Thoughts on Fox's Ad refusal....

[TheAnvil 0]

Saw this article and found it interesting. Anybody have any thoughts on this?

Part of me says that stations should NOT air political ads that are blatantly false. Another part of me says 'why turn down paid advertising? The truthfulness of the content is a reflection on and the responsibility of the advertiser.'

Interesting.

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[JohnnyD 0]

Fox is a business, first and foremost. I think they stand the chance of alienating or aggravating their core base of advertising revenue if they run that ad. They would seem to have a lot more to lose than gain if they run the ad. Easy business decision, imo.

[likearock 2]

Don't remember them being overly concerned with truth when it came to the Swift boat ads.

[quade 4]

It's their business and they can air or not air whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't violate normal election rules, which this doesn't appear to do.

THAT SAID, if they refuse to run the ad, they (and their supporters) really need to come to grips with the fact that Fox News really does have a blatant political agenda.

Now, I know what some folks are going to say, that so does CBS and a host of others, but if you look at the wide variety left, right and center of reporting on all the other news outlets (including NPR) and compare what you see to Fox News, it then becomes -quite- appearant how far to the right Fox News slants almost all of their coverage of -everything-.

Fox News is a TOOL of corporate control of America.

Fox News is neither fair nor balanced.

Fox News scares the hell out of me. Not because I'm a "left leaning liberal from California", but because first and foremost I'm just another average guy in the middle class that has less and less control over my life because corporate America is taking over our country.

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[kallend 2,107]

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Fox is a business, first and foremost. I think they stand the chance of alienating or aggravating their core base of advertising revenue if they run that ad. They would seem to have a lot more to lose than gain if they run the ad. Easy business decision, imo.

Agreed - it's a business decision, pure and simple.

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[kelpdiver 2]

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THAT SAID, if they refuse to run the ad, they (and their supporters) really need to come to grips with the fact that Fox News really does have a blatant political agenda.

I think JohnnyD pegged it better. It's about not pissing off the viewership. True or not, they perceive the other stations as the tools of socialist America, Fox doesn't want to join that group.

I don't expect the group really wanted Fox to say yes, either. Spending ad dollars there is like pissing into the wind. I suspect they were angling for free publicity, and they got it.

[jenfly00 0]

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Fox is a business, first and foremost. I think they stand the chance of alienating or aggravating their core base of advertising revenue if they run that ad. They would seem to have a lot more to lose than gain if they run the ad. Easy business decision, imo.

Agreed. They make their money selling the 'flag' to the new patriots. Accepting the ad would hurt business.

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[masterblaster72 0]

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It's their business and they can air or not air whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't violate normal election rules, which this doesn't appear to do.

THAT SAID, if they refuse to run the ad, they (and their supporters) really need to come to grips with the fact that Fox News really does have a blatant political agenda.

Now, I know what some folks are going to say, that so does CBS and a host of others, but if you look at the wide variety left, right and center of reporting on all the other news outlets (including NPR) and compare what you see to Fox News, it then becomes -quite- appearant how far to the right Fox News slants almost all of their coverage of -everything-.

Fox News is a TOOL of corporate control of America.

Fox News is neither fair nor balanced.

Fox News scares the hell out of me. Not because I'm a "left leaning liberal from California", but because first and foremost I'm just another average guy in the middle class that has less and less control over my life because corporate America is taking over our country.

Damn straight.

Be humble, ask questions, listen, learn, follow the golden rule, talk when necessary, and know when to shut the fuck up.

[Gravitymaster 0]

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It's their business and they can air or not air whatever the hell they want as long as it doesn't violate normal election rules, which this doesn't appear to do.

THAT SAID, if they refuse to run the ad, they (and their supporters) really need to come to grips with the fact that Fox News really does have a blatant political agenda.

Now, I know what some folks are going to say, that so does CBS and a host of others, but if you look at the wide variety left, right and center of reporting on all the other news outlets (including NPR) and compare what you see to Fox News, it then becomes -quite- appearant how far to the right Fox News slants almost all of their coverage of -everything-.

Fox News is a TOOL of corporate control of America.

Fox News is neither fair nor balanced.

Fox News scares the hell out of me. Not because I'm a "left leaning liberal from California", but because first and foremost I'm just another average guy in the middle class that has less and less control over my life because corporate America is taking over our country.

Yeah, better to have all corporations owned by the people.

Ooops! That's right, corporations are owned by "the People". I can't wait to take over thru my stocks.

[jdfreefly 1]

Did any of you RTFM?

from the article, the add claimed:
Alito has ruled to make it easier for corporations to discriminate ... even voted to approve strip search of a 10-year-old girl.

The true facts of both cases have a different ring to them when read without the left wing tilt.

I think we should applaud them for requiring adds be more based in truth.

When they don't lend the same protection to Hillary Clinton in 2008, and I'm sure they won't, then we should fry them.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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Agreed. They make their money selling the 'flag' to the new patriots. Accepting the ad would hurt business.

The recent CNN incident where they flashed a big X on screen during Cheney's speech would be just a funny joke, right? Nah, no bias there.

[akarunway 1]

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[jenfly00 0]

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Agreed. They make their money selling the 'flag' to the new patriots. Accepting the ad would hurt business.

The recent CNN incident where they flashed a big X on screen during Cheney's speech would be just a funny joke, right? Nah, no bias there.

Is everything a dicotomy for you? Of course all businesses make decisions to max their profit. We just happened to be talking about this one. Of course that might deny you occasional expression of your ardent desire to scream 'liberal bias' and 'democrat' on occasion.

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[Gravitymaster 0]

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Agreed. They make their money selling the 'flag' to the new patriots. Accepting the ad would hurt business.

The recent CNN incident where they flashed a big X on screen during Cheney's speech would be just a funny joke, right? Nah, no bias there.

Is everything a dicotomy for you? Of course all businesses make decisions to max their profit. We just happened to be talking about this one. Of course that might deny you occasional expression of your ardent desire to scream 'liberal bias' and 'democrat' on occasion.

I was just thinking the same thing.

[jenfly00 0]

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Agreed. They make their money selling the 'flag' to the new patriots. Accepting the ad would hurt business.

The recent CNN incident where they flashed a big X on screen during Cheney's speech would be just a funny joke, right? Nah, no bias there.

Is everything a dicotomy for you? Of course all businesses make decisions to max their profit. We just happened to be talking about this one. Of course that might deny you occasional expression of your ardent desire to scream 'liberal bias' and 'democrat' on occasion.

I was just thinking the same thing.

OMG!!! You actually did go with the 'I know you are but what am I?" response. Sheeeeit!

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[quade 4]

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Yeah, better to have all corporations owned by the people.

Ooops! That's right, corporations are owned by "the People". I can't wait to take over thru my stocks.

There is a small, (very, very small) percentage of stocks being held by the average joe. Sure there are individual stock holders, like myself, but the amount of control those individuals have over the corporations is MINISCULE.

Let's say we take all the stock I and every other stockhold who's personal net worth is under a very generous $1,000,000 and pool our votes against say, Disney, or Time Warner, or Fox News Corp. . . . exactly how much influence do you think we'd really have.

Lemme tell ya . . . not enough, in and of itself, to change the head of the company. In fact, in the case of Disney, you could have all the shares of the family that started the company AND all us peons and you'd still have a difficult time.

Nope. Corporations AREN'T owned by "the people". Corporations are owned by OTHER CORPORATIONS that have a bigger interest than "the people".

The closest we get to corporations owned by "the people" are where the majority stockholders are the workers themselves like Delta Airlines, but even there they don't really have control (and I'm almost sure a person could make funny comments about "Communism" and "Socialism" there too), but the reality is it's the Corporation that controls what happens and the employee/shareholders get "laid off" (newspeak for "fired").

Yeah, that really sounds like they own it huh?

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[mnealtx 0]

How far to the right Fox is slanted? In comparison to the other networks, it probably seems pretty far...especially if you're more toward the left, yourself.

It's sort of how conservatives see CNN/ABC/NBC, et al... slanted way left.

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[lawrocket 3]

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if they refuse to run the ad, they (and their supporters) really need to come to grips with the fact that Fox News really does have a blatant political agenda.

Hmmm. If I genuinely thought that a statement about another person was factually false, I would not be publishing it to a wide audience. IT opens the door to some things.

