gemini 0 #76 December 6, 2005 They may be antonyms Bill, but I have known some very brave men who were also cowards if they had to face their wives after a night of drinking. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #77 December 6, 2005 QuoteIf a man commits to an act that he knows will result in his death he may be a hero to his people if they feel his cause was just. I see a thread cross. - If a man gets killed for smuggling drugs in a country with the death penalty for that. Is he considered brave by addicts - even a hero? Does it matter if there are signs up warning him about the law? ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
gemini 0 #78 December 6, 2005 Unfortunately even criminals can be seen as heros to their peers and families (eg., professing to steal from the rich and give to the poor), but to the society at large they are just criminals. Blue skies, Jim Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
windcatcher 0 #79 December 6, 2005 I believe they were cowards, because instead of trying to solve a problem with discussion or some other form, the hijackers thought they would solve something by killing a bunch of Americans. I don't believe just killing themselves and others for their beliefs was an act of bravery--no one was forcing them to live without their beliefs or die. Mother to the cutest little thing in the world... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #80 December 6, 2005 QuoteI believe they were cowards, because instead of trying to solve a problem with discussion or some other form, the hijackers thought they would solve something by killing a bunch of Americans. I don't believe just killing themselves and others for their beliefs was an act of bravery--no one was forcing them to live without their beliefs or die. If that was a valid argument, what could be said about fallen U.S. soldiers in Iraq? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,589 #81 December 6, 2005 They were not cowards by the dictionary definition (in Webster at least): "one who shows disgraceful fear or timidity." However, the act could be seen as cowardly "often implies behavior that is both cowardly and treacherous or skulking or outrageous " But there are a lot of descriptions. There are equally interpretable entries for "brave." Either way, the act sucked, but as individuals it would be hard to say they were cowards. Of course, I can make coward mean anything I want to (kind of like Humpty Dumpty), but that takes this discussion into -- wait, it's already there Wendy W. Edited to add: Sudsy, your current Delay avatar is cowardly. In the nicest possible way There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #82 December 6, 2005 QuoteEdited to add: Sudsy, your current Delay avatar is cowardly. In the nicest possible way There's nothing cowardly about a gem of a police mugshot like his. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites kallend 2,150 #83 December 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteEdited to add: Sudsy, your current Delay avatar is cowardly. In the nicest possible way There's nothing cowardly about a gem of a police mugshot like his. Shouldn't there be some kind of ID across the bottom?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites SudsyFist 0 #84 December 6, 2005 QuoteShouldn't there be some kind of ID across the bottom? They might do that electronically where he was booked. Or perhaps it was cropped out before CNN posted it. Or maybe they don't need to if you smile (fuck, shoulda tried that). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites billvon 3,120 #85 December 6, 2005 >I don't believe just killing themselves and others for their beliefs >was an act of bravery--no one was forcing them to live without their >beliefs or die. Again, I think you may be confusing "good" with "brave." They were not good in any sense of the word. But they were brave by the definition of the word. They faced danger without flinching back from it. Had they flinched away from it, the WTC would still be standing today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites nacmacfeegle 0 #86 December 7, 2005 "old decript housing," You forgot our obviously inadequate education system.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Prev 1 2 3 4 Next Page 4 of 4 Join the conversation You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible. Reply to this topic... × Pasted as rich text. Paste as plain text instead Only 75 emoji are allowed. × Your link has been automatically embedded. Display as a link instead × Your previous content has been restored. Clear editor × You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL. Insert image from URL × Desktop Tablet Phone Submit Reply 0
kallend 2,150 #83 December 6, 2005 QuoteQuoteEdited to add: Sudsy, your current Delay avatar is cowardly. In the nicest possible way There's nothing cowardly about a gem of a police mugshot like his. Shouldn't there be some kind of ID across the bottom?... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #84 December 6, 2005 QuoteShouldn't there be some kind of ID across the bottom? They might do that electronically where he was booked. Or perhaps it was cropped out before CNN posted it. Or maybe they don't need to if you smile (fuck, shoulda tried that). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,120 #85 December 6, 2005 >I don't believe just killing themselves and others for their beliefs >was an act of bravery--no one was forcing them to live without their >beliefs or die. Again, I think you may be confusing "good" with "brave." They were not good in any sense of the word. But they were brave by the definition of the word. They faced danger without flinching back from it. Had they flinched away from it, the WTC would still be standing today. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
nacmacfeegle 0 #86 December 7, 2005 "old decript housing," You forgot our obviously inadequate education system.-------------------- He who receives an idea from me, receives instruction himself without lessening mine; as he who lights his taper at mine, receives light without darkening me. Thomas Jefferson Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
