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Could you please provide a link to where Bill said to Boycott these stores? In your first post you claim "Recently O'Reilly called for a boycott of stores that refuse to refer to the holiday as "christmas" and use "happy holidays" or whatever, all part of his 'Christmas Crusade.' "

I was watching the Factor last night and he claims that while others have called for he boycott, that he has done no such thing. Also my impression is that he has no problem with the work Holiday so much as people who refuse to use the word Christmas. He wishes Happy Holidays, Hanukkah, and Merry Christmas. Just confused my your rant. We all use the word Holiday's. But some refuse to use the word Christmas at all. It seems to me this is what O'reilly has a problem with.



Oh, thats just Bill being argumentative. Further investigation into this false allegation shows that the Vermont Teddy Bear comes in several different versions such as The Chanukka Bear, Christmas Bear, Birthday Bear, Redneck Bear, and a Sugar Plum Bear. Heck, the Redneck Bear could be a gift during Nascar. With such a wide variety to choose from added to the fact they have a Christmas Bear, I see no hypocracy. In fact, the desciption of Holiday gifts seems to be most accurate and to advertise them as strictly Christmas gifts, misleading and offensive.


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O'Reilly is just grandstanding.



WHAT?!?!? Get the fuck out of here. :o



Shhhhhh.... don't ecourage him. Next thing you know he'll be telling us Lincoln and Washington weren't born on Presidents Day.



Oh the humanity. Say it ain't so.

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>Could you please provide a link to where Bill said to Boycott these stores?

Here's the relevant quote:

O'REILLY: Here's what we found out: Sears/Kmart would not answer our questions. Spokesman Chris Braithwaite simply ducked the issue. Their website banners: "Wish Book Holiday 2005." They were the worst we had to deal with. OK? Sears/Kmart. JCPenney says its catalog is always called "Christmas catalog." Federated Department Stores -- Macy's, Bloomingdale's, Burdines -- says the words "Merry Christmas" will be used in most advertising. Same thing at May, Filene's, Lord & Taylor, and Marshall Field's. But Kohl's refused to define how the company will deal with Christmas. Dillard's, however, will use the slogan "Discover Christmas, Discover Dillard's." So there you go. Shop where you like the atmosphere. Just remember, Kohl's and Sears/Kmart basically not all right.

>and he claims that while others have called for he boycott, that he
>has done no such thing.

Right! He claims he never told any guests to "shut up" too.

> But some refuse to use the word Christmas at all. It seems to me
> this is what O'reilly has a problem with.

Nope. See above. He is offended that some stores label this season "the holiday season."

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Though I believe this is hypocritical of O'Reilly, to be fair... O'reilly has not started a boycott on any retailer because of this. He did start a list of places he wouldn't shop, but not a boycott.

The only boycott O'reilly is running is that of FRANCE... and come on Bill, you can understand that one right?

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Here's the relevant quote:

Snip> Shop where you like the atmosphere. Just remember, Kohl's and Sears/Kmart basically not all right.


Thanks for clearing up that he did not infact tell anyone to boycott these stores. He gave the info for the veiwers to decide. He is more than welcome to his opinion that "Kohl's and Sears/Kmart basically not all right."



> But some refuse to use the word Christmas at all. It seems to me
> this is what O'reilly has a problem with.

Nope. See above. He is offended that some stores label this season "the holiday season."



What the fuck Bill? How can you not see that he is implying a refusal to use the word Christmas? If they said Merry Christmas and a happy holiday season it would be different. He is entitled to his opinion. I have seen nothing that says he recommends not to shop at a store that sells a "holiday ornament". He uses the word holiday himself quite a bit. Tell me again how he is being hypocritical? Because he has a Holiday ornament on his Christmas tree? You can spin it all you want Bill. Doesn't mean it's going to make sense though.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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>Thanks for clearing up that he did not infact tell anyone to boycott these stores.

So, he doesn't say it so it's not implied. Gotcha.

>How can you not see that he is implying a refusal to use the word Christmas?

So, he doesn't say it so it IS implied. Gotcha.