I also don't believe that the political agenda is so blatant.

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if you look at the wide variety left, right and center of reporting on all the other news outlets (including NPR) and compare what you see to Fox News, it then becomes -quite- appearant how far to the right Fox News slants almost all of their coverage of -everything-.

Some examples of "left, right and center?" IT's always difficult to decide a political slant of one organization by comparing it to others. I could paraphrase it by this: "if you look at a variety left, right and center of governments in the 20th and 21st Centuries on all other countries (including the USSR, China, Russia and North Korea) and compare what you see in Canada, it then becomes -quite- appearant how far to the right Canada slants almost all of their governance of -everything-."

Objectively, Canada is left leaning. But compare it to other major countries (taking out minor ones) and it can be painted as a right-leaning country.

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Fox News is a TOOL of corporate control of America.

As is every other news outlet. Like it or not, money talks. And CBS is in the business of making money, as is CNN. And they make money by selling commercials. On the national scene, these commercials are paid for by corporations. They also make money by product placement. CNN is in no way exempt from this.

They are ALL tools of corporations. In fact, they all ARE corporations.

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Fox News is neither fair nor balanced.

So is Fox News therefore "unfair and unbalanced?" What about CNN or CBS or NBC? What about NPR? Are they "fair" or "balanced?"

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I'm just another average guy in the middle class that has less and less control over my life because corporate America is taking over our country.

I'm not scared by Fox News or CNN or any other organization like that. I don't think that any of them are stripping away my freedoms. I do, however, find that our governments scare the hell outta me. CNN doesn't strip my freedom. They just try to editorialize the stripping of the freedoms. Just like Fox News.

It is our governments that are taking our freedoms away. Fox News doesn't sell out private homeowners through eminent domain. Fox News doesn't pass ordinances taking guns. Fox News doesn't detain anyone at Gitmo. Fox News doesn't limit free speech. Hell, Fox News probably isn't responsible for your getting laid off at work, either.

Fox News is simply an entity out there presenting news in a different way from eveyone else. It's what separates them from CNN, NBC, ABC and CBS. They OWN their viewership demographic. The other demographic is diluted.

That doesn't scare me one bit.

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[quade 4]

Nice rebuttal statements sir. Very good right up until this;

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It is our governments that are taking our freedoms away. Fox News doesn't sell out private homeowners through eminent domain. Fox News doesn't pass ordinances taking guns. Fox News doesn't detain anyone at Gitmo. Fox News doesn't limit free speech. Hell, Fox News probably isn't responsible for your getting laid off at work, either.

The problem is that Fox News justifies[/] a lot of these actions. Control the media and you control the thought processes of the masses. Repeat a catch phrase often enough and people (stupid people but people none the less) begin to believe it.

Have a direct conduit between the government and a media outlet and it's dangerous as hell.

quade -
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[rehmwa 2]

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Have a direct conduit between the government and a media outlet and it's dangerous as hell.

Nuts - Lawrocket nailed it.

Will you say the exact same thing about CNN, CBS, etc when the dems get back in control?

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[Channman 2]

>Don't remember them being overly concerned with truth when it came to the Swift boat ads.

At least concerned enough to tell the truth concerning the Swift Boat Vets.

[Channman 2]

Maybe you and quade should start your own business. No better way to have control over your own lives, time and money than running your own business.

Then you can credit your success or blame the guy in the mirror if it does'nt pan out.

[quade 4]

There are some business that can be started and run by a single person. There are some businesses that can't.

The business I'm in actually can be started and run by a single person and I've done it for about 2 years; television engineering consulting (and various related technologies!). One of the more difficult businesses to break into as well.

It's not like you can just set up a shop and folks will wander in.

quade -
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[ReBirth 0]

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Ooops! That's right, corporations are owned by "the People". I can't wait to take over thru my stocks.

You have preferred shares, do you? Do a lot of voting on corporate issues for the stocks you hold?

[Gravitymaster 0]

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Ooops! That's right, corporations are owned by "the People". I can't wait to take over thru my stocks.

You have preferred shares, do you? Do a lot of voting on corporate issues for the stocks you hold?

Nope. Mostly Common Stock.

edited to add: also some convertible preferred shares.