Do Suicides Go to Heaven?

[valcore 0]

I wanna know what you or your religion believes and why





Please keep your answers decent, as this hits me close to home.

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[CanuckInUSA 0]

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[lisamariewillbe 1]

I dont think they do, according to the king james version of the bible anyways... granted it does not matter what we feel, what do you feel? Search within yourself for the information , and within your religion to seek the answer

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[Zenister 0]

Did you just watch Constantine or something?

by your use of the word 'Heaven' you have limited yourself to a small set of possible Religions...

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[valcore 0]

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Did you just watch Constantine or something?

by your use of the word 'Heaven' you have limited yourself to a small set of possible Religions...

Ok I am not trying to leave out other religions I just don't know what others call it.

And No I did not watch Constantine, my cousins wife just hung herself.

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[jtval 0]

Sorry to hear about your cousins wife.

I'm not sure what constitutes going to heaven. the only thing I know is that I am trying to be civil to my fellow humans and live my life with as much of a smile as I can muster up.

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[Loonix 0]

they go where everyone else goes: nowhere :)

[NWFlyer 2]

I am not a religious person, so I don't have any perspective on that. However, suicide is usually the act of someone who is mentally ill. Would you believe someone who died as a result of another illness such as cancer would go to heaven? If you believe that, then perhaps you can also believe that a person who dies because of a mental illness would also go to heaven.

Sorry for your loss. Suicide is always an ugly way to lose someone.

[RkyMtnHigh 0]

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[valcore 0]

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I see Speakers Corner in the future of this thread.

Steve...do you owe beer since you predicted this one being moved to SC?
BTW...is it cccccold up there?

Please don't use this thread for your own personal humor, I just want opinions on a serious question anything else you can write it in one of my future threads.

The most terrifying words in the English language are: ‘I'm from the government and I'm here to help’. ~Ronald Reagan

30,000,000 legal firearm owners killed no one yesterday.

[jumpinfarmer 0]

This spring we (my family) had to ask the same question of the pastor of our church. Lutheran. He told us that he believes the God he knows wishes for us all to be near him and so yes they do go to Heaven.

I hope that helps.

I also am sorry for your loss and would never wish what you are now going through on anyone. I never gave much thought to suicide until it came to our family.

If you want to talk just PM me.

[LawnDart21 0]

I had a conversation with my (Catholic) priest about this topic a few years ago, as the whole thing about going to hell for committing suicide, never really sat well with me, as I always thought it the most unfair rule of the church.

My thought was always like , "okay someone's life on this planet is so bad, painful or upsetting that they feel they must take their own life, and then what happens, God punishes them by making it worse? By sending them to hell for eternity? Didn't sound too fair or compassionate to me, and I have always believed my God to be compassionate above all else.

So here is the very answer I got from my priest. He said that he did not believe that someone that commited suicide would go to hell. His reason being, was that whole "going to hell for killing yourself" was cretaed a very very very long time ago, before society's revelation of mental illnesses and how they can affect personal choice, especially, in a situation where someone commits suicide.

The priest was very clear to say that for someone to take their own life, they were obviously not in a mentally stable condition, and as such, they weren't in control mentally, hence suicide, by that light, isnt a defiant act against God. Hence it was his belief, and what he had always been taught, that you do not go to hell if you commit suicide.

If like me, you believe in the Christian God, then you can rest assured that the person you are worrying about, is most surely in heaven.

Another thing that I took from the conversation with my priest, is that there is only one single "sin" that absolutely cannot be forgiven when committed, and that is violating the trust of confession. If a priest brekas the vow of silence of a confession, that is the only sin that another priest cannot absolve.

That specific sin aside, committing "sins", premarital sex, stealing, whatever your choice of sin, is only a serious sin if it is performed in a competent mental state (deleberately) with the direct intent to hurt God by committing the sin.

Committing sin due to weakness of personal constitution (say having premarital sex if you believ that to be a sin), is entirely forgivable event, if it was not done with the direct intent to hurt God, to do it specifically to show him up, so to speak. As long as it wasnt a "I know its wrong, but I dont care, Im gonna do it anyway" kind of thing.

Lastly lastly, given God's compassionate nature, I'm betting hell is a pretty lonely, empty place, with only the worst of the worst from our existence down there (like Hitler and some day Saddam).

Hope that helps.

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[rwieder 0]

I was raised to believe in a Lutheran School (Grades Pre-k - Grade 8) That any attempt to judge someone for whatever the reason, the same judgement you impose on others wil be imposed upon you. So, i beleive we should not judge others and let the "Head Cheese" make these decisions which are his own to make.

