ReBirth 0 #1 December 1, 2005 QuoteThe White House and a senior Republican lawmaker expressed concern on Thursday about secret military payments to get Iraqi newspapers to print pro-American articles QuoteThe Bush administration also has tried to influence domestic media, including having federal agencies distribute video packages to U.S. TV stations that could be broadcast as news stories and paying commentator Armstrong Williams to tout Bush education policies in TV appearances and in his column. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20051201/pl_nm/iraq_usa_newspapers_dc_10 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #2 December 1, 2005 Why? The fact that there are "hypocrites" or the magnitude of the hypocricy? It's called politics and both Repubs. and Dems engage in large doses of it on a regular basis Until we can have a viable multi party system......it will continue to be "business as usual"Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #3 December 1, 2005 QuoteQuoteThe White House and a senior Republican lawmaker expressed concern on Thursday about secret military payments to get Iraqi newspapers to print pro-American articles QuoteThe Bush administration also has tried to influence domestic media, including having federal agencies distribute video packages to U.S. TV stations that could be broadcast as news stories and paying commentator Armstrong Williams to tout Bush education policies in TV appearances and in his column. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20051201/pl_nm/iraq_usa_newspapers_dc_10 Is a paid press some Republican variant on the concept of a "free press"?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #4 December 1, 2005 The magnitude....it's definitely at levels not seen in a long time. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
markd_nscr986 0 #5 December 1, 2005 QuoteIs a paid press some Republican variant on the concept of a "free press"? Marc SCR 6046 SCS 3004 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites ReBirth 0 #6 December 1, 2005 It's probably a play on words. Like all the Infinity radio stations being "free FM" because they are moving to formats without live djs to avoid any poop jokes that might get them fined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nathaniel 0 #7 December 1, 2005 I don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm]My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #8 December 2, 2005 QuoteI don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm] He has!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #9 December 2, 2005 Ya, I am in awe of a roaring economy (unemployment below 5%, 3.4% growth, many millions of jobs created DESPITE the expectation of the impact of the huricanes, and inflation in check, the DOW at nearly 11,000) and the success of our troops in Iraq, and a LEADER that sticks to his guns despite the bullshit thrown out by the media and Dems. He has a rising approval rating (and it will get higher IMO) The first president to get re-elected with OVER 50% of the popular vote since 1978. Yep yep yep..........pretty dam ballsey"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Zenister 0 #10 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm] He has! hardly... perhaps you should reinvestigate the definition of dignity... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,147 #11 December 2, 2005 QuoteYa, I am in awe of a roaring economy The Outstanding Public Debt as of 02 Dec 2005 at 02:02:41 AM GMT is $8.1 Trillion. That's about $2.4 Trillion MORE than when he took office. I bet you believe Santa Claus paid for your Christmas presents, too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites jumper03 0 #12 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm] He has! that depends on what the definition of has is...Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,113 #13 December 2, 2005 >I am in awe of a roaring economy . . . Ah yes. I almost forgot. When the economy is doing poorly, the line is "what, do you idiots think the president RUNS the economy?" When it's doing well, of course, it's their guy at the tiller. >and the success of our troops in Iraq . . . Right! And they get to re-take major cities every few months. And the doctors there have been amazingly successful in reassembling GI's after IED incidents. There are a lot of very experienced trauma surgeons in Iraq, and they're getting better every day. >He has a rising approval rating . . . Reading Newsmax again? On the plus side, he came VERY close to admitting his mistakes in a speech yesterday. If poll numbers stay as low as they have gotten, who knows? He may even start learning from his mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites rushmc 23 #14 December 2, 2005 >Reading Newsmax again?...... I haven't seen it there..........yet On the plus side, he came VERY close to admitting his mistakes in a speech yesterday. If poll numbers stay as low as they have gotten, who knows? He may even start learning from his mistakes. It strikes me as quite funny that "addmitting something or making an apology some how make things "all better' to the left. I don't recall hearing anyone say everything has gone perfect (although I have spet a lot of time countering those that say he has done "everything" wrong) But, when I start to giggle when having thoughts like this I just remember that I am not smart enough, educated enough or supportive enough of "the people" enough to be taken seriously by the left. After all, I am just not smart enough to know what is good for me or the country. That level of acumen is the domain of the Libs........"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #6 December 1, 2005 It's probably a play on words. Like all the Infinity radio stations being "free FM" because they are moving to formats without live djs to avoid any poop jokes that might get them fined. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nathaniel 0 #7 December 1, 2005 I don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm]My advice is to do what your parents did; get a job, sir. The bums will always lose. Do you hear me, Lebowski? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #8 December 2, 2005 QuoteI don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm] He has!"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #9 December 2, 2005 Ya, I am in awe of a roaring economy (unemployment below 5%, 3.4% growth, many millions of jobs created DESPITE the expectation of the impact of the huricanes, and inflation in check, the DOW at nearly 11,000) and the success of our troops in Iraq, and a LEADER that sticks to his guns despite the bullshit thrown out by the media and Dems. He has a rising approval rating (and it will get higher IMO) The first president to get re-elected with OVER 50% of the popular vote since 1978. Yep yep yep..........pretty dam ballsey"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Zenister 0 #10 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm] He has! hardly... perhaps you should reinvestigate the definition of dignity... ____________________________________ Those who fail to learn from the past are simply Doomed. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,147 #11 December 2, 2005 QuoteYa, I am in awe of a roaring economy The Outstanding Public Debt as of 02 Dec 2005 at 02:02:41 AM GMT is $8.1 Trillion. That's about $2.4 Trillion MORE than when he took office. I bet you believe Santa Claus paid for your Christmas presents, too.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jumper03 0 #12 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteI don't believe it, this is the president who said he'd bring dignity to the white house [/sarcasm] He has! that depends on what the definition of has is...Scars remind us that the past is real Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,113 #13 December 2, 2005 >I am in awe of a roaring economy . . . Ah yes. I almost forgot. When the economy is doing poorly, the line is "what, do you idiots think the president RUNS the economy?" When it's doing well, of course, it's their guy at the tiller. >and the success of our troops in Iraq . . . Right! And they get to re-take major cities every few months. And the doctors there have been amazingly successful in reassembling GI's after IED incidents. There are a lot of very experienced trauma surgeons in Iraq, and they're getting better every day. >He has a rising approval rating . . . Reading Newsmax again? On the plus side, he came VERY close to admitting his mistakes in a speech yesterday. If poll numbers stay as low as they have gotten, who knows? He may even start learning from his mistakes. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #14 December 2, 2005 >Reading Newsmax again?...... I haven't seen it there..........yet On the plus side, he came VERY close to admitting his mistakes in a speech yesterday. If poll numbers stay as low as they have gotten, who knows? He may even start learning from his mistakes. It strikes me as quite funny that "addmitting something or making an apology some how make things "all better' to the left. I don't recall hearing anyone say everything has gone perfect (although I have spet a lot of time countering those that say he has done "everything" wrong) But, when I start to giggle when having thoughts like this I just remember that I am not smart enough, educated enough or supportive enough of "the people" enough to be taken seriously by the left. After all, I am just not smart enough to know what is good for me or the country. That level of acumen is the domain of the Libs........"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #15 December 2, 2005 QuoteBut, when I start to giggle when having thoughts like this I just remember that I am not smart enough, educated enough or supportive enough of "the people" enough to be taken seriously by the left. After all, I am just not smart enough to know what is good for me or the country. That level of acumen is the domain of the Libs........ Finally...I agree with you. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #16 December 2, 2005 QuoteI bet you believe Santa Claus paid for your Christmas presents, too. Silly, Santa doesn't pay for Christmas presents, the elves build the Christmas presents in Santa's little exploitive sweatshop. That's why we celebrate Santa's birthday every year around the solstice (along with worshipping some trees - trees and fire and bugs). {{But I shouldn't badmouth Santa, I'm sure there's some posters here under 19 or so that might still be living with their parents and still believe in Santa.}} ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #17 December 2, 2005 I knew you would......."America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #18 December 2, 2005 Hey rushmc, how do you feel about the president paying lackeys to get legitimate news sources to spew propaganda via news outlets? QuoteYa, I am in awe of a roaring economy (unemployment below 5%, 3.4% growth, many millions of jobs created DESPITE the expectation of the impact of the huricanes, and inflation in check, the DOW at nearly 11,000) and the success of our troops in Iraq, and a LEADER that sticks to his guns despite the bullshit thrown out by the media and Dems. He has a rising approval rating (and it will get higher IMO) The first president to get re-elected with OVER 50% of the popular vote since 1978. Yep yep yep..........pretty dam ballsey From what you post, seems you have no problem with it at all, so long as it's this president. Not to mention that you seem to eat up every morsel of slop thrown at you from the right. Don't you find that it insults your intelligence when your news is cooked to your liking? Wouldn't you rather hear something more objective and decide for yourself (and I don't mean in the fox news "we report - you decide" sense)? Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #19 December 2, 2005 Worshipping some trees...I've known one person that thought her soul was kept in a tree. So I cut it down, burned it in my fire. Turns out her soul is doing well in another tree, not able to find that one as of yet. But will have a nice fire for Christmas to warm my soul, God, its a great time of year. OOPs I said God, OOps I said God again. Jesus Christ I just can't stop myself. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #20 December 2, 2005 Now *that* was fuckin' funny. Good one! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #21 December 2, 2005 QuoteHey rushmc, how do you feel about the president paying lackeys to get legitimate news sources to spew propaganda via news outlets? QuoteYa, I am in awe of a roaring economy (unemployment below 5%, 3.4% growth, many millions of jobs created DESPITE the expectation of the impact of the huricanes, and inflation in check, the DOW at nearly 11,000) and the success of our troops in Iraq, and a LEADER that sticks to his guns despite the bullshit thrown out by the media and Dems. He has a rising approval rating (and it will get higher IMO) The first president to get re-elected with OVER 50% of the popular vote since 1978. Yep yep yep..........pretty dam ballsey From what you post, seems you have no problem with it at all, so long as it's this president. Not to mention that you seem to eat up every morsel of slop thrown at you from the right. Don't you find that it insults your intelligence when your news is cooked to your liking? Wouldn't you rather hear something more objective and decide for yourself (and I don't mean in the fox news "we report - you decide" sense)? Two responces to your "post" 1)I notice that you choose to insult someone else when you do not agree with them and... 2) I think I should start an investigation as to how you are able to invade my privacy! I say this because you suggest that you know (and must watch) where I get my information You want to discuss issues and topics? I'm there. You want to make someone mad. I will ignore you"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,113 #22 December 2, 2005 >It strikes me as quite funny that "addmitting something or > making an apology some how make things "all better' to the left . . . It doesn't. But a man who never admits his mistakes can never fix them; he just keeps digging. A man who does may be able to learn from them and fix the problems he has created. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #23 December 2, 2005 I'm in awe over the hypocrisy of the media... It's ok for media tycoons to pay their journalists for controversial stories, even if they are twisted if not blatantly untrue. It's NOT ok for the military to pay journalists to show the many positive changes our presence is making in Iraq. God forbid, people may see that there is good being done over there... if the fighting were to stop, what would the media write about? Who wants to read about little Ahmed going to school to become a dentist? You have to see the irony here... the media is crying 'foul' over it's own typical behavior. Talk about the pot calling the kettle 'black'.... JShhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
masterblaster72 0 #24 December 2, 2005 QuoteTwo responces to your "post" 1)I notice that you choose to insult someone else when you do not agree with them and... 2) I think I should start an investigation as to how you are able to invade my privacy! I say this because you suggest that you know (and must watch) where I get my information You want to discuss issues and topics? I'm there. You want to make someone mad. I will ignore you If "eat every morsel of slop" is an insult to you, I'll choose a lighter metaphor next time. I sure as heck don't mean to insult you. Perhaps I should have just limited the question to just the beginning part: "Hey rushmc, how do you feel about the president paying lackeys to get legitimate news sources to spew propaganda via news outlets?" ...and left it at that. I really am curious to know your opinion on what seems to me like very un-American, dictator-like tactics by our president to manipulate the media. Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rushmc 23 #25 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteTwo responces to your "post" 1)I notice that you choose to insult someone else when you do not agree with them and... 2) I think I should start an investigation as to how you are able to invade my privacy! I say this because you suggest that you know (and must watch) where I get my information You want to discuss issues and topics? I'm there. You want to make someone mad. I will ignore you If "eat every morsel of slop" is an insult to you, I'll choose a lighter metaphor next time. I sure as heck don't mean to insult you. Perhaps I should have just limited the question to just the beginning part: "Hey rushmc, how do you feel about the president paying lackeys to get legitimate news sources to spew propaganda via news outlets?" ...and left it at that. I really am curious to know your opinion on what seems to me like very un-American, dictator-like tactics by our president to manipulate the media. I will work with this but your framing of the question is insulting in and of itself ..........lackey?.....manipulate the media..as apposed to the what other organization doing the same anyway, I understand the admin wanting to get it's story out. As for paying for it? I am not really comfortable with that but I will wait and see what comes out. In any event, if the details are factual as compared to being false what would you say about it?"America will never be destroyed from the outside, if we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves." Abraham Lincoln Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
