rwieder 0 #76 December 1, 2005 You replied to my thoughts with a civil tongue in you head, i appreciate that more than you'll ever know. You do raise some valid points which i find myself agreeing with. The fact is, if anyone burns another countries flag, or our own it is the epitomy of contempt, hate and dishonor for whichever country is recievieng the afore mentioned action. In the movie "Rules of engaugement" The first thing Samuel L. Jackson does is retrieve the bullet ridden flag from high atop the flagpole of the US embassy roof, and made sure the US embassador had the flag in his possession before they took off in the bird. That's what the flag means to me, or should mean to everyone who is an american citizen. The flag is merely an icon, but one for which millions have given their lives for without question, and without regard for their own lives. This should be considered by anyone who has a mind to burn anyone's country flag. If anyone should burn a flag, they may as well shit on everyone's memory and effort they put forth to protect the very thing for which they gave their lives fo so others may live.-Richard- "You're Holding The Rope And I'm Taking The Fall" Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #77 December 1, 2005 QuoteThat's what the flag means to me, Cool... Quoteor should mean to everyone who is an american citizen. Doh! This is where you start holding your beliefs as a standard for others. Uncool. QuoteThe flag is merely an icon, but one for which millions have given their lives for without question, and without regard for their own lives. I dare to make the educated guess that the vast majority of those who gave their lives did so not for the icon, not for the cloth, not for the flag. They did so for their country. They did so for their buddies. They did so because they were doing what they were told. Plethora of reasons... I know it's so much easier to have a single, simple reason, but please bear with me here. Just as the reasons for which the many have given their lives in uniform are highly subjective, so is the perception of what a flag is to someone: highly subjective and highly personal. What it means to you is absolutely not what it means to everyone else. Diversity is a beautiful thing. So, to some, it's a paltry piece of cloth with dyes and patterns that serves as soft butt wipe when they've run out of Charmin. Fine. To others, it's a tool to make a point -- sometimes to proclaim patriotism, and other times to announce dissent. Fine, too. Let them do what they will. Freedom is a beautiful thing. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SkyDekker 1,465 #78 December 1, 2005 QuoteThat's very funny. However, it's a serious matter to a great many people who put their lives in danger every day to secure your freedom which that piece of cloth represents. I have always wondered how many of them would still do that if they got absolutely no remuneration for it? No paycheck, no education assistance, just a bunk and some food. (and before people start yelling, I don't mean to imply soldiers are in it for the money, I know they don't get that much) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
shropshire 0 #79 December 1, 2005 QuoteThanks You're welcome. ..... I dont remember any of my mates that I served with waving flags, either real or hypothetical. We just did a job of work. BTW this is the SC any questions raised here will not change the course of the world. No Earth shattering revalations were exposed in the posting of this text (or any other text) to this forum.... (.)Y(.) Chivalry is not dead; it only sleeps for want of work to do. - Jerome K Jerome Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
pajarito 0 #80 December 2, 2005 QuoteQuoteThat's very funny. However, it's a serious matter to a great many people who put their lives in danger every day to secure your freedom which that piece of cloth represents. I have always wondered how many of them would still do that if they got absolutely no remuneration for it? No paycheck, no education assistance, just a bunk and some food. (and before people start yelling, I don't mean to imply soldiers are in it for the money, I know they don't get that much) I don't think it's unreasonable for them to expect to get paid. It's only fair (even with as little as they get). I don't think that reflects on any lack of true patriotism. I can tell you that money was NEVER the primary concern for me. It was all about the guys on my team and the job. I loved it and miss it a lot. I would have still jumped from planes, played with all sorts of weapons, and blown shit up for just a bunk and some food (at least for a while). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #81 December 2, 2005 Here's another Welsh export: Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #82 December 3, 2005 damn, only in Speakers Corner could I kill a thread by posting a pic of a hot chick w/ big boobies. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #83 December 3, 2005 Quotedamn, only in Speakers Corner could I kill a thread by posting a pic of a hot chick w/ big boobies. Nah, it's just a trick of the lens.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #84 December 3, 2005 A "trick of the lenz" ??? WTF? That is Lorna Morgan!! Her boobs are byond dispute! OK, if there's anyone who can get away from bashing Bush/Clinton/Kerry or whatever else , I will, at anyone's request, post more REVEALING posts of the Welsh Hottie Lorna. Unless yer alll a buncha repressed homos & don't wanna see some AMAZING boobies....but that couldn't be the case here in speakers corner, now could it? Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SpeedRacer 1 #85 December 3, 2005 fags. Speed Racer -------------------------------------------------- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
SudsyFist 0 #86 December 3, 2005 Quotefags. Show me the money! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #87 December 3, 2005 QuoteYou replied to my thoughts with a civil tongue in you head, i appreciate that more than you'll ever know. You do raise some valid points which i find myself agreeing with. The fact is, if anyone burns another countries flag, or our own it is the epitomy of contempt, hate and dishonor for whichever country is recievieng the afore mentioned action. In the movie "Rules of engaugement" The first thing Samuel L. Jackson does is retrieve the bullet ridden flag from high atop the flagpole of the US embassy roof, and made sure the US embassador had the flag in his possession before they took off in the bird. That's what the flag means to me, or should mean to everyone who is an american citizen. The flag is merely an icon, but one for which millions have given their lives for without question, and without regard for their own lives. This should be considered by anyone who has a mind to burn anyone's country flag. If anyone should burn a flag, they may as well shit on everyone's memory and effort they put forth to protect the very thing for which they gave their lives fo so others may live. Barbara FrietchieMike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #88 December 3, 2005 QuoteYou replied to my thoughts with a civil tongue in you head, i appreciate that more than you'll ever know. You do raise some valid points which i find myself agreeing with. The fact is, if anyone burns another countries flag, or our own it is the epitomy of contempt, hate and dishonor for whichever country is recievieng the afore mentioned action. Well, that is probably why they do it - to get a rise out of people who think like you. Quote In the movie "Rules of engaugement" The first thing Samuel L. Jackson does is retrieve the bullet ridden flag from high atop the flagpole of the US embassy roof, and made sure the US embassador had the flag in his possession before they took off in the bird. That's what the flag means to me, or should mean to everyone who is an american citizen. The flag is merely an icon, but one for which millions have given their lives for without question, and without regard for their own lives. This should be considered by anyone who has a mind to burn anyone's country flag. If anyone should burn a flag, they may as well shit on everyone's memory and effort they put forth to protect the very thing for which they gave their lives fo so others may live. I wouldn't think a Hollywood movie is the greatest source of moral certitude about anything.