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[Michele 1]

First, let me extend my heartfelt condolences for the suicide of your cousin's wife. How horrible for everyone involved, including her. As someone who has controlled their depression prior to being successful at it (thank God), I know how hard that fight is, and how long that road seems to be...especially if there is no outside help.

If you need to talk to someone who's been there and managed to come back, let me know. Don't hesitate to pm me, all right? I may not have answers, but I have experience, and I know how to listen.

As to whether suicides go to heaven or not, I most emphatically believe that they do. I have no specific religion I follow, but I do have a deep and intense faith. What I believe is when someone can't hang on any more and kills themselves, it is neither selfish nor condemnable.

Depression is not a failing; rather, it is a brain chemistry imbalance. Because the chemistry imbalance deals with the way we see reality, thought becomes distorted and convoluted, and one is unable to see what the rest of the world sees. If you've ever looked through old, wavy glass, that's a lot what depression is like.

As to the question do they go to heaven, one of my absolutely, all-time favorite movies is "What Dreams May Come." It is a love story that deals with death, the afterlife, suicide, and heaven/hell in an all-inclusive way. One of the best lines in it reflects my own opinion on suicide and heaven/hell: "hell is for those who can't forgive themselves, even after death." I don't believe in the classic "hell." What I do believe is that we all get to go to heaven, regardless of the manner of death. As someone above stated, those who die of cancer go to heaven, all things considered. Depression is just another illness, which can kill (and often does) when left untreated.

God is all about love. The sort of love that you and I can only imagine, can only dream about, God is. The love of a mother with her child is nothing compared to the love which God shows us daily. I think there is nothing more important to God than to bring us home to Him, to be with Him like family. God's grace and love are given to us freely; sometimes we can get it while we are here on earth, and sometimes we will get it after we die. It matters not the method of death, I don't think. What I believe is that all God wants to do is to allow us the happy, complete joy we receive, and nothing will stop Him from giving it to us. If we reject it now, it will again be offered after death.

There is nothing on this planet which can equal love truly given and received. Nothing. No materialistic item will ever bring you that depth of satisfaction, that completion. No money can buy it. No food can dispense it. No project can create it. Love simply is.

Your cousin's wife is in heaven, of that I have no doubt. Your cousin's wife is now experiencing the love she had been lacking, and is now no longer ill. She is able to see the Truth that is...and that is Love.

In your pain, you are wondering what happened, how it happened, and why it happened to her. The same questions everyone else has when a death occurs suddenly. All I can say is I am so very sorry and so very willing to listen and try to explain more if you should need it.

And may you and your cousin experience the Love that is.

Ciels-
Michele

~Do Angels keep the dreams we seek
While our hearts lie bleeding?~

[BillyVance 34]

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And No I did not watch Constantine, my cousins wife just hung herself.

I'm sorry to hear that. My condolences...

Unfortunately, most religions and bibles mention suicide as a sin. I really don't know what happens or where their souls go. I'd say that's up to God.

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[beowulf 1]

They go the same place that everyone goes. No one knows where that is. That is if they go anywhere at all. Most likely they just cease to exist. We have no reason or proof to believe anything about what happens to people after death. No one really knows anything, they just like to believe in what ever makes them feel better.

Death is a part of life. With out it how would we know how precious life really is. Light cannot exist with out darkness.

[ReBirth 0]

No, they go to the middle ring of the 7th circle of hell. They are judged slightly worse than murderers, who occupy the top ring of the 7th circle.

Suicides are turned into thorny black trees and cruely ruled over by oppresive harpies [Uniquely, among the dead, they will not be bodily reincarnated after the final judgment. While others will continue to occupy Hell (and Heaven) in corporeal (rather than merely spiritual) form, suicides—because they alienated themselves from their own bodies—spend eternity in the body of a tree, their own corpses hanging from the limbs.]

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[markd_nscr986 0]

No "Heaven"........no "Hell".........

They re-incarnate in the next life where there status/position/situation in that next life is determined by their Karmic "burden"

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[Mike111 0]

Im not religious so no i don't believe they go to heaven.

If there went anywhere im sure it would be hell.

[jumpergirl 0]

First, I am terribly sorry about your wife's cousin. My condolences to your family.

I don't believe in hell. I do believe in a heaven.

I believe we go to our heaven and can come back to Earth if we choose so. I believe suicides don't get the choice, but come back immediately to live a life similar to the one they just left, so they can make different choices and not feel suicide is the only answer.

[pirana 0]

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I had a conversation with my (Catholic) priest about this topic a few years ago, as the whole thing about going to hell for committing suicide, never really sat well with me, as I always thought it the most unfair rule of the church.

My thought was always like , "okay someone's life on this planet is so bad, painful or upsetting that they feel they must take their own life, and then what happens, God punishes them by making it worse? By sending them to hell for eternity? Didn't sound too fair or compassionate to me, and I have always believed my God to be compassionate above all else.

So here is the very answer I got from my priest. He said that he did not believe that someone that commited suicide would go to hell. His reason being, was that whole "going to hell for killing yourself" was cretaed a very very very long time ago, before society's revelation of mental illnesses and how they can affect personal choice, especially, in a situation where someone commits suicide.

The priest was very clear to say that for someone to take their own life, they were obviously not in a mentally stable condition, and as such, they weren't in control mentally, hence suicide, by that light, isnt a defiant act against God. Hence it was his belief, and what he had always been taught, that you do not go to hell if you commit suicide.

If like me, you believe in the Christian God, then you can rest assured that the person you are worrying about, is most surely in heaven.

Another thing that I took from the conversation with my priest, is that there is only one single "sin" that absolutely cannot be forgiven when committed, and that is violating the trust of confession. If a priest brekas the vow of silence of a confession, that is the only sin that another priest cannot absolve.

That specific sin aside, committing "sins", premarital sex, stealing, whatever your choice of sin, is only a serious sin if it is performed in a competent mental state (deleberately) with the direct intent to hurt God by committing the sin.

Committing sin due to weakness of personal constitution (say having premarital sex if you believ that to be a sin), is entirely forgivable event, if it was not done with the direct intent to hurt God, to do it specifically to show him up, so to speak. As long as it wasnt a "I know its wrong, but I dont care, Im gonna do it anyway" kind of thing.

Lastly lastly, given God's compassionate nature, I'm betting hell is a pretty lonely, empty place, with only the worst of the worst from our existence down there (like Hitler and some day Saddam).

Hope that helps.

The fact that you called this a rule of the church points out a certain absurdity of any authority thinking they have jurisdiction to pass this judgement.

If it's a rule, can we get it changed with a 2/3 majority?

" . . . the lust for power can be just as completely satisfied by suggesting people into loving their servitude as by flogging them and kicking them into obedience." -- Aldous Huxley

[sinker 0]

valcore,

I'm very sorry that this tragedy has happened. I'll pray for you and your family, if you don't mind.

In my own religious tradition, it is said that while the objective act of suicide is intrinsically wrong, the person committing the act may not be (and I'd add probably wouldn't be) subjectively culpable of a "sin" punishable by Hell.

What I mean is, for someone to go to Hell, they have to freely, consciously, and with malice, choose an action that they fully know is gravely wrong, such as taking a life. As a former therapist who has worked with hundreds of suicide attempters, I have yet to find even ONE person who fit that description.

All of them, ALL of them, were in some way incapable of freely making such a decision w/ malice. Depression clouded their reason or severe stress altered their judgement. If the depression or stressors were removed, these people would not have chosen to attempt to kill themselves.

In these cases, I can't help but think that God is extremely merciful to them, given the immense suffering these people endured that drove them to attempt suicide.

I hope this, at least in some small way, helps.

-the artist formerly known as sinker

[pajarito 0]

This falls in with my belief:

***Some people believe that all who commit suicide go immediately to Hell. However, the Bible never says if this is the case. The Bible is silent on this issue. God probably did not address it in black in white for a good reason. If we knew that we would still go to Heaven if we killed ourselves, there would probably be a lot more suicides taking place than there already are. However, if we knew that all who killed themselves were automatically banished to Hell, no matter what their situation, it may be too much for the grief-stricken family and friends to bear. Murder and suicide are not unpardonable sins. The only unforgivable sins are rejecting Christ (Mark 16:16) and blaspheming the Holy Spirit.

[chuteless 1]

Valcore: I have searched the scriptures, and found nothing to indicate they would be sent to Hell for a suicide. I believe that the Catholic Church says they do,

I believe that we will all stand before Jesus Christ to be judged, and if a person has followed Christ, and through faith, accepts Him as the Son of God, and lives according to God's WORD, then Christ will accept that person regardless of what sins he/she committed.

Christ died for ALL our sins, not just some of them, and that is the wonderful things to be found in the gift of God's salvation.

I truly am sorry for the loss, and if you ask God, with faith, He will take the burden from you.

I have had a similar situation, and God took it from me when I asked Him, and I was totally relieved of the hurt and burden I was carrying.

Try it, and ask it " in Jesus name" but only with faith in Him.

Bill Cole