual conversation at hand. I was gonna throw in some clever "if-then" comments of my own, but you'd probably ban me for turnabout.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,119 #61 December 2, 2005 >I can't see this statement as being anything but inflammatory >and pretty much among the lowest shit ever posted here in SC. Oh, I suspect you don't really hate the troops, and you don't even see anything wrong with making their stories front page news. I also suspect you have more integrity than to really take money for putting a story in your paper (if you had a paper.) You just got all into your argument and needed a good slam. Think hard about what you _really_ support before you condemn people just because you think they're on the 'other side.' Because, more and more often, that 'other side' includes our troops. Edited to add - it sure is annoying when someone claims you might hate the troops, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #62 December 2, 2005 QuoteYou just got all into your argument and needed a good slam. What you said *was* pretty harsh, Bill, but I chalked it up to crass hyperbole (of which I, too, partake). Your statement above, however, leaves me with a great big WTF? Back on topic, though, the only troops I ever hated were the ones in my chain of command. And in my unit. And on the Camp Casey bus screaming at the driver, "Next stop, SHI!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites masterblaster72 0 #63 December 2, 2005 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com What do you see? What DON'T you see? And this is the day after the 1 big story to the contrary that you pointed out. I personally would be indignant if news of ten dead soldiers were NOT on the first page of the news on that site. I'm indignant anyhow that there are ten more dead soldiers, today alone. Aren't you? [tangent]This f.cktard president yesterday said it'll take three more years to win the war. Translation: stfu people, until I'm out of office. Until then, it's all about my winning strategy. So stop the complaining and let me and my pals get rich until I'm out of office.[/tangent] And by the way: most news, by its nature, is bad news. So of course you're going to hear a lot more of the not-so-pleasant stuff about Iraq than news about Halliburton us building schools. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #64 December 2, 2005 >He has a rising approval rating . . . Reading Newsmax again? Now it is in NewsMax!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #53 December 2, 2005 QuoteThe media doesn't do anything close to that now, but the right wingers are still screaming "LYING LIBERAL MEDIA BIAS!" at the top of their lungs. So you'd have to ask them. I did ask some, and they said... "remember the fake bush military records scandal?" I remember how media clung to it after GLARING evidence that it was false was pointed out. Only after they couldn't deny it, did they admit anything. QuoteI think you're digging yourself into a hole, here. I know you see the ethical problem in doing that; heck, I think that if you ran a paper you'd have too much integrity to think that was OK. I never said it was okay with me that that is how the news business is. But since it IS like that, I don't see a problem with playing by their rules. Those rules are: SELL PAPERS. I have the luxury of looking at this from the outside because, knowing what I know... I wouldn't work for a paper. If I were to run a paper, it'd probably go out of business since no one wants the drab and boring truth. QuoteWhat the heck are you talking about? Bush makes a "everything is great in Iraq" and it's front page news, under a "Bush Touts Progress in Iraq" banner headline. An Iraqi family gets killed at a checkpoint by US soldiers and it's page three, under "Today in Iraq." http://www.cnn.com What do you see? What DON'T you see? And this is the day after the 1 big story to the contrary that you pointed out.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #54 December 2, 2005 QuoteIf I were to run a paper, it'd probably go out of business since no one wants the drab and boring truth. I'm right there with you!!! Quotehttp://www.cnn.com What do you see? What DON'T you see? And this is the day after the 1 big story to the contrary that you pointed out. Hey, there, big boy: http://www.foxnews.com/ Same photo and everything! EDIT: Seems bad news sells... or at least it's that about which people want to read. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #55 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteLet me ask you something. Has Bush done anything correct? Taking into account that the, "correctness," of what politicians do in their job is highly subjective, then I'll say, "Of course!" And what I'm meaning is that I agree with some of the things he has done in office. Quote.....do a paper on me?...you couldn't handle it You think I'm kidding? .........aaahahhhh OK? I am too expensive?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #56 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteQuoteToo bad everything is some kind of evil plot to the left. Unless of course they are doing it. Serious question: do you really think that way, or are you just pushing buttons? If it's the former, I'm really fascinated as to how you've come to this, and, if you don't mind, I'd love to study you for a paper I'm writing. a person has to wonder..... Let me ask you something. Has Bush done anything correct? .....do a paper on me?...you couldn't handle it Speaking for myself, I think GWB was right with regards to Afghanistan and ousting the Taliban. Trying hard to think of anything else of any significance........... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #57 December 2, 2005 >I remember how media clung to it after GLARING evidence that it >was false was pointed out. The media reported on a false document someone forged, just as they reported on the false information about Saddam's WMD's. In both cases they failed to do sufficient digging to uncover the truth. Which is a problem of an awful lot of news organizations nowadays. >What do you see? I see a story about ten dead soldiers in Iraq, one of the highest death tolls so far in the war. I can't imagine how much you must hate our military if you don't think ten dead soldiers is worth mentioning, just because it makes a cool war look bad. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #58 December 2, 2005 QuoteHey, there, big boy: http://www.foxnews.com/ Same photo and everything! EDIT: Seems bad news sells... or at least it's that about which people want to read. I wasn't comparing CNN to anything, just pointing the news on the front page today, and almost every day.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #59 December 2, 2005 Cool, cool. My apologies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #60 December 2, 2005 QuoteI see a story about ten dead soldiers in Iraq, one of the highest death tolls so far in the war. Well, I was illustrating that not anywhere on there do you see anything good, even though there must be some news about the elections or successful operations. Now for this piece of shit you wrote: Quote I can't imagine how much you must hate our military if you don't think ten dead soldiers is worth mentioning, just because it makes a cool war look bad. Although cleverly throwing in "if", I can't see this statement as being anything but inflammatory and pretty much among the lowest shit ever posted here in SC. I'm sure you'll weasel around and try to make yourself look misunderstood here, but you know what you were trying to do. You assumed that since I pointed out the lack of positive news on the front page of CNN that I'm someone who doesn't care about military deaths. Nice. Just shows how low someone will stoop to misdirect the actual conversation at hand. I was gonna throw in some clever "if-then" comments of my own, but you'd probably ban me for turnabout.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #61 December 2, 2005 >I can't see this statement as being anything but inflammatory >and pretty much among the lowest shit ever posted here in SC. Oh, I suspect you don't really hate the troops, and you don't even see anything wrong with making their stories front page news. I also suspect you have more integrity than to really take money for putting a story in your paper (if you had a paper.) You just got all into your argument and needed a good slam. Think hard about what you _really_ support before you condemn people just because you think they're on the 'other side.' Because, more and more often, that 'other side' includes our troops. Edited to add - it sure is annoying when someone claims you might hate the troops, eh? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #62 December 2, 2005 QuoteYou just got all into your argument and needed a good slam. What you said *was* pretty harsh, Bill, but I chalked it up to crass hyperbole (of which I, too, partake). Your statement above, however, leaves me with a great big WTF? Back on topic, though, the only troops I ever hated were the ones in my chain of command. And in my unit. And on the Camp Casey bus screaming at the driver, "Next stop, SHI!" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #63 December 2, 2005 Quotehttp://www.cnn.com What do you see? What DON'T you see? And this is the day after the 1 big story to the contrary that you pointed out. I personally would be indignant if news of ten dead soldiers were NOT on the first page of the news on that site. I'm indignant anyhow that there are ten more dead soldiers, today alone. Aren't you? [tangent]This f.cktard president yesterday said it'll take three more years to win the war. Translation: stfu people, until I'm out of office. Until then, it's all about my winning strategy. So stop the complaining and let me and my pals get rich until I'm out of office.[/tangent] And by the way: most news, by its nature, is bad news. So of course you're going to hear a lot more of the not-so-pleasant stuff about Iraq than news about Halliburton us building schools. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #64 December 2, 2005 >He has a rising approval rating . . . Reading Newsmax again? Now it is in NewsMax!!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #65 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuotehttp://www.cnn.com What do you see? What DON'T you see? And this is the day after the 1 big story to the contrary that you pointed out. I personally would be indignant if news of ten dead soldiers were NOT on the first page of the news on that site. I'm indignant anyhow that there are ten more dead soldiers, today alone. Aren't you? [tangent]This f.cktard president yesterday said it'll take three more years to win the war. Translation: stfu people, until I'm out of office. Until then, it's all about my winning strategy. So stop the complaining and let me and my pals get rich until I'm out of office.[/tangent] And by the way: most news, by its nature, is bad news. So of course you're going to hear a lot more of the not-so-pleasant stuff about Iraq than news about Halliburton us building schools. My my you seem angry"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,119 #66 December 2, 2005 >Your statement above, however, leaves me with a great big WTF? I think people on here (myself included) get worked up, and sometimes get so into making their point that they use things that reinforce their point without thinking about them too much. "Yeah, I'm really for gun control - here's an article that PROVES people like me can't handle a gun safely! Take that, John Rich!" But you're right, it was pretty harsh. I shouldn't have said it that way. I've been called an anti-american troop hater often enough that I forget that people take that stuff really personally. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #67 December 2, 2005 The sad reality is that paying for US propaganda to be placed in the news media does so much damage to US credibility that any benefit that might have accrued has been canceled and more than canceled. It makes us look like hypocrites, and stupid ones at that. It also gives the lie to the claims of a free Iraqi press. Who will now believe that besides rushmc? Apparently the Pentagon had $300M in contracts with several outfits to do this stuff; what a frigging WASTE of taxpayer dollars.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Trent 0 #68 December 2, 2005 QuoteYou just got all into your argument and needed a good slam. Oh thank you, great one, for putting me in my place!! It must be satisfying to change the entire discussion to allow yourself to get some "points". Congrats. QuoteThink hard about what you _really_ support before you condemn people just because you think they're on the 'other side.' Because, more and more often, that 'other side' includes our troops. Like I just said *sigh*. This conversation was about paying Iraqi papers to print some articles that were positive, and factual (according to the posted article's quotes of people involved), NOT about troops and who does or does not support them. But you needed to feel like ya really got someone I guess. Bravo. QuoteEdited to add - it sure is annoying when someone claims you might hate the troops, eh? It must be as annoying as being hypocritical, eh? Aren't you always saying how one should not lower themselves to their opponent's tactics? Too bad I can't remember ever accusing you of hating our troops. Even if I did, see the point about lowering yourself. Nice try.Oh, hello again! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