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rickjump1 0 #89 December 4, 2005 QuoteQuoteYou replied to my thoughts with a civil tongue in you head, i appreciate that more than you'll ever know. You do raise some valid points which i find myself agreeing with. The fact is, if anyone burns another countries flag, or our own it is the epitomy of contempt, hate and dishonor for whichever country is recievieng the afore mentioned action. Well, that is probably why they do it - to get a rise out of people who think like you. Quote In the movie "Rules of engaugement" The first thing Samuel L. Jackson does is retrieve the bullet ridden flag from high atop the flagpole of the US embassy roof, and made sure the US embassador had the flag in his possession before they took off in the bird. That's what the flag means to me, or should mean to everyone who is an american citizen. The flag is merely an icon, but one for which millions have given their lives for without question, and without regard for their own lives. This should be considered by anyone who has a mind to burn anyone's country flag. If anyone should burn a flag, they may as well shit on everyone's memory and effort they put forth to protect the very thing for which they gave their lives fo so others may live. I wouldn't think a Hollywood movie is the greatest source of moral certitude about anything. Probably not, but unfortunately this is the only moral certitude some get these days. Some producers do try to authenicate history. Maybe it's just bits and pieces like raising the flag on Iwo Jima (they used real combat film on that one).Do your part for global warming: ban beans and hold all popcorn farts. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
artistcalledian 0 #90 December 4, 2005 i get a hard on when i see the Stars and Stripes, i have to stand to attention, put my hand over my heart and start crying.... but then i'm a wanker, so it's to be expected________________________________________ drive it like you stole it and f*ck the police Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,114 #91 December 4, 2005 Quote... but then i'm a wanker, so it's to be expected Thank you so much for sharing that. I doubt that anyone here would have guessed.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
billvon 3,085 #92 December 6, 2005 WARNING - this may make some right wingers heads explode: ------------------ WASHINGTON (AP) _ Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is supporting new legislation to criminalize desecration of the United States flag - though she still opposes a constitutional ban on flag attacks. Clinton, D-N.Y., has agreed to co-sponsor a measure by Republican Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah, which has been written in hopes of surviving any constitutional challenge following a 2003 Supreme Court ruling on the subject. Her support of Bennett's bill follows her position in Congress last summer, when a constitutional ban on flag-burning was debated. Clinton said then she didn't support a constitutional ban, but did support federal legislation making it a crime to desecrate the flag. ------------------ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #93 December 6, 2005 QuoteWARNING - this may make some right left wingers heads explode: ------------------ WASHINGTON (AP) _ Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is supporting new legislation to criminalize desecration of the United States flag - though she still opposes a constitutional ban on flag attacks. Clinton, D-N.Y., has agreed to co-sponsor a measure by Republican Sen. Bob Bennett of Utah, which has been written in hopes of surviving any constitutional challenge following a 2003 Supreme Court ruling on the subject. Her support of Bennett's bill follows her position in Congress last summer, when a constitutional ban on flag-burning was debated. Clinton said then she didn't support a constitutional ban, but did support federal legislation making it a crime to desecrate the flag. ------------------ Fixed that for you. I don't support any law or Constitutional Amendment making it illegal to burn the flag. I support a persons right to make an idiot of themselves. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #94 December 6, 2005 I think that right wingers and left wingers would explode on this - it's a bill to restrict property rights (my flag, I can do what I want with it). And to restrict free speech (as GM said, as stupid as it is, people can express themselves in this way). Both are against the principles (private property and free speech) of the right wing. And the restriction of stupid free speech is against the principles of the left wing. Even if they aren't too concerned about property rights. I'm not quite sure who Hillary and Bennett are kissing up to. Mistake for both. Maybe they are showing she can draft proposals in a bi-partisan way before voting against it later - ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
wmw999 2,556 #95 December 6, 2005 Quote I'm not quite sure who Hillary and Bennett are kissing up to. Mistake for both. Maybe they are showing she can draft proposals in a bi-partisan way before voting against it later Ain't politics wonderful? I support the right of congresscritters to submit stupid legislation -- it gives intelligent voters more information with which to make informed decisions. The left-winger's head might not explode at that legislation, but it'd sure be pissed off. Wendy W.There is nothing more dangerous than breaking a basic safety rule and getting away with it. It removes fear of the consequences and builds false confidence. (tbrown) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
rehmwa 2 #96 December 6, 2005 QuoteAin't politics wonderful? I support the right of congresscritters to submit stupid legislation -- it gives intelligent voters more information with which to make informed decisions. I'm sending you flowers some day. ... Driving is a one dimensional activity - a monkey can do it - being proud of your driving abilities is like being proud of being able to put on pants Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
EricTheRed 0 #97 December 6, 2005 QuoteI support a persons right to make an idiot of themselves. Agreed. And I think that she did just that. I did have a small amount of respect for her prior to this but that has now been removed.illegible usually Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
