kallend 2,150 #26 November 23, 2005 Quotei agree....... i wish i had a teacher like that when i was 14 I was commenting ONLY on the statement about men who get aroused by attractive women with the implied suggestion that they are perverts. I think adults, either sex, should not take advantage of children, either sex.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
TrophyHusband 0 #27 November 23, 2005 there should not be a double standard, however, i'm surprised that the other boys that were banging her didn't gang up and kick the kid's ass who ratted her out. honestly, i would have been happy as hell to be banging her at 14, or 18, or 25. not now though, i'm married. "Your scrotum is quite nice" - Skymama www.kjandmegan.com Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #28 November 23, 2005 She has a lot of history along these lines. It seems to be an undertone in her life. A g/f in high school that caused her parents to have her transferred. Bikini model pics in magazines. Nothing wrong with being an attention-hound. It's lots of fun. Unfortunately, she is playing the pretty little victim here. Her tactic of playing the game has once again proved her correct. We'll be seeing her in Playboy in the next 6 months I'm sure. This is typical of the justice system though. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gravitymaster 0 #29 November 23, 2005 QuoteWe'll be seeing her in Playboy in the next 6 months I'm sure. I'm sure the deal has already been made. I'd say the January issue, while the topic is still hot. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
happythoughts 0 #30 November 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteWe'll be seeing her in Playboy in the next 6 months I'm sure. I'm sure the deal has already been made. I'd say the January issue, while the topic is still hot. She'll be able to list her new "occupation" as part of her rehabilitation into society. Once again, a productive citizen. This is pure supposition though. She's recently become heavily involved in religion and has had a miraculous jailhouse conversion. Perhaps she'll write a book on relationships. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #31 November 23, 2005 I wasn't implying that men who are aroused by attractive women are perverts. I was suggesting that the defense would have a much easier time finding a sympathetic jury in this case than they would if it were a male teacher with a female student. Its human nature. The prosecution offered a plea in what should have been a slam dunk case because they knew they could lose in front of a jury. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #32 November 23, 2005 QuoteI hope this case is cited as precedent the next time some male teacher does somebody's daughter (hopefully a judge's daughter). NO double standard! Adults fucking kids is wrong. Yes, adults fuckng kids is wrong, BUT the reason there is a double standard (and always will be, IMO) is that a woman having sex with a 14 year old boy is NOT the same as a man having sex with a 14 year old girl. Simply put, the boy cannot get pregnant. Imagine the scenario where a 14 year old girl was impregnated by a man. The two scenarios cannot be compared. The risk level with the man/girl scenario is much so higher. It goes further than that, though. In the case of the boy and woman it is much closer to what is considered "normal" in this culture. I'll admit that much of my bias is cultural. I just can't get past the idea of a male teacher having sex with a 14 year old girl student being completely over the line. Part, of my bias, though, is looking back at my own life and wondering how something like that (minus the police involvement and publicity) would have made my life different. I can easily imagine a scenario where it would have been a case of a woman gently leading me into manhood and helping me skip some very awkward times. In my mind that is nothing like rape. I doubt seriously that the teacher had any kind of altruistic motivations in this case, but I think it would be at least plausible to consider that she was doing the right thing for the wrong reason. Not being a woman, I can't look back and imagine what it would have been like for me as a girl/young woman, but I just can't imagine any case where I would think it anywhere in the same universe as acceptable. As for psychological damage incurred, I don't know and can only speculate. I think it could go either way. In this case, I suspect all the negative attention generated may be more damaging than the inappropriate relationship. The same thing? No. Not even close, IMO. Double standard, yes--because the two scenarios just are NOT the same. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tonto 1 #33 November 23, 2005 QuoteSimply put, the boy cannot get pregnant. Imagine the scenario where a 14 year old girl was impregnated by a man. The two scenarios cannot be compared. The risk level with the man/girl scenario is much so higher. You know, when I read this, in a country where 1 in 5 people are HIV Positive, I can't agree. For a 14 year old boy to have to accept responsibility for possibly contracting a fatal disease from someone in a position of trust is not fair. Many, many people in the US lag somewhat in awareness of HIV and it's consequence. Think about it from the point of view of dying. Sometimes that hot nookie really doesn't seem that hot anymore. There's a lot more to sex than pregnancy. tIt's the year of the Pig. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #34 November 23, 2005 QuoteQuoteSimply put, the boy cannot get pregnant. Imagine the scenario where a 14 year old girl was impregnated by a man. The two scenarios cannot be compared. The risk level with the man/girl scenario is much so higher. You know, when I read this, in a country where 1 in 5 people are HIV Positive, I can't agree. For a 14 year old boy to have to accept responsibility for possibly contracting a fatal disease from someone in a position of trust is not fair. Many, many people in the US lag somewhat in awareness of HIV and it's consequence. Think about it from the point of view of dying. Sometimes that hot nookie really doesn't seem that hot anymore. There's a lot more to sex than pregnancy. t I cannot disagree with what you are saying, but that is an issue that applies to ALL sexual contact, and is not specific to this type of situation. We all know that the risk of STDs can be minimized. If the risk of contracting an STD were the primary consideration in sex, then nobody in their right mind would have sex. Again, I agree with what you are saying, but I do not consider it a significant issue in this case. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Botellines 0 #35 November 23, 2005 QuoteI *think* the cousin was 15 at the time, so I doubt they would prosecute him. They could charge her with another count of "lewd behaviour" though. And there is a reason we have a legal age for consent in this country. Legally, it was rape. Besides, how do you know no damage was done to him? How do you define or determine damage? And how do you know no coercion was involved? Coercion can be subtle especially when you are dealing with children. I believe that legally it would be statutory rape, not just rape. For it to be rape, he would have to be unwilling to do it. I don´t know wether damage was done to him or not. It is just a wild guess for we don´t have any psichological report that proves either way. Notice that i am not advocating for her to go unpunished, i just prefer to put this into perspective. When you are a 14 yers old male, you don´t need to be coerced to want to have sex, believe me. The adult is the one who should have said no, but very likely, the kid was more than willing to do her. A 14 years old kid, i wouldn´t call him a child. His body is ready for sex, he thinks he is ready for sex, he maybe even have had sex before. he is just not ready to take full responsability if something goes wrong in sex (pregnancy, HIV, etc). If nothing of the above went wrong, i bet he will be now bragging to his friends about what he did. And the cousin should be charged for reckless driving. I bet he was not looking at the road... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
popsjumper 2 #36 November 23, 2005 Quote...I suspect all the negative attention generated may be more damaging than the inappropriate relationship. I think you hit the nail on the head here...the kid most likely was having no problems at all until the cops, the DA and the news media got involved.... At 16, I had a "thing" with a 22-year old neighbor - at her instigation. We had a blast until the kid across the street saw us and blabbed to her husband...fortunately for me, he was in a position that inspired him to not get the cops involved....(whew!) I can only imagine what it would have been like having to go through what this kid is having to deal with....My reality and yours are quite different. I think we're all Bozos on this bus. Falcon5232, SCS8170, SCSA353, POPS9398, DS239 Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
kallend 2,150 #37 November 23, 2005 QuoteI wasn't implying that men who are aroused by attractive women are perverts. I was suggesting that the defense would have a much easier time finding a sympathetic jury in this case than they would if it were a male teacher with a female student. Its human nature. The prosecution offered a plea in what should have been a slam dunk case because they knew they could lose in front of a jury. That's good, I'd hate it if you viewed me as a pervert. Dirty old man I can deal with.... The only sure way to survive a canopy collision is not to have one. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #38 November 23, 2005 Dirty Old Man- you got it! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites Channman 2 #39 November 23, 2005 Me miss type beautiful, and meat. That government education is catching up to me, need more home school training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites livendive 8 #40 November 23, 2005 QuotePart, of my bias, though, is looking back at my own life and wondering how something like that (minus the police involvement and publicity) would have made my life different. I can easily imagine a scenario where it would have been a case of a woman gently leading me into manhood and helping me skip some very awkward times. In my mind that is nothing like rape. And if it were a male teacher helping you along the path to "manhood"? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites freethefly 6 #41 November 23, 2005 Many, many people in the US lag somewhat in awareness of HIV and it's consequence. Think about it from the point of view of dying. Sometimes that hot nookie really doesn't seem that hot anymore. There's a lot more to sex than pregnancy. t I was going to say something along the same line. As someone living with HIV I am amazed how unaware most people are about how dangerous HIV is. A large number of the U.S. population is unaware of their status and this has caused an onslaught of newly infected. What if LaFave was infected? What about all the other teachers or any adult who prey on young boys and girls? They put these children in great risk. My opinion is anyone who preys on children should be given a life sentence without parole. They are destroying the childhood of their victim, these predators should be shown no mercy. No justice was served here which is all to typical in our courts. Her lawyer stated that she was far to pretty to be put in prison and it is appearant that the idiot D.A. agreed. No doubt she will strike again."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Channman 2 #39 November 23, 2005 Me miss type beautiful, and meat. That government education is catching up to me, need more home school training. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
livendive 8 #40 November 23, 2005 QuotePart, of my bias, though, is looking back at my own life and wondering how something like that (minus the police involvement and publicity) would have made my life different. I can easily imagine a scenario where it would have been a case of a woman gently leading me into manhood and helping me skip some very awkward times. In my mind that is nothing like rape. And if it were a male teacher helping you along the path to "manhood"? Blues, Dave"I AM A PROFESSIONAL EXTREME ATHLETE!" (drink Mountain Dew) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
freethefly 6 #41 November 23, 2005 Many, many people in the US lag somewhat in awareness of HIV and it's consequence. Think about it from the point of view of dying. Sometimes that hot nookie really doesn't seem that hot anymore. There's a lot more to sex than pregnancy. t I was going to say something along the same line. As someone living with HIV I am amazed how unaware most people are about how dangerous HIV is. A large number of the U.S. population is unaware of their status and this has caused an onslaught of newly infected. What if LaFave was infected? What about all the other teachers or any adult who prey on young boys and girls? They put these children in great risk. My opinion is anyone who preys on children should be given a life sentence without parole. They are destroying the childhood of their victim, these predators should be shown no mercy. No justice was served here which is all to typical in our courts. Her lawyer stated that she was far to pretty to be put in prison and it is appearant that the idiot D.A. agreed. No doubt she will strike again."...And once you're gone, you can't come back When you're out of the blue and into the black." Neil Young Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Bigwallmaster 0 #42 November 23, 2005 As if that's not bad enough, then I read, "To place an attractive young woman in that kind of hell hole is like putting a piece of raw meat in with the lions." Sorry, but I'm pissed off beyond words... I'm getting a beer. Nobody screw with me... Jeff ------------------------------------------------------------ Can't blame em. . .she is hot!! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
waltappel 1 #43 November 23, 2005 QuoteQuotePart, of my bias, though, is looking back at my own life and wondering how something like that (minus the police involvement and publicity) would have made my life different. I can easily imagine a scenario where it would have been a case of a woman gently leading me into manhood and helping me skip some very awkward times. In my mind that is nothing like rape. And if it were a male teacher helping you along the path to "manhood"? Blues, Dave If I were gay, maybe that would be ok--I really don't know. Not being gay, though, if that had happened to me it certainly would have been a case of rape. Walt Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
JoeyRamone 0 #44 November 23, 2005 if she was my teacher i would of banged her for sure. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Guest #45 November 25, 2005 In the control room the other day, were were singing Van Halen's "Hot for Teacher" when the TV showed the story. mh ."The mouse does not know life until it is in the mouth of the cat." Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
dmcoco84 5 #46 November 25, 2005 That kid is the luckiest mother fucking on the planet!!! I wish that was my teacher and I was sleeping with her at 14. That would be sweeeet!!! "I'M HOTTTTT FOR TEACHER!!!!" Hell yea!! 3 years house arrest, interesting... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ReBirth 0 #47 November 25, 2005 You guys looking at the same pics I am? Looks like she's hiding it pretty good, but she's got a wide load going on below the waist there. Looks like a weeble. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jeiber 0 #48 December 2, 2005 I should have kept up with my own thread! Don't get me wrong, I'd bang her at 14 (or any other age) as well! She is pretty hot... I'm actually jealous of that kid! My issue isn't so much with the act itself - in some cultures and times, it was normal for people to actually be married at a much younger age than 14. Although I think it's morally wrong for the teacher to take advantage of her position, and betray the trust society has put in her as an educator, my disgust in the judicial system's (legal) double standard overshadows my opinion on morality. What does this say about our society? Have we learned nothing over the past half century of women's liberation? Obviously not. If I were a woman, I'd be shaking my head in disgust. This ruling clearly shows that even the judicial system expects less from women in terms of social responsibility, and accordingly, the punishment is not nearly as severe. Think she'll be back in court for a repeat offense? I don't think so... I'm betting that not only does walk free, but she profits from her notoriety (even though she can't publish a book).Shhh... you hear that sound? That's the sound of nobody caring! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
tigra 0 #49 December 2, 2005 I think the double standard goes beyond the legal system, since the jury needs to come from regular citizens. The prosecution took what they could get with the family's OK. If they felt confident about taking the case to an impartial jury, they would have done it, right? Yes, its wrong and the defense's claim that she's too pretty for jail is outrageous. How about the woman in Canada who served only 12 years for participating (with her husband) in the rape and murder of at least three teenage girls, one of them her sister. The judge just lifted all restrictions from her parole. No checking in with authorities, no parole officer, no registering as a sex offender, no restrictions on future employment involving children. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