For a little more illumination on his opinion on this:
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O'REILLY: There's a lot of emotion -- and I can hear it in your voice too, caller. There's a lot of emotion tied into Christmas. You know why? Because it's our earliest Christmas memories. You know, I have a memory of me sitting on my stairs in my Levittown house, four rooms, and looking at this Christmas tree about 5:30 in the morning, my parents were still asleep, my sister was still asleep. And I just stood -- I just sat on the stairs and stared at that Christmas tree with all the gifts underneath. That is one of my earliest memories; maybe I was three, maybe four. OK? And I -- it was such a magical time for me as a child. It was just magic. The whole thing was magical. I never felt better as a kid than I did at Christmas time. I loved everything about Christmas. And I submit to you that 80 percent of Americans feel the way that I do. All right? That they just remember as a child the joy the season brought.

I am not going to let oppressive, totalitarian, anti-Christian forces in this country diminish and denigrate the holiday and the celebration. I am not going to let it happen. I'm gonna use all the power that I have on radio and television to bring horror into the world of people who are trying to do that. And we have succeeded. You know we've succeeded. They are on the run in corporations, in the media, everywhere. They are on the run, because I will put their face and their name on television, and I will talk about them on the radio if they do it. There is no reason on this earth that all of us cannot celebrate a public holiday devoted to generosity, peace, and love together. There is no reason on the earth that we can't do that. So we are going to do it. And anyone who tries to stop us from doing it is gonna face me.
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To hell with the liberal rhetoric over my choice of words. Why so much hate to keep spinning to suit you?


In response to the rest that you posted....

Ok that is his opinion. I have no problem with him having an opinion. I just can't see how you get off calling him a hypocrite because SOME of the items at Fox's store say Holiday?

You don't think Macy's has anything in their store that says "Holiday" on it. J.C.Penney's "Christmas Catalog has no holiday items in it? WTF? My Christmas tree has a holiday ornament on it.

I used to consider myself an Independent years ago, but with the pure sleazy spin some liberals spew it drove me to the right. Of course some of the Republicans do the same but I am not sure I have met an intelligent yet honest liberal yet.
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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O'REILLY: There's a lot of emotion -- and I can hear it in your voice too, caller. There's a lot of emotion tied into Christmas. You know why? Because it's our earliest Christmas memories. You know, I have a memory of me sitting on my stairs in my Levittown house, four rooms, and looking at this Christmas tree about 5:30 in the morning, my parents were still asleep, my sister was still asleep. And I just stood -- I just sat on the stairs and stared at that Christmas tree with all the gifts underneath. That is one of my earliest memories; maybe I was three, maybe four. OK? And I -- it was such a magical time for me as a child. It was just magic. The whole thing was magical. I never felt better as a kid than I did at Christmas time. I loved everything about Christmas. And I submit to you that 80 percent of Americans feel the way that I do. All right? That they just remember as a child the joy the season brought.

I am not going to let oppressive, totalitarian, anti-Christian forces in this country diminish and denigrate the holiday and the celebration. I am not going to let it happen. I'm gonna use all the power that I have on radio and television to bring horror into the world of people who are trying to do that. And we have succeeded. You know we've succeeded. They are on the run in corporations, in the media, everywhere. They are on the run, because I will put their face and their name on television, and I will talk about them on the radio if they do it. There is no reason on this earth that all of us cannot celebrate a public holiday devoted to generosity, peace, and love together. There is no reason on the earth that we can't do that. So we are going to do it. And anyone who tries to stop us from doing it is gonna face me.



Isn't America great? We allow free speech on public radio as long as the rules of the FCC are followed.

I say GOOD_FOR_HIM!!!

The Secular-Progressives started this war. And now we're saying "Bring it on!" Did you hear that Tom Newdow...or whatever the fuck your name is? BTW, Newdow, your predecessor Madelyn Murray-O'Hare ended up being a pile of bones lost in the desert.

I've said it before and I'll say it again; Anyone who gets so disturbed when they pass the town common and see a creche, star of David or any other 'Holiday' display needs serious psychological counseling or perhaps spiritual counseling as their conscience is tweaking them real hard.

