ReBirth 0 #26 November 25, 2005 Much more bleeding from a stab wound than a bullet. The bullet partially cauterizes the wound, plus it's more of a puncture wound, which don't bleed as easily. Knife wounds cut the flesh and arteries and cause a lot more bleeding. All things being equal, I'd rather be shot with a small caliber handgun than stabbed with a good blade. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
mnealtx 0 #27 November 25, 2005 Oh yeah, definitely!! I had a friend that bought a pair of 25 caliber Raven pistols for him and his wife, and asked me if I thought he'd made a good choice. I replied "If you shot me with one of those......" "....and I ever found out about it..." Mike I love you, Shannon and Jim. POPS 9708 , SCR 14706 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Andy9o8 2 #28 November 27, 2005 The story isn't about whether it's wrong to own a gun, or wrong to own 54 guns instead of just a couple, or wrong to be Christian, or wrong to be home-schooled. It's a story that mentions enough coincidences (hm, or are they...?) that one wonders whether there's a correlation: 1. He's a home-schooled Christian 2. He owns 54 guns 3. He's a whack job 4. He's anti-social 5. He murdered his girlfriend's parents OK, here's a really, really un-scientific observation: I know several families that home-school their kids. In my un-scientific opinion, I'd say about 3/4 of them are oddballs. Another un-scientific observation: we all know that gun ownership is more common in the South, and less common up North, right? Now remember that this happened in Pennsylvania, which is in the Northeast where guns are generally less common, but in the rural central part of the state, where guns (especially for hunting) are a bit more common. "Odd-ness" is often measured as "compared to most other people in the same sampling group". When I lived up North, where gun ownership is less common, I knew lots of normal people who owned a couple of guns, but only 2 people who owned huge collections of guns. Both those people happen to be a little bit weird and scary. So the real question is: Coincidence or correlation? Food for thought. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kbordson 8 #29 November 27, 2005 QuoteIt's a story that mentions enough coincidences (hm, or are they...?) that one wonders whether there's a correlation: 1. He's a home-schooled Christian 2. He owns 54 guns 3. He's a whack job 4. He's anti-social 5. He murdered his girlfriend's parents So the real question is: Coincidence or correlation? Food for thought. My thoughts. 1. Home-schooling. I have friends that do it, and I respect that. However, I think that the social interaction and "assimilation" can be missed. If efforts are made to include the child in events and allow exposure to peer groups, then it wouldn't be so bad. But if that aspect is not addressed, then the child may not fit in society as well. Postives and Negatives with that... such as it might also make him/her more of a "free thinker" and less of a "sheep." Personally, however, I don't think I would home-school my children. I might be "smart enough," but teachers (especially when it gets up to HS level) have specialized training in their field and I would consider that a benefit. Christian... shouldn't predispose someone to murder, in fact, if he was a true believer, he would be less inclined to murder her parents - the whole Ten Commandments thing... remember. 2. So what he owned 54 firearms? That, in and of itself is not an indication of "crazy." As I stated before, it's not the ownership of 1 or 50 or 500. It's the fact that he used even ONE to kill that makes it illegal and wrong. There are multiple reasons for ownership of firearms besides to possibly kill future inlaws - such as hunting, collecting, competitive sport, investment, inheritance, protection. 3. "whack job" - not really DSM criteria, but it would be interesting to know more about his psyche. What personality traits did he have? Why did her parents reject him as a suitor? Were they "overly protective", or did they see some pathologic tendencies? Does he have a history of abusing pets/animals? 4. "Anti-social" - again, need more info. 5. This is the only real crime. And all the questions and comments that will arise over the next few weeks/months over who is to blame and how the system "failed him" might never get to the root. What are the "causes"? What are the "correlations"? Can this be prevented in the future by outlawing home schooling? More government restriction on firearmes ownership? Or are some people just more unstable and sometimes bad things happen? I have my theory. What's yours? Karen Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,113 #30 November 27, 2005 I teach at an engineering school. Home schooled kids are usually very good at classwork and at working independently. They usually suck at any team projects. There are exceptions, of course, but that is my general observation.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites