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Sure, why not have more stoner kids who will be lazier than they were before, who won't get jobs they could have gotten otherwise, who very well may flush a future down the toilet they could have had? It makes total sense to make pot more easily available to kids!

No no no, they will pass a new law saying you have to be 18 to buy. That really stopped me from buying a pack of cig's when I was in high school.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Real life case as shown that in countries that have more liberal attitudes towards mj have fewer underage smokers than countries that have stringent mj laws. The fear of legalization, to those who have an extremely limited knowledge of mj, is that if legal, even if only for medical reasons, the youth of this nation will fall victim to the devil's weed. That argument goes all the way back to the days of Harry Jacob Anslinger. Consider the millions upon millions of people whom have smoked. Consider the arguement. The arguement does not hold water as millions upon millions of people who have smoked lead perfectly normal lives. They did not become crazed dope fiends. A much larger section of the population have become addicts to narcotics through legal pharmetcutical drugs from their doctor. There is absolutely no evidence that links mj to narcotic addiction. It has not been proven to be a gateway drug. In fact the majority of the population started with alcohol and tobacco. Not marijuana.
Why not legalization? Given the fact that each year more and more people will try mj for the first time even though the government forbids. Given the fact that current prohibition is a complete failure and has wasted billions of dollars and millions upon millions still smoke regardless it is an utter waste of resources to continue with a policy that has produced absolutely zero in positve results. I am not surprised that some people still buy into the government bogus "evidence" that mj is the root of all that is evil despite the vast amount of proven evidence that mj is in fact the most versatile plant ever known to mankind. I will testify to its healing effects as I use it to combat AIDS wasting. I have however not smoked any in quite awhile and I see and feel the effect of not doing so. I often go two to four days without eating and have lost an considerable amount of weight. Given my current counts, this is extremely dangerous to my health. When I do smoke, I eat two to three times a day and I am able to keep my weight above 160. I am currently above 140 and feel like hell. Personaly I do care what others think of mj. I hope that more and more people will see past the lies of those who wish to lock up those who utilize this remarkable plant for medical, recreational, industrial (one can go to prison solely for planting hemp) and any other beneficial reason. The end of prohibition is long overdue.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Real life case as shown that in countries that have more liberal attitudes towards mj have fewer underage smokers than countries that have stringent mj laws

Sweet- so instead of just having someone smoking they are stoned instead. Sounds like a great payoff.

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There is absolutely no evidence that links mj to narcotic addiction. It has not been proven to be a gateway drug. In fact the majority of the population started with alcohol and tobacco. Not marijuana.

So are you saying that because alcohol and tobacco are legal and easier to get thats why most people started with them?

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Given the fact that each year more and more people will try mj for the first time even though the government forbids.

So since people just ignore the law we should abolish it?

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Given the fact that current prohibition is a complete failure and has wasted billions of dollars and millions upon millions still smoke regardless it is an utter waste of resources to continue with a policy that has produced absolutely zero in positve results.

Trying to keep kids and people off drugs is a complete waste of money? I got the message when I was young and to this day have never used. Would you consider that a waste of money for having a program that has helped keep me clean my life. How about this, lets legalize everything, coke, heroine, crack, meth everything, but then not 1 dollar of our tax money will have to be put into rehab clinics. That should make evryone happy. Then they could just stay home stoned and not have to work. Oh almost forgot. no welfare for those people who use either.

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I am not surprised that some people still buy into the government bogus "evidence" that mj is the root of all that is evil despite the vast amount of proven evidence that mj is in fact the most versatile plant ever known to mankind

Oh come on. You make it sound like it is the cure to every ailment that has ever been discovered. Most people smoke it just to get baked. Nothing else or more.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Trying to keep kids and people off drugs is a complete waste of money? I got the message when I was young and to this day have never used. Would you consider that a waste of money for having a program that has helped keep me clean my life. How about this, lets legalize everything, coke, heroine, crack, meth everything, but then not 1 dollar of our tax money will have to be put into rehab clinics. That should make evryone happy. Then they could just stay home stoned and not have to work. Oh almost forgot. no welfare for those people who use either.

Dude, just take a look at the facts on countries where mj is decrimininalized and THEN come back and try to argue against it. You will find that making weed legal is not the end of society as we know it.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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You are cluesless why waste my time with you.

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You are cluesless why waste my time with you.

I am clueless because I dont think like you? I would like to understand why this drug would be soooo great to legalize. Please educate me.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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You are cluesless why waste my time with you.

I am clueless because I dont think like you? I would like to understand why this drug would be soooo great to legalize. Please educate me.

Forget him. Do exactly what I said and learn yourself. I have had this debate with too many people to repeat it here and the facts on other countries don't lie.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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Dude, just take a look at the facts on countries where mj is decrimininalized and THEN come back and try to argue against it. You will find that making weed legal is not the end of society as we know it.

Ok so what exactly that I am looking for? Is the IQ level higher in these states or what. What is it about these countries that is made so great by making weed legal.

If you find yourself in a fair fight, your tactics suck!

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Dude, just take a look at the facts on countries where mj is decrimininalized and THEN come back and try to argue against it. You will find that making weed legal is not the end of society as we know it.

Ok so what exactly that I am looking for? Is the IQ level higher in these states or what. What is it about these countries that is made so great by making weed legal.

I never said anything about greatness. But you will find that decriminalizing not only brings in revenue to the state, but also removes alot of the black market. And by decriminlizing and even regulation, the State can control the quality. You would probably alos find that crime is no greater because it is legal.

In addition, from personals stays in countries that have decriminalized, I have found the people to be much more relaxed about drug usage. And I do not mean because they are stoned, but that they don't see using MJ as a big deal and so the result is that they end up using less. And because it is not some big bad thing for children to defy their parents, they are less likely to abuse it.

Go to Amsterdam. Outside of the Red District, it is a very calm and tranquil city.

The bottom line is that people will continue to use marijuana legal or not. Weed is no more (and in fact less) harmful than alcohol and yet we tolerate the latter so much more in this country. Hell, getting drunk as a kid is a "rite of passage" but getting high usually earns some horrible stigma that should not apply.

The idea is not to simply legalize something because people are doing it, but it make the law be realistic...especially in comparison to alcohol which certainly kills FAR more people than MJ.

So I ask you this: why do YOU think weed should stay illegal while alcohol remains legal?

The status quo is not always correct.

Why yes, my license number is a palindrome. Thank you for noticing.

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You are so mis-informed. Most of your replies to my post are without point. Such as....
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Real life case as shown that in countries that have more liberal attitudes towards mj have fewer underage smokers than countries that have stringent mj laws

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Sweet- so instead of just having someone smoking they are stoned instead. Sounds like a great payoff.
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My point is obvious, decriminalization removes the mystique and taboo. Countries that have done so have seen a dramatic decrease in use amongst the underage. As with states that allows medical use, there has been no increase in useage amongst teens. This really irks the anti-mj crowd as it lays waste to the arguement of "what kind of message are we sending the kids". All the while they are perfectly fine with shoving Ritalin down a kids throat.

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There is absolutely no evidence that links mj to narcotic addiction. It has not been proven to be a gateway drug. In fact the majority of the population started with alcohol and tobacco. Not marijuana.

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So are you saying that because alcohol and tobacco are legal and easier to get thats why most people started with them?
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Not at all. I am only stating what is fact. Look it up, if you do not believe me. Also what is fact is that many never go beyond alcohol and tobacco so it would also be unjust to claim that those substances are gateway drugs. So for the anti-mj crowd to claim that mj turns kids into heroin addicts is also unjust.
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Given the fact that each year more and more people will try mj for the first time even though the government forbids.

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So since people just ignore the law we should abolish it?
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Absolutely. Being that personal use is a victimless crime and only a crime due to an ill-informed public starting in 1914 in El Paso, Tx.. The "marijuana tax stamp act of 1937" was voted in with no debate as it was not open to such. Since that time the Feds have waged an all out war on mj. Imagine if every single person, who has used mj, were to be arrested and convicted. The majority have spoken and wish to stop seeing otherwise law abiding people being arrested for something that harms absolutely no one. ( don't fire back with the lame arguement..."This is the joint that jane smoked... down to...this is the child that died in a drug war because of the joint that Jane smoked". Any child who died due to marijuana smuggling died solely because of the legislation that created the blackmarket for mj)
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Given the fact that current prohibition is a complete failure and has wasted billions of dollars and millions upon millions still smoke regardless it is an utter waste of resources to continue with a policy that has produced absolutely zero in positve results.