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I've said it before and I'll say it again; Anyone who gets so disturbed when they pass the town common and see a creche, star of David or any other 'Holiday' display needs serious psychological counseling or perhaps spiritual counseling as their conscience is tweaking them real hard.

Chris



And I will say THIS again: Anyone who gets disturbed over the LACK of such items should join up and get that counseling as well.

If the lack of publicly displayed items (in stores or otherwise)of a particular holiday affects the way YOU (the proverbial you) celebrate with family and friends, then perhaps you need to reevaluate yourself.

Worrying about the way Macy's phrases holiday displays or the way a city designates its decorations is such a fucking waste of time when one should be focused on what the holidays are actually for: friends, family, and life.
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>Why so much hate to keep spinning to suit you?

You got that off a blog, didn't you, you sly devil?

>Ok that is his opinion. I have no problem with him having an opinion.

Nor do I. He can say whatever he wants. So can I.

His latest attack was against Jon Stewart of Comedy Central fame for not celebrating Christmas, for turning it into (in O'Reilly's words) "Secular Central." The nerve of Stewart! A Jew, not celebrating Christmas!

I think it's funny that people like O'Reilly have had to manufacture a 'war on Christmas' just to have something to rail about.

>Of course some of the Republicans do the same but I am not sure I
>have met an intelligent yet honest liberal yet.

I'm a liberal; I guess I have to figure out whether I'm stupid or a liar, eh?

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I'm a liberal; I guess I have to figure out whether I'm stupid or a liar, eh?

Well, we all know you're smart, so you must be a liar.

Did you ever tell your teacher the dog ate your homework? Did you ever fail to tell someone that they were dressed poorly that day when they asked you if they looked OK (hey -- lying by omission is still lying). Did you ever say to a girl "no that doesn't make you look fat" when it did?:D

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>so you must be a liar.

You're right. I once had a true student from hell, and I told him, "OK, you landed safely, good job. Now about that cutaway . . ."

> Did you ever say to a girl "no that doesn't make you look fat" when it did?

Amy and her sister were getting ready to go to the airport one night when Amy's jumpsuit arrived by Fedex. She had to try it on of course. She asked me "does this jumpsuit make me look fat?" I told her "it's not the jumpsuit." Her sister froze with her mouth open, then laughed nervously. She thought I was a complete loser until Amy explained later.

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You got that off a blog, didn't you, you sly devil?



please explain what this means? What is a blog? Is this a personal attack?

You or I have every right to dislike O'Reilly. But to call him a Hypocrite because FOX has SOME things on their site labled "holiday" is pure liberal bullshit. So long as they are not boycotting the use of "Christmas" it would seem to meet his standards.


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"I'm a liberal; I guess I have to figure out whether I'm stupid or a liar, eh?



If you wish. I surely don't think your stupid though.

p.s. please be sure to use the twisted liberal defenition of "liar" although I never used such a word
That spot isn't bad at all, the winds were strong and that was the issue! It was just on the downwind side.

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>You or I have every right to dislike O'Reilly. But to call him a Hypocrite
>because FOX has SOME things on their site labled "holiday" is pure
> liberal bullshit.

Nope. I'm calling him a hypocrite because HE claims that using "holiday" instead of "christmas" is all part of the "war on christmas" - despite the fact that the website of his network does the same. It's the classic "do as I say,
not as I do" mentality that's pervaded the conservative talking heads lately.

His latest nonsense:

"In Plano, Texas, just north of Dallas, the school told students they couldn't wear red and green because they were Christmas colors. That's flat-out fascism. If I were a student in Plano, I'd be a walking Christmas tree after that order. Have a little thing on my head."

Needless to say, that's not true. But I would like to see him with a little thing on his head.

>please be sure to use the twisted liberal defenition of "liar" . . .

Perhaps we need a new word for when a conservative tells an untruth. Conservatives so dislike the word "lie" when it is applied to them. Perhaps O'Reilly is a "purveyor of things untrue?" Perhaps he is just veracity-challenged. (Can you get a handicapped parking sticker for that?)

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