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Trying to keep kids and people off drugs is a complete waste of money? I got the message when I was young and to this day have never used. Would you consider that a waste of money for having a program that has helped keep me clean my life. How about this, lets legalize everything, coke, heroine, crack, meth everything, but then not 1 dollar of our tax money will have to be put into rehab clinics. That should make evryone happy. Then they could just stay home stoned and not have to work. Oh almost forgot. no welfare for those people who use either.
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Again with the rhetoric. I take it, from your age, that you went through the D.A.R.E. program. Oh by the way, from the governments own statistics, has a higher failure rate than success. That is fine that you have never used. No one who is for legalization is screaming for everyone to smoke. It is quite the oppisite. Our arguement is that education (not the bullshit put out by DARE) will do far greater good than locking people up for something that harms no one. As for your remark alluding that pot smokers are lazy. Again with your rhetoric. Everyone I know, who smoke, are hard working, successful people who have also raised families and have contributed greatly to society by being just ordinary people, living ordinary lives. If you did not know personnaly that they smoked, you would never know that they did so. As for your statement about crack, meth and no money for the rehab centers... I will not reply to has it makes no sense whatsoever.
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I am not surprised that some people still buy into the government bogus "evidence" that mj is the root of all that is evil despite the vast amount of proven evidence that mj is in fact the most versatile plant ever known to mankind

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Oh come on. You make it sound like it is the cure to every ailment that has ever been discovered. Most people smoke it just to get baked. Nothing else or more.
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Again you are in an area in which you truely show your ignorance. I for one, no longer use mj to get "high" as it has helped me to maintain weight. I veiw the ignorant who wish to keep this plant from those who benefit as criminal. You should not be so fast as to put this plant in a locked cage as you may someday benefit yourself from one of the new medications that are coming forth. It is proven beyond doubt to help stroke victims, AIDS wasting, MS pain reduction, degenerat vision loss, curbing cancer growth, alleviating the suffering of radiation and chemo therapy, nausea, depression and a list that seems to be getting larger each year as the plants medicinal properties are studied indepth.
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You are nowhere in my league when it comes to arguing why marijuana should be legal. Since learning of my HIV status I have immersed myself into all realms of this plant. It's past, present and future. It is a miracle plant and I truely believe that it has helped greatly in my well being while trying hard not to die of AIDS. Why you and your kind are so blind to what this plant can do is beyond me. I am with JoeyRamone on stating that it is a waste of time to argue with your type. I hope that you may never have to use the medicines that are being derived from the plant. But, if by chance you get cancer, MS, gluacoma or in my book the worst of them all AIDS you will find that this plant is in fact a miracle plant as people such as Montel William can attest to. Open your eyes and see the truth and stop with the rhetoric.

"...And once you're gone, you can't come back
When you're out of the blue and into the black."
Neil Young

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Dude, just take a look at the facts on countries where mj is decrimininalized and THEN come back and try to argue against it. You will find that making weed legal is not the end of society as we know it.

Ok so what exactly that I am looking for? Is the IQ level higher in these states or what. What is it about these countries that is made so great by making weed legal.

The only thing wrong with pot is the same thing that's wrong with alcohol--people misuse it. Both pot and alcohol have documented health benefits, but they go out the window in the face of abuse.

I don't smoke it, because it doesn't like me (makes me withdraw from everything), and I can't stand being around people who are stoned all the time, but there's no denying that for certain people, the benefits far outweigh any potential risk. It's possible to abuse anything, be it drugs, food, sex, and every other weird thing that people become addicted to. But pot, unlike alcohol, is not in and of itself addictive.

Do not let the mythology of "Just Say No" keep you from taking a dispassionate look at the use of marijuana. And be aware that the drug wars have been nothing more than a financial drain on the economy. Not to mention that our jails and prisons are full of people who really don't belong there, while others who do walk around free.

http://www.mpp.org/

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